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Break up of United Kingdom a serious possibility.

Chagos said:
Indeed not.

But a better chance than Turkey. Or a faster chance than England, should it finally declare and later wish to rejoin.
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Northern Ireland will never leave with that possibility hanging over them. I also questions how many Scot's will be happy to adopt the Euro.
 
Higgins86 said:
They might vote to leave the Union but they have no guarantee at EU membership.
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Just to remind you, if they do it in the 30-or-so months remaining before the UK ceases to be a member then they will not have to reapply for membership, since they will not have left.

I see a lot of media here, BBC in particular, paying a lot of attention to what the 'Spanish prime minister' Mariano Rajoy opined today. What they failed to mention is that Mariano Rajoy is NOT the Spanish prime minister any more. He is the interim, caretaker prime minister and hence has no authority to say what the Spanish government will and will not agree to. His party has just won the greatest number of seats in parliament, but he has no majority and no chance of creating a coalition, hence no chance of forming a government. If an opposing coalition takes power I suspect they'll take a very different attitude.

I'm very surprised at the BBC's sloppy reporting.
 
Absentglare said:
Egalitarian- i value what's best for society more than the ability to dictate to others.
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:( given that you are upset at the loss of the ability to dictate to others, austerity not.

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Andalublue said:
Just to remind you, if they do it in the 30-or-so months remaining before the UK ceases to be a member then they will not have to reapply for membership, since they will not have left.

I see a lot of media here, BBC in particular, paying a lot of attention to what the 'Spanish prime minister' Mariano Rajoy opined today. What they failed to mention is that Mariano Rajoy is NOT the Spanish prime minister any more. He is the interim, caretaker prime minister and hence has no authority to say what the Spanish government will and will not agree to. His party has just won the greatest number of seats in parliament, but he has no majority and no chance of creating a coalition, hence no chance of forming a government. If an opposing coalition takes power I suspect they'll take a very different attitude.

I'm very surprised at the BBC's sloppy reporting.
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I do not believe the EU wants to let the secession genie out of the bottle.
 
Andalublue said:
Just to remind you, if they do it in the 30-or-so months remaining before the UK ceases to be a member then they will not have to reapply for membership, since they will not have left.

I see a lot of media here, BBC in particular, paying a lot of attention to what the 'Spanish prime minister' Mariano Rajoy opined today. What they failed to mention is that Mariano Rajoy is NOT the Spanish prime minister any more. He is the interim, caretaker prime minister and hence has no authority to say what the Spanish government will and will not agree to. His party has just won the greatest number of seats in parliament, but he has no majority and no chance of creating a coalition, hence no chance of forming a government. If an opposing coalition takes power I suspect they'll take a very different attitude.

I'm very surprised at the BBC's sloppy reporting.
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Frankly, it's an angle I hadn't even thought of myself until you brought it up.

As to Rajoy and his bunch, yeah, a lame duck. And one with a considerable longer experience at it too.
 
Jack Hays said:
On the contrary. They can advise the Scots they cannot enter on their own.
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They can advise anything, it still doesn't change the basics. If Scotland is already out of the UK by the time England (what it then would be) finally gets off the pot, how do you refute, membership on grounds of it having been granted to an entity that no longer exists and is leaving (or has left) anyway? That'll really keep the legal beagles in bread for a long time.

But it's all speculation anyway at this point, loads of risks involved for Scotland in a roulette that holds no guarantee of turning out to be the Russian version.
 
Chagos said:
They can advise anything, it still doesn't change the basics. If Scotland is already out of the UK by the time England (what it then would be) finally gets off the pot, how do you refute, membership on grounds of it having been granted to an entity that no longer exists and is leaving (or has left) anyway? That'll really keep the legal beagles in bread for a long time.

But it's all speculation anyway at this point, loads of risks involved for Scotland in a roulette that holds no guarantee of turning out to be the Russian version.
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The EU is free to refuse membership as it sees fit.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Spain has already said they'd veto it. And France.

Brexit: Spain and France oppose Scotland EU talks - BBC News
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They haven't actually vetoed membership (although they well may for issues already stated when things become more concrete), they're against there being any preliminary talks. Read that as promises.

Applies to the whole EU right now, I'd presume. This isn't the time for any of this.

Just imagine in next UK elections the EU is put on a party's ticket that promises in its campaign it won't invoke "50 and that party gets the required votes (back door 2nd referendum after all). For one thing there'd finally be a mandate and the rest of Europe groping around blindly what with all the egg on face. Not to mention Scotland.

Fantasising for sure but after last week I hold anything to be possible.
 
cpwill said:
:( given that you are upset at the loss of the ability to dictate to others, austerity not.

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I am not upset at the loss of ability to dictate.

I am upset that these people are losing sight of what membership really gives them- it gives them free leverage in negotiation. The EU isn't a fascist regime, it is, essentially, an organization that coordinates EU interests.

Britain simply doesn't want to bother to coordinate with the EU member states. In that case, they will pay a price for their unwillingness to associate.
 
Absentglare said:
I am not upset at the loss of ability to dictate.

I am upset that these people are losing sight of what membership really gives them- it gives them free leverage in negotiation. The EU isn't a fascist regime, it is, essentially, an organization that coordinates EU interests.

Britain simply doesn't want to bother to coordinate with the EU member states. In that case, they will pay a price for their unwillingness to associate.
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Oh, they are still more than free to coordinate. That's called trade, and sometimes treaties. They simply can no longer be dictated to.

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cpwill said:
Oh, they are still more than free to coordinate. That's called trade, and sometimes treaties. They simply can no longer be dictated to.

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They were not dictated to. That's why they continued to use the pound shilling instead of the euro.

What you're applauding is, at best, a symbolic gesture that undermines virtually all of their bargaining positions with Europe.
 
Absentglare said:
They were not dictated to
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[emoji38] no country was overridden and voted down more.

What you're applauding is, at best, a symbolic gesture that undermines virtually all of their bargaining positions with Europe.
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Yeah. I'm sure Germany is eager to lose one of if not their biggest customer :roll:

The last time Britain functioned on her own, she ruled 1/4th of the world. I suspect she'll do alright.


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cpwill said:
[emoji38] no country was overridden and voted down more.



Yeah. I'm sure Germany is eager to lose one of if not their biggest customer :roll:

The last time Britain functioned on her own, she ruled 1/4th of the world. I suspect she'll do alright.


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No country was overriden and voted down more ...? That, even if it's true, is ridiculously misleading.

"Official EU voting records* show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellows Sara Hagemann and Simon Hix."

"First, EU laws pass through several stages of negotiations in the Council and the European Parliament.

So the UK government’s ability to influence policies doesn’t only occur through voting—which is a ‘Yes’ or a ‘No’ situation—but also in negotiations over the actual text of a draft law.

Many accounts have shown that the UK diplomatic service has—at least historically—been very skilled in such negotiations over important laws."

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/
 
cpwill said:
The last time Britain functioned on her own, she ruled 1/4th of the world. I suspect she'll do alright.
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By the time Britain joined the EU it had lost every single 'jewel' in its crown. An American getting nostalgic over the British Empire is too funny.:lamo
 
Chagos said:
Not a question of wanting or not, there'd be not much it could do about it.
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same way with the world and america... seceding is coming if liberalism does not stop.. they have all the power with it being more men.. the military and law enforcement WELCOME TO THE CONSERVATIVE STATES OF AMERICA...............
 
Andalublue said:
By the time Britain joined the EU it had lost every single 'jewel' in its crown. An American getting nostalgic over the British Empire is too funny.:lamo
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The problem isn't really so much posed by any non-Brit getting involved in this type of nostalgia, it's the large faction of "aboriginals":mrgreen: that still base their decision making on their own fairyland fantasies and leave reality snarling at the roadside.

Because it's not simply just barking and so the rule of it not biting either doesn't apply.
 
Euro Union nation has LOST TRILLIONS with MERKELS Horrendous error.. will she be thrown in jail?

each and every day since the vote.. Uk stock has beat france and germany each day with germany the worst each day

canada will benefit greatly from this as well as america with trading strong with UK.. same with austrailia

for the WEEK after the vote.... UK GAINED 2.6%....all the rest had a minus... France 5.1%.. Germany 5.6%..Spain 8.1%..Italy 9.8%.. Ireland 11.7%...Greece 12.3%... and each of the nordic states in the euro union lost and these will vote to secede from the union and the reason why they lost less..

WHAT a MONSTROUS ERROR by MERKEL...!!!

and how the very young voted shows this issue was a wisdom test for voters.. 75% of 18-25 voted to remain in union which means the others more experienced and wiser voted in a landslide to exit

and the stock markets proves who are the wiinners and losers and also shows if you let unwise people vote a nation WILL BE THE LOSER.. so soon there will be a world wide wisdom test for voters and no more liberalism..

THIS also will bring te conservative states to separate from the liberals states.... WELCOME TO THE CONSERVATIVE STATES OF AMERICA
 
PeteEU said:
The main trending searches in the UK (from what I undestand) is... What is the EU followed by How to get Irish citizenship...
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The main trending searches from Wales are "double headed dildos", "gonorrhea" and "Kit Harington". I'm not sure what that means, either.
 
Ikari said:
The British took it.

But all this "the UK is going to break up" stuff I think is a bit hybolic at this point. They just had a vote, the UK is still in the EU today. Maybe Parliament adheres to the vote to leave, and then we're still looking at years for the UK to leave. And who knows, in that time maybe the UK has another vote and elects to stay.

We dont know at this point. And then the whole UK will break up...maybe there are votes in the distant future, but it's unlikely to actually break apart. And London particularly wont break away.

This is all Chicken Little.nonsense by people reacting emotionally rather than logically. It's all going to get sorted in the end.
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You have a good point. The UK could end up using the referendum vote to extract some concessions from the EU and end up remaining in it.
 
LowDown said:
The main trending searches from Wales are "double headed dildos", "gonorrhea" and "Kit Harington". I'm not sure what that means, either.
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Well at least that is different than the usual searches of "Sheep group sex" and "can I make a sheep pregnant".. :)
 
LowDown said:
You have a good point. The UK could end up using the referendum vote to extract some concessions from the EU and end up remaining in it.
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Like when someone says "I broke his fist when I hit it with my jaw?"
 
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