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Nationalism and hatred Won in Britain Yesterday

lol...more or less a case of human nature. Liberals never seem to understand the importance tribalism plays in making people tick.

Ideologies commonly have that problem. Most of them believe that all people would be happy under one system and only one system. They never consider that there might be a valid reason that people come to different conclusions. They also don't consider for even a moment that people might feel strongly about those conclusions.
 
It was bound to happen. The UK uses the pound and drives on the left in addition to being an island. On top of all that, the EU will probably collapse as soon as 2025 thanks to financial troubles and protectionism caused by syrian refugees.
 
lol...more or less a case of human nature. Liberals never seem to understand the importance tribalism plays in making people tick.

Yes, manipulating man's worst qualities for their own benefit is strictly a Right wing ploy.
 
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It was bound to happen. The UK uses the pound and drives on the left in addition to being an island. On top of all that, the EU will probably collapse as soon as 2025 thanks to financial troubles and protectionism caused by syrian refugees.

I see a break-up of Great Britain as more likely. They will become a shadow of their former greatness and will be renamed just Britain.
 
Of course you abhor freedom of speech, Trump does too. We all need to get in line....or else! Make America Hate again.

Nooo, Freedom of speech is fine...liberal dumb bunny speech...sucks! Trump is not about hate...never was....he's about making this country great again by eliminating douchebag rif raf, welfare leeches and criminals!

obama and liberals, are all about promoting that scum !

They're not going to. What will happen is the national govts will start listening to their electorate more about their feelings about the EU and make some pretty big adjustments and probably revisit some of the treaties.

Feelings? How about the cold hard, logical facts that say the EU is BS just like the UN?

Europe was doing fine before the EU....every country had their sovereignty and history...

The history of mankind is littered with the corpses of the wars fought between "like minded city-states" You can't possibly believe that will be our fate forever, can you?

Our fate is pretty much doomed, if Hillary is elected!

lol...more or less a case of human nature. Liberals never seem to understand the importance tribalism plays in making people tick.

Nope....right over their mush for brains, heads!

The break up of the EU is a good thing. Next we need to disband the UN. No, I am not joking.

I already said this twice today.....and I wasn't joking either!
 
Ideologies commonly have that problem. Most of them believe that all people would be happy under one system and only one system. They never consider that there might be a valid reason that people come to different conclusions. They also don't consider for even a moment that people might feel strongly about those conclusions.

Exactly!

The gun debate is a great case in point. Idealogs want certain hard and fast laws on guns, that pertain to everyone.....but in the majority of the country, they don't have any validity at all.
People like iguanaman and jet, just don't get that.

It was bound to happen. The UK uses the pound and drives on the left in addition to being an island. On top of all that, the EU will probably collapse as soon as 2025 thanks to financial troubles and protectionism caused by syrian refugees.

Yep, instead of following Trumps lead, the dopes take them in....if they are so unhappy with their country, tell the ****ers to go to Saudi Arabia!

Yes, manipulating man's worst qualities for their own benefit is strictly a Right wing ploy.

Another of many lies from you.

Man's BEST Qualities are independence and little use for government. liberals have to depend on Nanny State because they are so weak and jealous of others, who can do it on their own. Now that....is Freedom of Speech!

I see a break-up of Great Britain as more likely. They will become a shadow of their former greatness and will be renamed just Britain.

I don't see that at all....they have been around for a long time.....a lot longer than a bunch of whiny liberal pricks, who try and bash them!

liberalism is a losing proposition...everywhere it's applied.
 
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The history of mankind is littered with the corpses of the wars fought between "like minded city-states" You can't possibly believe that will be our fate forever, can you?

Actually, I believe a review of history illustrates the history of mankind is littered with the corpses of wars fought to protect the like minded within the "city-states".

I believe history further shows the weak haven't faired very well while this has been going on. Obviously, that must be the reason for the creation of city-states for like minded people to be protected in.

I have no reason to believe that will ever change, as there is zero evidence it has ever happened, no matter how much people wring their hands in hopes it might.
 
Ideologies commonly have that problem. Most of them believe that all people would be happy under one system and only one system. They never consider that there might be a valid reason that people come to different conclusions. They also don't consider for even a moment that people might feel strongly about those conclusions.

Amazing too is this lack of "getting it" when you consider how intolerant the people on the Left themselves are when giving consideration to counterpoints, opposing views and differing opinions. You're either on board with their hair-brained schemes or they call you a bigoted hater, if not an outright Nazi. Just check out the thread title for evidence of that.
 
Yes, manipulating man's worst qualities for their own benefit is strictly a Right wing ploy.

As is a governing elite which "knows better" imposing it's will on the people a strictly Left Wing ideology. People voted to Brexit. But, of course, in Left Wing Speak, that means "the idiots were driven by hate" because they could not have possibly made that decision for any other reason.
 
As is a governing elite which "knows better" imposing it's will on the people a strictly Left Wing ideology. People voted to Brexit. But, of course, in Left Wing Speak, that means "the idiots were driven by hate" because they could not have possibly made that decision for any other reason.

What ever they might have been driven by, the vote was against their own best interests and time will show that clearly. Usually that means they were idiots. yes. Sort of like the idiots that voted for Bush twice and Trump voters of course.
 
The people who voted have suffered six years of rightwing government "austerity", cutting benefits, jobseekers allowances, pensions, even the disabled suffered a £30 a week cut on top of being declared fit to work when they were not. All the time to the drumbeat of "foreigners" scapegoated for stealing their jobs, housing, overstretching the NHS and social services (while funding was savagely cut...) European "red tape" actually prevented some of the worst excesses, and provided a safeguard for workers rights and indeed human rights. The right wing of this rightwing government hate such constraints, and began to defect to UKIP.
Cameron offered the "rebels" a referendum as a sop to stem the leaks before the last election, and to everyone's surprise, including Cameron's. they squeaked home to win a second term. The result is the unfolding disaster we see before us.
An electorate fed lies about Europe and immigration for years rejected them, even though the reality is that nothing will change. immigration will continue, since employers need staff to grow, Europe will impose conditions such as freedom of movement for workers for access to their markets. The only difference will be that we'll be paying at least as much for the same relationship except we will be excluded from th decision making.
 
What ever they might have been driven by, the vote was against their own best interests and time will show that clearly. Usually that means they were idiots. yes. Sort of like the idiots that voted for Bush twice and Trump voters of course.

I voted for Bush twice. The alternatives were Al Gore and John Kerry.
 
I voted for Bush twice. The alternatives were Al Gore and John Kerry.

Mickey Mouse would have been better than Bush. He is widely viewed as the worst President in modern history if not all time worst.
 
Not by me he's not. I couldn't vote for Gore because of the campaign finance/phone solicitation scandal. And Kerry? The despicable Hanoi Hall of Famer? Never.
 
As is a governing elite which "knows better" imposing it's will on the people a strictly Left Wing ideology. People voted to Brexit. But, of course, in Left Wing Speak, that means "the idiots were driven by hate" because they could not have possibly made that decision for any other reason.

What matters here is that the British people have spoken. They will have to live with the consequences too, so I wish them well.
 
Mickey Mouse would have been better than Bush. He is widely viewed as the worst President in modern history if not all time worst.

Uh.......no, he's really not. Pretty much nobody except those already pretty far left of center think he was the worst president in modern history, and literally nobody thinks he was the worst of all time.
 
What matters here is that the British people have spoken. They will have to live with the consequences too, so I wish them well.

My hope is that the Europe can avoid another recession, the world economy may survive a turn down in G.B. but if Europe goes too, I'm afraid everyone will suffer. At least the worst of it won't happen until next year or even longer. Political upheavals are nothing like financial ones that can happen overnight.
 
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~ the reality is that nothing will change. immigration will continue, since employers need staff to grow, Europe will impose conditions such as freedom of movement for workers for access to their markets. The only difference will be that we'll be paying at least as much for the same relationship except we will be excluded from th decision making.

I think some of these posts should be copied and pasted or put into a sticky to save us having to keep reminding people. You did however forget that the other difference is the high likelihood the UK will not last 10 more years as "the UK." I am of the strong opinion Scotland will go especially if funds dry up.
 
I really had no real position on this but since the hard core communist and socialist left were against the vote, it must have been a good thing. Apparently britain was one of the net producers in the EU and the EU community was redistributing wealth to the Net Consumers.

Could be one reason why Greece's stock market dropped almost 14% on Friday and Germany's and France's markets lost 6.8 and 8.0%, respectively. Meanwhile, Britain's FTSE 100 was down 3.2% and actually ended up 2% for the week. Go figure. :shrug:
 
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