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Terrorism in Western Europe Used to Be Much Worse

Been there done that. Certain Americans panic at the drop of a hat, beating the drum for other to go to war. "OMG Scawy Mooslims are coming! Do something to make them go away! Look out behind you!
 
Manc Skipper said:
Been there done that. Certain Americans panic at the drop of a hat, beating the drum for other to go to war. "OMG Scawy Mooslims are coming! Do something to make them go away! Look out behind you!
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Coming from a person living in a country of men who have had their gonads locked away in a box for the past 60 years. Thatcher was the best man in the UK for quite a while.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Coming from a person living in a country of men who have had their gonads locked away in a box for the past 60 years. Thatcher was the best man in the UK for quite a while.
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.....and that's probably where most of the problems rooted.

If she had allowed herself more female sense (instead of trying to outdo the gonad carriers), who knows, she might have governed far more intelligently.

But I guess those were not the times for any such display. But trying to (standing up) pee further than the rest is never a good idea when your facilities are not made for it. Rather than use those qualities that your competitors can't boast, overcompensating something you don't have is nowhere near as effective as using what you do and letting the others do the over-compensation.

As one can see in any locker room, not to mention in the art of Aikido. :mrgreen:
 
Chagos said:
.....and that's probably where most of the problems rooted.

If she had allowed herself more female sense (instead of trying to outdo the gonad carriers), who knows, she might have governed far more intelligently.

But I guess those were not the times for any such display. But trying to (standing up) pee further than the rest is never a good idea when your facilities are not made for it. Rather than use those qualities that your competitors can't boast, overcompensating something you don't have is nowhere near as effective as using what you do and letting the others do the over-compensation.

As one can see in any locker room, not to mention in the art of Aikido. :mrgreen:
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In others words......you have nothing to say.

She has been the best man in the UK since Churchill.
 
RetiredUSN said:
In others words......you have nothing to say.
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If you go back and read carefully, you might garner the implication of my not thinking her governance to have been intelligent.

She has been the best man in the UK since Churchill.
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I'll gladly concede that his calibre wasn't really met any more since. Yet, man or not, she didn't match it either.

But this here is neither about Sir Winston nor the Dame, so I'll close on it.
 
truthatallcost said:
Why does the HuffPo chart list 360 UK victims of terror attacks in 1972, yet I can't find any recorded terror attacks in the UK in '72? All I can find for '72 is the 17 killed in Germany and 2 attacks in Italy.
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Northern Ireland.
 
Eric7216 said:
Wonder what that chart would look like without the Irish-British conflict and the Spain-ETA (Basques Separatists) conflicts? You really think the issue today is similar or comparable?
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Terror is terror. The attacks in France and Belgium were mostly done by nationals of said countries. Their motives are political, just as the motives of the IRA was political.. both were shrouded in religion, but fundamentally it was political. So it does not matter the reasoning.. terror is terror.
 
PeteEU said:
Terror is terror. The attacks in France and Belgium were mostly done by nationals of said countries. Their motives are political, just as the motives of the IRA was political.. both were shrouded in religion, but fundamentally it was political. So it does not matter the reasoning.. terror is terror.
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Agreed. But as an American, I could simply avoid travelling to Belfast or Spain in the 70s and 80s and felt safe. Now it is not so easy. Will tend to avoid cities with large populations of unassimilated Moslems.
 
Eric7216 said:
Agreed. But as an American, I could simply avoid travelling to Belfast or Spain in the 70s and 80s and felt safe. Now it is not so easy. Will tend to avoid cities with large populations of unassimilated Moslems.
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Then they have beaten you.
 
William Rea said:
Then they have beaten you.
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Reminds me after the London bombings how people went straight back to their ordinary lives.

The Queen said:
“Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
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Prince Charles said:
“What I can never get over is the incredible resilience of the British people who have set us all a fantastic example of how to react to these tragedies.”
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I think even a British republican can echo the sentiment.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Reminds me after the London bombings how people went straight back to their ordinary lives.

I think even a British republican can echo the sentiment.
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I'm not a 'good old days' kind of person but, most of the ordinary British people during WW2 showed tremendous spirit. Not just London either, there's Coventry, Plymouth, Exeter etc, and not forgetting the many Europeans that resisted German occupation at incredible personal risk. A whole generation terrorised by an everyday real and present danger that emerged, not forgetting but, able to forgive and get on with trying to build a land fit for heroes.
 
Eric7216 said:
Agreed. But as an American, I could simply avoid travelling to Belfast or Spain in the 70s and 80s and felt safe. Now it is not so easy. Will tend to avoid cities with large populations of unassimilated Moslems.
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You mean UK, Spain, France and Germany... plus most other countries. There was attacks in Denmark during the 1980s, attacks in 85 in France, and the ETA carried out attacks in France as well during the 70s and 80s. The IRA carried out a considerable amount of attacks in England.. remember the dead horses in London? Germany was full of terror from RAF and allies during the 70s and 80s. These attacks spread to Italy and other countries around Germany. For example RAF carried out kidnappings and assassinations in Italy not to mention bombings.

The difference is that in the 1970s and 80s we did not have 24 hour news coverage and the internet. We do now, which is why it feels so much worse.. and in reality it is just that our knowledge of the attacks not only come faster but are far more graphic and up in your face.
 
Eric7216 said:
Agreed. But as an American, I could simply avoid travelling to Belfast or Spain in the 70s and 80s and felt safe. Now it is not so easy. Will tend to avoid cities with large populations of unassimilated Moslems.
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Do you avoid automobiles, flying and buses too?
 
William Rea said:
Then they have beaten you.
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Cities with unassimilated Muslims are not that interesting to visit anyway. Who really needs the aggravation? Cities like London have simply lost their charm and other places are now far more interesting and welcoming.
 
Grant said:
Cities with unassimilated Muslims are not that interesting to visit anyway. Who really needs the aggravation? Cities like London have simply lost their charm and other places are now far more interesting and welcoming.
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What?

Really?

You're just disgusting with your ignorance, virtually never matters what subject, you're so blindly irrational it's mindblowing.

Muslims only make up 12% of Londons population according to the latest census.

50% Christian and 20% no religion at all and a massive mix of other stuff in smaller percentage points.

I've spent lots of time in London, one of the coolest cities in the world.

You say things like this and you expect any of us to believe your worldview is not informed by hatred and prejudice. :shrug:
 
PeteEU said:
Terrorism in Western Europe Used to Be Much Worse | Mother Jones

Interesting is it not?
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I think there are a couple of things to note here. Terrorism in the 70's and 80's was largely related to relatively local geographic conflicts. The IRA was fighting Great Britain (Not the Entire Western World) and B was by Europeans on Europeans. This second point is an extremely important considering Millions of Muslims are emigrating to Europe (Not Just Refugees but also normal immigration from outside the EU is primarily from Muslims) at a time when Muslim terrorist attacks on European countries are on a sharp Rise.

In summary what defines this era of terrorism from any other in history is that it is GLOBAL......ISIS is far Larger, More powerful and has a much greater reach globally than any terrorist organization in History. The IRA even at its peak was not trying to obtain a hydrogen bomb...ISIS is.....and they will use it if they get one......
 
Grant said:
Cities with unassimilated Muslims are not that interesting to visit anyway. Who really needs the aggravation? Cities like London have simply lost their charm and other places are now far more interesting and welcoming.
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You should probably tell that to the record breaking tens of millions of people who visit London every year.
 
International10 said:
I think there are a couple of things to note here. Terrorism in the 70's and 80's was largely related to relatively local geographic conflicts. The IRA was fighting Great Britain (Not the Entire Western World) and B was by Europeans on Europeans. This second point is an extremely important considering Millions of Muslims are emigrating to Europe (Not Just Refugees but also normal immigration from outside the EU is primarily from Muslims) at a time when Muslim terrorist attacks on European countries are on a sharp Rise.
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Some problems with your theory there. First off migration... legal migration to Europe is not "mostly Muslims". Far from it. Secondly the attacks in Europe were carried mostly out by born and bred Europeans.

In summary what defines this era of terrorism from any other in history is that it is GLOBAL......ISIS is far Larger, More powerful and has a much greater reach globally than any terrorist organization in History. The IRA even at its peak was not trying to obtain a hydrogen bomb...ISIS is.....and they will use it if they get one......
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I dont disagree it is far more global, but terror is terror. Most terror happens in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan with Nigeria coming up in the rear. Hell there have been more domestic terror attacks in the US, than there have been domestic terror attacks in Europe.. trying rapping your head around that one.

We had a lot of home grown terror in the 1970s-90s, and we did not put in place draconian measures (some governments did attempt it) to stop the tide. We did not panic, we did not go around fearing the Irish, or Basque people on the opposite side of the road. Then why in hell are we doing that now.. or are we? is it the media and right wing nationalist racist politicians that are stirring the pot so to say? or is there a real fear just because a guy is a bit darker in the skin and prays to a different religious text? Is it ignorance, stupidity, or more awareness that it is happen? Is it a bit of all of them?
 
Jetboogieman said:
What? Really? You're just disgusting with your ignorance, virtually never matters what subject, you're so blindly irrational it's mindblowing. Muslims only make up 12% of Londons population according to the latest census. 50% Christian and 20% no religion at all and a massive mix of other stuff in smaller percentage points. I've spent lots of time in London, one of the coolest cities in the world.
You say things like this and you expect any of us to believe your worldview is not informed by hatred and prejudice. :shrug:
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I'm not alone in my observations.
John Cleese: 'London no longer English city and that's how it got 2012 Olympics' | Daily Mail Online

'I feel like a stranger where I live? - Telegraph

I once lived in Paris for a few months and the street, Rue de la Huchette, is now unrecognizable. It's not an area to which I'll return simply because these cities are not what they were. The 'Londoness' is gone. The 'Parisness' is gone. Why bother?
 
William Rea said:
Then they have beaten you.
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Not even fighting them. It is a massive world with 7 billion people. A person could travel a lot without ever getting into an area of unassimilated Muslims. Besides, why spend tourist dollars in places with policies that you oppose? Like eating a food you don't like simply because you don't want the food to "beat" you.
 
Nilly said:
You should probably tell that to the record breaking tens of millions of people who visit London every year.
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Oh I'm sure there are still many visitors and good for them. I'm just not interested. I saw London many times when it was English and have seen it once since it changed. It's not the same so I'll not bother again. Too many other options in this world.
 
joG said:
Do you avoid automobiles, flying and buses too?
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Of course not.
There is no reason to support countries with your tourist dollars if you oppose their policies. I would like France to be France. If it is no longer France there is no reason to go there. Travelled enough in Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan and others to see those cultures.
 
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