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Midland Dam break - a good preview of climate change consequences

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Two dams were breached in Midland, MI, this week, flooding the town up to 9 feet deep in water and causing evacuation of 10,000 people (so far).



This is a perfect example of what climate change will bring everywhere in the future.


A slow change, compounded every year, in the face of decaying infrastructure that has been fine, until a 500 year flood event hits (and the 500 year and 100 year events happen multiple times within a a decade).


You can even see these consequences predicted in Midlands own town paper two years ago:

We should lead way on climate change - Midland Daily News

It’s a subtle thing.. sure, maybe they would have gone anyway... sure, but how can we know a 500 year rain event will happen again? I can tell you that Chicago has had record rain this May - over 8 inches - and it beats the previous record set.... LAST YEAR.

The science on this is quite clear, and you can see that here at DP as deniers either spam blog posts or make up their own amateur interpretations of scientific data all while telling us the people who study this for a living and collect the data they misinterpret are wrong.


The deniers are holding up public policy - because why fix something that isnt gonna break?


At least this time no one died.


Midland dam failures, flooding and evacuations: U-M experts available | University of Michigan News
 
Climate change is a Chinese hoax, just like Covid.
 
Threegoofs said:
Two dams were breached in Midland, MI, this week, flooding the town up to 9 feet deep in water and causing evacuation of 10,000 people (so far).



This is a perfect example of what climate change will bring everywhere in the future.


A slow change, compounded every year, in the face of decaying infrastructure that has been fine, until a 500 year flood event hits (and the 500 year and 100 year events happen multiple times within a a decade).


You can even see these consequences predicted in Midlands own town paper two years ago:

We should lead way on climate change - Midland Daily News

It’s a subtle thing.. sure, maybe they would have gone anyway... sure, but how can we know a 500 year rain event will happen again? I can tell you that Chicago has had record rain this May - over 8 inches - and it beats the previous record set.... LAST YEAR.

The science on this is quite clear, and you can see that here at DP as deniers either spam blog posts or make up their own amateur interpretations of scientific data all while telling us the people who study this for a living and collect the data they misinterpret are wrong.


The deniers are holding up public policy - because why fix something that isnt gonna break?


At least this time no one died.


Midland dam failures, flooding and evacuations: U-M experts available | University of Michigan News
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Maybe if we ignore climate change, it will go away, just like the COVID19. Ignore anything bad, and it will go away. Tooth ache? Just ignore it. No need to see a dentist. Credit card bills due and no money in the bank? Ignore it. It will go away. Car making an odd noise? It's nothing. Ignore it, and it will stop. Maybe the car will stop, too, but the noise will eventually stop.
 
We had two damns break. Soon it will be down to zero. :mrgreen:

The country needs to improve your damns and water storage control infrastructure. No doubt climate is changing.
 
How did climate change become responsible for this?

Was the rain fall especially high? If so how come the overflows did not manage to cope with it?

Why was the damn not allowed to drain down before the rain storm? Obviously in this day and age the weather forcasts are much improved. They can predict the weather 200 years into the future according to the climate change scientists....

Or was there a neglect of infrastructure and a lack of understanding that you have to keep on top of such things or they go wrong. Like you have to maintain your house or it falls down. Same with damns.
 
Tim the plumber said:
How did climate change become responsible for this?

Was the rain fall especially high? If so how come the overflows did not manage to cope with it?

Why was the damn not allowed to drain down before the rain storm? Obviously in this day and age the weather forcasts are much improved. They can predict the weather 200 years into the future according to the climate change scientists....

Or was there a neglect of infrastructure and a lack of understanding that you have to keep on top of such things or they go wrong. Like you have to maintain your house or it falls down. Same with damns.
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Did you read the linked article in the OP?

Here is another article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/05/20/michigan-dams-fail-midland/
 
mike2810 said:
Did you read the linked article in the OP?

Here is another article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/05/20/michigan-dams-fail-midland/
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For years, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) has feared a failure at the Edenville Dam. According to The Detroit News, the dam has been of concern to federal overseers since at least 1999, when its owners were warned that more spillway capacity was needed to avoid a potential collapse.
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Yeah, it was the climate change demon.....
 
Tim the plumber said:
How did climate change become responsible for this?

Was the rain fall especially high? If so how come the overflows did not manage to cope with it?

Why was the damn not allowed to drain down before the rain storm? Obviously in this day and age the weather forcasts are much improved. They can predict the weather 200 years into the future according to the climate change scientists....

Or was there a neglect of infrastructure and a lack of understanding that you have to keep on top of such things or they go wrong. Like you have to maintain your house or it falls down. Same with damns.
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Your lack of understanding is irrelevant.

That’s why I included links.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Yeah, it was the climate change demon.....
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Climate does change. If you will note I have said nothing about global warming, the cause of the change, etc. So I will accept your remark of "change demon" at humor.
 
Another blame any weather disaster on AGW thread,
If you bother to read more about this you see that the dam was old,
The Edenville dam was constructed in 1924 and was on FERC’s list of “high hazard” dams, meaning that its failure could damage property and threaten lives.
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and this bit,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/05/20/michigan-dams-fail-midland/
Midland received 3.83 inches on Tuesday — its fourth-highest calendar-day rainfall total on record, and its wettest day since September 2015. Records date back to 1970.
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So the rainfall while unusual, was only the 4th highest in the last 50 years.
 
North America and much of the world is experiencing what life would be like if the enviro-extremists have their way. The literal shut down of first world economies and the beggaring of the public has shown exactly the results necessary to achieve their climate goals. You just have to look at the media's fixation on the air over Wuhan China earlier this year while Wuhan was in total lockdown. Climate pimps crowed about the wonderful clear skies over the city with little or no regard for what achieved those clear skies. But those same climate zealots are also big fans of people being slaves to government, depending on government handouts to survive.

If you want to live the rest of your life like you have the past couple of months under the COVID economic lockdown, elect more climate zealots and you'll have your wish.
 
Threegoofs said:
Two dams were breached in Midland, MI, this week, flooding the town up to 9 feet deep in water and causing evacuation of 10,000 people (so far).



This is a perfect example of what climate change will bring everywhere in the future.


A slow change, compounded every year, in the face of decaying infrastructure that has been fine, until a 500 year flood event hits (and the 500 year and 100 year events happen multiple times within a a decade).


You can even see these consequences predicted in Midlands own town paper two years ago:

We should lead way on climate change - Midland Daily News

It’s a subtle thing.. sure, maybe they would have gone anyway... sure, but how can we know a 500 year rain event will happen again? I can tell you that Chicago has had record rain this May - over 8 inches - and it beats the previous record set.... LAST YEAR.

The science on this is quite clear, and you can see that here at DP as deniers either spam blog posts or make up their own amateur interpretations of scientific data all while telling us the people who study this for a living and collect the data they misinterpret are wrong.


The deniers are holding up public policy - because why fix something that isnt gonna break?


At least this time no one died.


Midland dam failures, flooding and evacuations: U-M experts available | University of Michigan News
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Exhibit A in the category "Ridiculous Climate Alarmist Attempts to Exploit the News." This OP belongs in The Onion.
 
mike2810 said:
Climate does change. If you will note I have said nothing about global warming, the cause of the change, etc. So I will accept your remark of "change demon" at humor.
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For years, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) has feared a failure at the Edenville Dam. According to The Detroit News, the dam has been of concern to federal overseers since at least 1999, when its owners were warned that more spillway capacity was needed to avoid a potential collapse.
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The damn was not built right. It was obvious. The need to improve it to have bigger slipway capacity was obvious. It was obvious without any change in climate.

Simple stuff.

Simple.

Utterly obvious.
 
Good video.

[h=1]Michigan Dams Collapse[/h]Posted on 21 May 20 by MIKE DOMBROSKI • 1 Comment
Mid Michigan is suffering through some historic flooding after the Edenville and Sanford dams failed after heavy rains. Lake Sanford has been drained into downtown Midland causing the evacuation of thousands. Someone caught some video of one of the dams breaking. Here’s another video which nicely summarizes the situation. I live in Bay City which … Continu
 
jack hays said:
exhibit a in the category "ridiculous climate alarmist attempts to exploit the news." this op belongs in the onion.
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laffriot.
 
AGW is real. It doesn't care about your political philosophy, it is what it is.
It's like the virus. Viruses don't care what your political philosophy is, or what you choose to believe or not to believe. It is what it is.
Science describes what is happening in the world. If you don't like it, tough. It is what it is. You can be as "conservative" as you want, whatever that means, and carbon dioxide released by the burning of fossil fuels will still be creating more and more severe extremes of weather. You can rant about how the only solution is for the government to run our lives and to go back to the stone age all you want, and carbon dioxide levels will still result in climate changes, at least most of which humans will find unpleasant and challenging. The Earth does not care. Carbon cycles do not care.

So, go ahead and make your silly political rants. The human race will still have to live with the results of its actions. What you choose to believe or want to believe does not matter. Your political philosophy is irrelevant.
 
Dittohead not! said:
AGW is real. It doesn't care about your political philosophy, it is what it is.
It's like the virus. Viruses don't care what your political philosophy is, or what you choose to believe or not to believe. It is what it is.
Science describes what is happening in the world. If you don't like it, tough. It is what it is. You can be as "conservative" as you want, whatever that means, and carbon dioxide released by the burning of fossil fuels will still be creating more and more severe extremes of weather. You can rant about how the only solution is for the government to run our lives and to go back to the stone age all you want, and carbon dioxide levels will still result in climate changes, at least most of which humans will find unpleasant and challenging. The Earth does not care. Carbon cycles do not care.

So, go ahead and make your silly political rants. The human race will still have to live with the results of its actions. What you choose to believe or want to believe does not matter. Your political philosophy is irrelevant.
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The only silly political rants here are attempts to connect failed dams to a climate change narrative.
 
Jack Hays said:
The only silly political rants here are attempts to connect failed dams to a climate change narrative.
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It's moronic to not be able to link climate change to a dam failure. I'm not saying it's the main cause, but to believe it's irrelevant is ignorant beyond comprehension.
 
Jack Hays said:
The only silly political rants here are attempts to connect failed dams to a climate change narrative.
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If you can’t understand the link, I’d recommend more time reading quality work on the subject snd less time reading and spamming politically motivated blogs written by amateurs.
 
ecofarm said:
It's moronic to not be able to link climate change to a dam failure. I'm not saying it's the main cause, but to believe it's irrelevant is ignorant beyond comprehension.
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How so, the article said the rainfall amount was the fourth highest in the last 50 years,
that means that the area has similar rain events at least every 20 years.
If anything the dam failure is more closely related to our crumbling infrastructure.
 
longview said:
How so, the article said the rainfall amount was the fourth highest in the last 50 years,
that means that the area has similar rain events at least every 20 years.
If anything the dam failure is more closely related to our crumbling infrastructure.
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Science is deceptive and school is for fools. We know. CT blogs got that Truth.
 
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