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The "weird" weather we've been experiencing lately isn't due to humans!
It's happened before - the last being with what is known as the DALTON MINIMUM - between 1790-1830.


NASA had predicted a grand solar minimum to start in 2020, reaching its peak on 2025.
A solar minimum means a period of diminished solar activity in the 11-year cycle of the sun. The prediction is that this next solar cycle will be the weakest in 200 years - around the same level as the DALTON MINIMUM which occurred between 1790 to 1830.
However, NASA makes no mention of the brutal cold, famine, war and powerful volcanic eruptions associated with it.




Like the deeper Maunder and Spörer Minimums preceding it, the Dalton brought on a period of lower-than-average global temperatures. The Oberlach Station in Germany, for example, experienced a 2C decline over 20 years, which devastated the country’s food production.

The Year Without a Summer also occurred during the Dalton Minimum, in 1816. It was caused by a combination of already low temperatures plus the aftereffects of the second largest volcanic eruption in 2000 years: Mount Tambora’s VEI 7 on April 10, 1815.

The earthquakes and tsunamis that followed killed tens of thousands of people living on the surrounding Indonesian islands. But Tambora’s eruption wasn’t of much interest to Europe and the U.S., not initially at least — the news was focused on the Napoleonic Wars and the Battle of Waterloo on Sunday, June 18, 1815, in which the Duke of Wellington defeated Napoleon Bonaparte at the expense of 65,000 men.

Crops that had managed to sprout were frozen out in early June, replanted, and frozen again in July. Very few crops were actually harvested, and of those that were, the yields were very poor. In turn, food and grain prices skyrocketed — for example, in 1815, oats sold for $0.12 a bushel but by the next year, a bushel would set you back $0.92.

And the story was the same across the world:
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NASA Predicts Next Solar Cycle will be Lowest in 200 Years (Dalton Minimum Levels) + the Implications - Electroverse



We might be starting to experience this now.


The sun has entered a ‘lockdown’ period, which could cause freezing weather, famine
The sun has entered a ‘lockdown’ period, which could cause freezing weather, famine
 
tosca1 said:
The "weird" weather we've been experiencing lately isn't due to humans!
It's happened before - the last being with what is known as the DALTON MINIMUM - between 1790-1830.


NASA had predicted a grand solar minimum to start in 2020, reaching its peak on 2025.
A solar minimum means a period of diminished solar activity in the 11-year cycle of the sun. The prediction is that this next solar cycle will be the weakest in 200 years - around the same level as the DALTON MINIMUM which occurred between 1790 to 1830.
However, NASA makes no mention of the brutal cold, famine, war and powerful volcanic eruptions associated with it.





NASA Predicts Next Solar Cycle will be Lowest in 200 Years (Dalton Minimum Levels) + the Implications - Electroverse



We might be starting to experience this now.


The sun has entered a ‘lockdown’ period, which could cause freezing weather, famine
The sun has entered a ‘lockdown’ period, which could cause freezing weather, famine
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Let's just hope it is only 5 years! The planet getting colder would be so much worse than getting warmer.
 
Writer of OP's article is real mad that a NASA employee writing about space travel didn't talk about climate change on Earth. (aka "Not Space")
 
Had to click through to the source of that diagram being claimed as a "NASA prediction."

That "NASA prediction" part on the end is a "sketch" done by a self-identified climate skeptic. Anyone have a link to an actual NASA forecast?
 
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[h=1]On 99 year anniversary of huge disruptive solar storm, we are about to enter the deepest period of solar “recession” ever recorded[/h][FONT=&quot]By Dr. Tony Phillips 99 years ago this week, people around the world woke up to some unusual headlines. “Telegraph Service Prostrated, Comet Not to Blame” — declared the Los Angeles Times on May 15, 1921. “Electrical Disturbance is ‘Worst Ever Known’” — reported the Chicago Daily Tribune. “Sunspot credited with Rail Tie-up” — deadpanned…
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tosca1 said:
The "weird" weather we've been experiencing lately isn't due to humans!
It's happened before - the last being with what is known as the DALTON MINIMUM - between 1790-1830.


NASA had predicted a grand solar minimum to start in 2020, reaching its peak on 2025.
A solar minimum means a period of diminished solar activity in the 11-year cycle of the sun. The prediction is that this next solar cycle will be the weakest in 200 years - around the same level as the DALTON MINIMUM which occurred between 1790 to 1830.
However, NASA makes no mention of the brutal cold, famine, war and powerful volcanic eruptions associated with it.


NASA Predicts Next Solar Cycle will be Lowest in 200 Years (Dalton Minimum Levels) + the Implications - Electroverse

We might be starting to experience this now.

The sun has entered a ‘lockdown’ period, which could cause freezing weather, famine
The sun has entered a ‘lockdown’ period, which could cause freezing weather, famine
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Your sources are an anonymously written denier blog that loves to talk about cold and snowy weather and the Murdock owned tabloids NYPost and The Sun.

:lamo
 
tosca1 said:
The "weird" weather we've been experiencing lately isn't due to humans!
It's happened before - the last being with what is known as the DALTON MINIMUM - between 1790-1830.


NASA had predicted a grand solar minimum to start in 2020, reaching its peak on 2025.
A solar minimum means a period of diminished solar activity in the 11-year cycle of the sun. The prediction is that this next solar cycle will be the weakest in 200 years - around the same level as the DALTON MINIMUM which occurred between 1790 to 1830.
However, NASA makes no mention of the brutal cold, famine, war and powerful volcanic eruptions associated with it.





NASA Predicts Next Solar Cycle will be Lowest in 200 Years (Dalton Minimum Levels) + the Implications - Electroverse



We might be starting to experience this now.


The sun has entered a ‘lockdown’ period, which could cause freezing weather, famine
The sun has entered a ‘lockdown’ period, which could cause freezing weather, famine
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Oh no! Global Cooling! Global Climate Change! (as if climate ever stopped at any one set of conditions. :roll )
 
Deuce said:
Had to click through to the source of that diagram being claimed as a "NASA prediction."

That "NASA prediction" part on the end is a "sketch" done by a self-identified climate skeptic. Anyone have a link to an actual NASA forecast?
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Looks like they copied and added onto a Wikipedia graph.

And here is NOAA/NWS's latest prediction:

Screenshot_2020-05-18 Solar Cycle Progression NOAA NWS Space Weather Prediction Center.jpg

Solar Cycle Progression | NOAA / NWS Space Weather Prediction Center

And what really stupid about this is that many denialists made this same prediction of global cooling over the last predicted low solar maximum back in 2008 and were just completely wrong. The planet actually warmed dramatically.
 
Jack Hays said:
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[h=1]On 99 year anniversary of huge disruptive solar storm, we are about to enter the deepest period of solar “recession” ever recorded[/h][FONT=&quot]By Dr. Tony Phillips 99 years ago this week, people around the world woke up to some unusual headlines. “Telegraph Service Prostrated, Comet Not to Blame” — declared the Los Angeles Times on May 15, 1921. “Electrical Disturbance is ‘Worst Ever Known’” — reported the Chicago Daily Tribune. “Sunspot credited with Rail Tie-up” — deadpanned…
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What does this have to do with the OP besides just solar cycles?
 
Buzz said:
Looks like they copied and added onto a Wikipedia graph.

And here is NOAA/NWS's latest prediction:

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Solar Cycle Progression | NOAA / NWS Space Weather Prediction Center

And what really stupid about this is that many denialists made this same prediction of global cooling over the last predicted low solar maximum back in 2008 and were just completely wrong. The planet actually warmed dramatically.
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Interesting! So, let's compare that to this "sketch."
Solar-Cycle-25-NASA-full.png


You just know one of them is going to claim it's the same.
 
Buzz said:
What does this have to do with the OP besides just solar cycles?
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Astronomer Dr. Tony Phillips said:
“Solar Minimum is underway and it’s a deep one.”
​
“Sunspot counts suggest it is one of the deepest of the past century. The sun’s magnetic field has become weak, allowing extra cosmic rays into the solar system.”
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“Excess cosmic rays pose a health hazard to astronauts and polar air travelers, affect the electro-chemistry of Earth’s upper atmosphere and may help trigger lightning.” . . . .

[FONT=&quot]the [increased] number of cosmic rays will be a good test of Svensmark’s theory that the sun’s magnetic field modulates galactic cosmic rays, and more cosmic rays create more atmospheric clod seeds in Earths atmosphere, thus increasing cloud cover and cooling the planet.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Of course with adjustments de jour being the current mission of climate scientists that are the gatekeepers of the surface data, we may never know for sure.[/FONT]

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Jack Hays said:
Astronomer Dr. Tony Phillips said:
“Solar Minimum is underway and it’s a deep one.”
​
“Sunspot counts suggest it is one of the deepest of the past century. The sun’s magnetic field has become weak, allowing extra cosmic rays into the solar system.”
​
“Excess cosmic rays pose a health hazard to astronauts and polar air travelers, affect the electro-chemistry of Earth’s upper atmosphere and may help trigger lightning.” . . . .

[FONT=&quot]the [increased] number of cosmic rays will be a good test of Svensmark’s theory that the sun’s magnetic field modulates galactic cosmic rays, and more cosmic rays create more atmospheric clod seeds in Earths atmosphere, thus increasing cloud cover and cooling the planet.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Of course with adjustments de jour being the current mission of climate scientists that are the gatekeepers of the surface data, we may never know for sure.[/FONT]

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Nice! An actual argument.

So... other than the tenuous connection to and speculative theory of cosmic rays cooling the earth... it doesn't really back up the OP's prediction of drastic cooling or linking to the cool weather happening now.

And did you notice that in a rare instance of intellectual honesty Anthony Watts actually points out some of the lies in the OP's second link?

:shock:

Why didn't you cut and paste that part, Jack?
 
Buzz said:
Nice! An actual argument.

So... other than the tenuous connection to and speculative theory of cosmic rays cooling the earth... it doesn't really back up the OP's prediction of drastic cooling or linking to the cool weather happening now.

And did you notice that in a rare instance of intellectual honesty Anthony Watts actually points out some of the lies in the OP's second link?

:shock:

Why didn't you cut and paste that part, Jack?
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The inaccuracy Watts pointed out is in an addendum he added, not in the OP.
 
Jack Hays said:
The inaccuracy Watts pointed out is in an addendum he added, not in the OP.
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The addendum directly refutes lies in the OP's second link. It even links to the exact same NY Post article.

So... which posts or links did you even read? Any at all? Or were you just mindlessly spamming denier blogs?
 
Buzz said:
The addendum directly refutes lies in the OP's second link. It even links to the exact same NY Post article.

So... which posts or links did you even read? Any at all? Or were you just mindlessly spamming denier blogs?
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The NY Post article appears only in the addendum.
 
Yes folks , Global cooling could be here soon
 
Jack Hays said:
The NY Post article appears only in the addendum.
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Are you really that oblivious to reality?

From the original OP:

tosca1 said:
The sun has entered a ‘lockdown’ period, which could cause freezing weather, famine
The sun has entered a ‘lockdown’ period, which could cause freezing weather, famine
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From Watts' addendum:

In a story by the New York Post titled: “The sun has entered a ‘lockdown’ period, which could cause freezing weather, famine” Dr. Phillips says:
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Exact same link.
 
Jack Hays said:
Ah. Didn't notice that. I was only looking at the WUWT post that I linked.
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So you were just mindlessly spamming denier blogs.

:roll:
 
Buzz said:
:roll:

It refutes it more than it adds. And you had no clue.
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That would be your opinion. I found Watts's addendum a valuable addition. And don't forget the NY Post link is secondary in the OP.
 
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Buzz said:
Nice! An actual argument.

So... other than the tenuous connection to and speculative theory of cosmic rays cooling the earth... it doesn't really back up the OP's prediction of drastic cooling or linking to the cool weather happening now.

And did you notice that in a rare instance of intellectual honesty Anthony Watts actually points out some of the lies in the OP's second link?

:shock:

Why didn't you cut and paste that part, Jack?
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Here is the actual statement from NASA.

Solar Minimum is Coming

Solar Minimum is Coming | Science Mission Directorate



Unless you've got something to refute NASA.....:mrgreen:.......all you have offered so far are simply your own expression of disagreement with the OP!
Like as if your word is good enough in this topic. :roll:

What have you got to support your opinion?
 
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