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Reasons to Be Skeptical of NASA and NOAA Temperature Data

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NASA and NOAA temperature data are often described as the best available. But do those data merit such confidence? Maybe not.


Climate models

NASA and NOAA’s Latest Climate Warning Is a Result of Purposefully...

February 12, 2020
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Because science is the pursuit of knowledge, and political actions almost necessarily restrict personal freedom, science, laws, and regulations should use the best available data.

". . . As has been hammered home repeatedly over the years by meteorologist Anthony Watts (who is also a Senior Fellow with The Heartland Institute), many of the monitoring stations throughout the United States fail to meet the standards established by the agencies themselves for reliable data measurement. Watts recorded hundreds of stations on pavement, at airports collecting jet exhaust, located next to artificial sources of hot and cold, such as air conditioning systems or commercial grill heat exhausts. Many of these stations were once located in rural areas, but are now surrounded by development, and others are rural stations where data is not recorded or monitored regularly.
After Watts’ 2014 revelations, the U.S. Office of the Inspector General issued a scathing report, almost entirely ignored by the media, that found lack of oversight, non-compliance, and a lax review process for the climate recording network led it to conclude program data “cannot be consistently relied upon by decision-makers.” In a panic, during the investigative process that resulted in the Inspector General’s report, NOAA closed approximately 600 of its most problematic weather stations.
Numerous reports have shown data manipulation is not limited to the United States, but is common across the globe. Temperatures recorded at pristine rural monitoring stations in far flung locations such as Australia, Paraguay, and Switzerland have been inexplicably homogenized so that past temperatures are now reported as cooler than were actually recorded, and recent temperatures are now reported as warmer than were recorded, necessarily making the temperature rise at these locations over the past century appear steeper and larger than the unadjusted data indicate. . . ."
 
It’s a giant conspiracy!

Weirdly, the other datasets in the world (hadcrut, Japan BEST, etc) all agree with GISS.

So it’s a worldwide conspiracy!

And somehow, you can only find this information on denier blogs. [emoji849]
 
It’s a giant conspiracy!

Weirdly, the other datasets in the world (hadcrut, Japan BEST, etc) all agree with GISS.

So it’s a worldwide conspiracy!

And somehow, you can only find this information on denier blogs. [emoji849]

". . . Sadly, in the field of climate research and climate policy, good data, when not ignored entirely, is increasingly twisted to fit the narrative claiming that humans are causing a climate crisis. Climate action partisans, in pursuit of political power and ever increasing resources, force data to fit their delusion that humans must forego modern, industrial civilization to save humanity and the earth from climate doom. . . . "
 
". . . Sadly, in the field of climate research and climate policy, good data, when not ignored entirely, is increasingly twisted to fit the narrative claiming that humans are causing a climate crisis. Climate action partisans, in pursuit of political power and ever increasing resources, force data to fit their delusion that humans must forego modern, industrial civilization to save humanity and the earth from climate doom. . . . "

Yes. A giant conspiracy.

Belongs in CT
 
No conspiracy required. Confirmation bias plus noble cause corruption are sufficient.

Dont forget the $$$ and the high ratings one gets when peddling apocalyptic BS.
 
Yes, that’s also a big feature conspiracy theorists cite.

You'll make a better impression if you actually try to deal with the evidence presented in the OP. By defaulting immediately to allegations without foundation and name-calling, your argument looks Trumpian. I doubt that's your intention.
 
Yes, that’s also a big feature conspiracy theorists cite.

Its the truth. Climate alarmism has become a trillion dollar industry- just follow the money.
 
NASA and NOAA temperature data are often described as the best available. But do those data merit such confidence? Maybe not
....
Temperatures recorded at pristine rural monitoring stations in far flung locations such as Australia, Paraguay, and Switzerland have been inexplicably homogenized so that past temperatures are now reported as cooler than were actually recorded, and recent temperatures are now reported as warmer than were recorded, necessarily making the temperature rise at these locations over the past century appear steeper and larger than the unadjusted data indicate. . . ."

Since 2003 NASA's GISTEMP has produced 206 monthly Land Ocean
Temperature Index (LOTI) reports going back to 1880. That comes to
325,171 monthly entries. Only 116 of the 206 reports are available
on the Internet Way Back Machine. An up to date analysis of those
116 reports shows that at least 45,703 changes were made. So far in
2020 there have been 559 changes.

Here's what those changes look like for the last ten years:
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Just to present evidence of a pattern of behaviour;

Greenland is supposed to be melting.

Greenland gets 540mm of precipitation, snowfall, each year. This is a total of 1150Gt/yr. Greenland Average Precipitation | 1901-2015 Data | 2019-2020 Forecast | Historical

The rivers that flow out fo Greenland do so for only 2 months per year. The biggest is the Watson river. It has a yearly flow of about 7Gt/yr. It represents about 5% of the total outflow of Greenland. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15230430.2018.1433799 Fig 4.

The glaciers add up to 50% to this by calving ice off.

So the highest reasonable outflow is 200Gt/yr. That is 200 cubic kilometers of water.

Clearly Greenland is gaining ice.

NASA says it is losing it. NASA says that it is losing 245Gt/yr, which they say is an acceleration from previous figures which have been 360 to 400Gt/yr. To achieve a breakeven Greeland needs to have the outflow of 12 Mississippis. Look at the map, can you see any such massive rivers? I can't.

I cannot avoid the obvious conclusion that NASA is lying. Like they did after they blew up that Space Shuttle.
 
Since 2003 NASA's GISTEMP has produced 206 monthly Land Ocean
Temperature Index (LOTI) reports going back to 1880. That comes to
325,171 monthly entries. Only 116 of the 206 reports are available
on the Internet Way Back Machine. An up to date analysis of those
116 reports shows that at least 45,703 changes were made. So far in
2020 there have been 559 changes.

Here's what those changes look like for the last ten years:
image.png

Ummm, 0.2c. Does that number sound familure?
 
I see alarmists will IGNORE this article, which has numerous links to published papers, too dangerous to learn the science research......

Alarmists throw in the towel on poor quality surface temperature data – pitch for a new global climate reference network

LINK

Stay terrified and ignorant, it is a staple of warmist/alarmist thinking.
 
NASA and NOAA temperature data are often described as the best available. But do those data merit such confidence? Maybe not.

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". . . As has been hammered home repeatedly over the years by meteorologist Anthony Watts (who is also a Senior Fellow with The Heartland Institute), many of the monitoring stations throughout the United States fail to meet the standards established by the agencies themselves for reliable data measurement. Watts recorded hundreds of stations on pavement, at airports collecting jet exhaust, located next to artificial sources of hot and cold, such as air conditioning systems or commercial grill heat exhausts. Many of these stations were once located in rural areas, but are now surrounded by development, and others are rural stations where data is not recorded or monitored regularly.
After Watts’ 2014 revelations, the U.S. Office of the Inspector General issued a scathing report, almost entirely ignored by the media, that found lack of oversight, non-compliance, and a lax review process for the climate recording network led it to conclude program data “cannot be consistently relied upon by decision-makers.” In a panic, during the investigative process that resulted in the Inspector General’s report, NOAA closed approximately 600 of its most problematic weather stations.
Numerous reports have shown data manipulation is not limited to the United States, but is common across the globe. Temperatures recorded at pristine rural monitoring stations in far flung locations such as Australia, Paraguay, and Switzerland have been inexplicably homogenized so that past temperatures are now reported as cooler than were actually recorded, and recent temperatures are now reported as warmer than were recorded, necessarily making the temperature rise at these locations over the past century appear steeper and larger than the unadjusted data indicate. . . ."

Wow!! What an absolutely horrible article just chock full of lies and misinformation. But it was originally posted on Breitbart... so that is to be expected.

But what is funny is Anthony Watt's video. Not only does he make a fool of himself but he is also turning into a lard ass! All that denialist fueled ad money must be making him lazy.

But what is even funnier than his weight gain is how he cited two studies he helped write. He brings up Fall et al 2011 which was an analysis of his surface stations project. The only problem with this peer-reviewed and published study was that it didn't give Watts the results he wanted. It actually found that the errors in the United States temp record were small and off-setting. Anthony never mentions this and only brings up that study when he wants to point out that he is a published author. But then when he wants to mislead people he switches to talking about his second study where he made sure it showed how bad the temp record is. The main problem is that the second study was rejected for publication due to Watt's refusal to make time of day adjustments to the data. He claimed a long time ago that he was going to fix that... but never did. And now over 7 years later he brings up the bogus results and presents them in a way that would make people believe it was from the peer-reviewed and published study.

Anthony Watts is a dishonest hack!!
 
Wow!! What an absolutely horrible article just chock full of lies and misinformation. But it was originally posted on Breitbart... so that is to be expected.

But what is funny is Anthony Watt's video. Not only does he make a fool of himself but he is also turning into a lard ass! All that denialist fueled ad money must be making him lazy.

But what is even funnier than his weight gain is how he cited two studies he helped write. He brings up Fall et al 2011 which was an analysis of his surface stations project. The only problem with this peer-reviewed and published study was that it didn't give Watts the results he wanted. It actually found that the errors in the United States temp record were small and off-setting. Anthony never mentions this and only brings up that study when he wants to point out that he is a published author. But then when he wants to mislead people he switches to talking about his second study where he made sure it showed how bad the temp record is. The main problem is that the second study was rejected for publication due to Watt's refusal to make time of day adjustments to the data. He claimed a long time ago that he was going to fix that... but never did. And now over 7 years later he brings up the bogus results and presents them in a way that would make people believe it was from the peer-reviewed and published study.

Anthony Watts is a dishonest hack!!

Tsk tsk. The U.S. Inspector General seems to have been more impressed.

". . . After Watts’ 2014 revelations, the U.S. Office of the Inspector General issued a scathing report, almost entirely ignored by the media, that found lack of oversight, non-compliance, and a lax review process for the climate recording network led it to conclude program data “cannot be consistently relied upon by decision-makers.” . . . "
 
Tsk tsk. The U.S. Inspector General seems to have been more impressed.

". . . After Watts’ 2014 revelations, the U.S. Office of the Inspector General issued a scathing report, almost entirely ignored by the media, that found lack of oversight, non-compliance, and a lax review process for the climate recording network led it to conclude program data “cannot be consistently relied upon by decision-makers.” . . . "

Any chance of a link to the report itself rather the Watts' drivel?
 
Any chance of a link to the report itself rather the Watts' drivel?
I think this is it.
https://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11800.pdf
As a result, the agency cannot easily measure the USHCN’s performance against its siting standards and management requirements. Without more complete data on siting conditions, including when siting conditions change, it is difficult for agency management to assess the extent to which the stations meet its siting standards.
 
Tsk tsk. The U.S. Inspector General seems to have been more impressed.

". . . After Watts’ 2014 revelations, the U.S. Office of the Inspector General issued a scathing report, almost entirely ignored by the media, that found lack of oversight, non-compliance, and a lax review process for the climate recording network led it to conclude program data “cannot be consistently relied upon by decision-makers.” . . . "

The GAO report doesn't change the fact that Anthony lied about the results of his studies in that video.

Do you even care if your sources lie?
 
The GAO report doesn't change the fact that Anthony lied about the results of his studies in that video.

Do you even care if your sources lie?

Gee you scream a lot in two posts, but provide ZERO evidence to support your screaming.

Carry on.....
 
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