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AGW deniers discover (or build?) an anti-Greta

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For climate skeptics, it’s hard to compete with the youthful appeal of global phenomenon Greta Thunberg. But one U.S. think tank hopes it’s found an answer: the anti-Greta. Naomi Seibt is a 19-year-old German who, like Greta, is blond, eloquent and European. But Naomi denounces “climate alarmism,” calls climate consciousness “a despicably anti-human ideology,” and has even deployed Greta’s now famous “How dare you?” line to take on the mainstream German media. “She’s a fantastic voice for free markets and for climate realism,” said James Taylor, director of the Arthur B. Robinson Center for Climate and Environmental Policy at the Heartland Institute, an influential libertarian think tank in suburban Chicago that has the ear of the Trump administration.

In December, Heartland headlined Naomi at its forum at the UN climate conference in Madrid, where Taylor described her as “the star” of the show. Last month, Heartland hired Naomi as the young face of its campaign to question the scientific consensus that human activity is causing dangerous global warming. “Naomi Seibt vs. Greta Thunberg: whom should we trust?” asked Heartland in a digital video. Later this week, Naomi is set to make her American debut at the Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, a high-profile annual gathering just outside Washington of right-leaning activists. . . . Brookie added: “The tactic is intended to create an equivalency in spokespeople and message. In this case, it is a false equivalency between a message based in climate science that went viral organically and a message based in climate skepticism trying to catch up using paid promotion.”



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https://www.washingtonpost.com/clim...outuber-campaigning-against-climate-alarmism/

Now, do you think the AGW deniers who dishonestly attacked Greta by trying to suggest she has no agency - that she didn't think of activism on her own but was manipulated into it by shadowy liberal forces - are going to say the same thing about Ms. Seib?

:thinking

Nope. They'll be saying some version of "you should listen to her because you listened to Greta. But because we always need to have our cake and eat it too, we will simultaneously REFUSE to explain why our prior refusal to listen to Greta should not also require us to ignore Seibt."

As for Seibt herself....
"Naomi said her political activism was sparked a few years ago when she began asking questions in school about Germany’s liberal immigration policies."

She didn't like immigrants, so she glommed onto the right. Then she got pulled into other right wing ideas. After all, if you find yourself saying "the left is wrong about this and that", you might lazily decide that the left must be wrong about everything. Or maybe just pretend it is for imaginary political points.

It just so happens this is similar to how American denierism showed its mug.
Left-lean politicians were the first to start listening to climate scientists about AGW specifically, and start considering policies. Gore made himself a focal point AND had the temerity to run for POTUS, making it inevitable. The GOP had swallowed Gingrich's "Permanent Republican Majority" poison pill. They had already embraced the ideal of always obstructing the left for the sake of power. So naturally, when the left started listening to climate scientists, the right made a show of not listening.

Denierism is purely political.
 
American deniers beware. Her version does not insist that AGW is a myth. She cedes that warming is occurring. She claims that unidentified predictions are too severe and must be wrong. Another armchair expert who has never put themselves in the position of defending their claims where there are real referees. She's never published a peer-reviewed paper the field.

It must be grand to be allowed to make factual claims and never have to defend them. (After all, specific predictions differ. Inevitably, one will prove to be the most accurate and the others less accurate. What a perfect way to set yourself up to be able to say "see, I was right?" To deny-without-denying. Wink wink nudge nudge know what I mean.



Someone might now be itching to say "but Greta hasn't published either." Here's what that person somehow failed to understand: Greta isn't saying the people who did publish are wrong, like deniers are.

AGW scientists already proved their case. It's not for people who refuse to say that they are wrong to prove it for them, again. The burden of disproof is on the deniers, since they are the ones claiming the scientists are all wrong (or lying). They have to actually prove their wrong. And do that, they need to meet the climate scientists on their own turf. Not congress, not an internet board. Peer-reviewed papers. They can't. That's why they evade their natural duty at every opportunity.
 
American deniers beware. Her version does not insist that AGW is a myth. She cedes that warming is occurring. She claims that unidentified predictions are too severe and must be wrong. Another armchair expert who has never put themselves in the position of defending their claims where there are real referees. She's never published a peer-reviewed paper the field.

It must be grand to be allowed to make factual claims and never have to defend them. (After all, specific predictions differ. Inevitably, one will prove to be the most accurate and the others less accurate. What a perfect way to set yourself up to be able to say "see, I was right?" To deny-without-denying. Wink wink nudge nudge know what I mean.



Someone might now be itching to say "but Greta hasn't published either." Here's what that person somehow failed to understand: Greta isn't saying the people who did publish are wrong, like deniers are.

AGW scientists already proved their case. It's not for people who refuse to say that they are wrong to prove it for them, again. The burden of disproof is on the deniers, since they are the ones claiming the scientists are all wrong (or lying). They have to actually prove their wrong. And do that, they need to meet the climate scientists on their own turf. Not congress, not an internet board. Peer-reviewed papers. They can't. That's why they evade their natural duty at every opportunity.

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[h=1]WaPo showcases the “Anti-Greta” Thunberg[/h][FONT=&quot]In an interesting turn of events, the Washington Post has done a front-page feature on Naomi Seibt, a German climate skeptic and YouTuber that WaPo describes as “… 19-year-old German who, like Greta, is blond, eloquent and European.” Some excerpts: But Naomi denounces “climate alarmism,” calls climate consciousness “a despicably anti-human ideology,” and has even…
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At least there weren't any misunderstood copy/pastes of graphs this time.
 
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At least there weren't any misunderstood copy/pastes of graphs this time.



Like the terrapin and the gun forum, there is an :alert sounded!
 
Like the terrapin and the gun forum, there is an :alert sounded!

He even made sure to come up with a blog juxtaposing a picture of a composed denier darling with a picture of Greta making a face. It's hilarious, you see, because she deals with some mental illness. So HAH-HAH, look at her face!
 
He even made sure to come up with a blog juxtaposing a picture of a composed denier darling with a picture of Greta making a face. It's hilarious, you see, because she deals with some mental illness. So HAH-HAH, look at her face!

Do a better job and you won't have to whine so much.

WaPo's photo:




Trending

The anti-Greta: A conservative think tank takes on the global phenomenon

German teen Naomi Seibt is the newest face of the libertarian Heartland Institute’s effort to promote what it calls “global warming realism.”

 
American deniers beware. Her version does not insist that AGW is a myth. She cedes that warming is occurring. She claims that unidentified predictions are too severe and must be wrong. Another armchair expert who has never put themselves in the position of defending their claims where there are real referees. She's never published a peer-reviewed paper the field.

It must be grand to be allowed to make factual claims and never have to defend them. (After all, specific predictions differ. Inevitably, one will prove to be the most accurate and the others less accurate. What a perfect way to set yourself up to be able to say "see, I was right?" To deny-without-denying. Wink wink nudge nudge know what I mean.



Someone might now be itching to say "but Greta hasn't published either." Here's what that person somehow failed to understand: Greta isn't saying the people who did publish are wrong, like deniers are.

AGW scientists already proved their case. It's not for people who refuse to say that they are wrong to prove it for them, again. The burden of disproof is on the deniers, since they are the ones claiming the scientists are all wrong (or lying). They have to actually prove their wrong. And do that, they need to meet the climate scientists on their own turf. Not congress, not an internet board. Peer-reviewed papers. They can't. That's why they evade their natural duty at every opportunity.

Also that Greta isn't alone that she is part of a global movement of millions of young people all across the world.

List-towns - FridaysForFuture

There older generations, governments and companies are becoming inspired to take action.

Parents around the world mobilise behind youth climate strikes | Environment | The Guardian

Greta Thunberg 'drove us' to act on climate change, says Merkel

Google makes ‘biggest corporate purchase’ of renewable energy - The Verge

There even local Republican politicians are inspired into taking action.

"Other red states and municipalities are slowly starting to address global heating. After banning the words “climate change” from state environmental agencies, Florida now has a chief resilience officer tasked with preparing for sea level rise. After a year of disastrous flooding, Nebraska lawmakers advanced a bill to develop a climate change plan for a full legislative debate.

Utah prides itself on being business friendly – and it has a rapidly growing tech sector concerned about environmental issues, as well as booming tourist economy that revolves around the ski industry and public lands.

The Utah plan, known as the Utah Roadmap, began, like a number of recent environmental initiatives, with young people clamoring for action. High school students drafted a resolution that recognized the impacts of the climate crisis and encouraged emissions reductions, and persuaded two Republican lawmakers to sponsor it. Environmental advocates say it was the first measure of its kind to pass in a red state. The legislature followed up with state money for experts to provide policy recommendations."


Red-state Utah embraces plan to tackle climate crisis in surprising shift | Environment | The Guardian
 
American deniers beware. Her version does not insist that AGW is a myth. She cedes that warming is occurring. She claims that unidentified predictions are too severe and must be wrong. Another armchair expert who has never put themselves in the position of defending their claims where there are real referees. She's never published a peer-reviewed paper the field.

It must be grand to be allowed to make factual claims and never have to defend them. (After all, specific predictions differ. Inevitably, one will prove to be the most accurate and the others less accurate. What a perfect way to set yourself up to be able to say "see, I was right?" To deny-without-denying. Wink wink nudge nudge know what I mean.



Someone might now be itching to say "but Greta hasn't published either." Here's what that person somehow failed to understand: Greta isn't saying the people who did publish are wrong, like deniers are.

AGW scientists already proved their case. It's not for people who refuse to say that they are wrong to prove it for them, again. The burden of disproof is on the deniers, since they are the ones claiming the scientists are all wrong (or lying). They have to actually prove their wrong. And do that, they need to meet the climate scientists on their own turf. Not congress, not an internet board. Peer-reviewed papers. They can't. That's why they evade their natural duty at every opportunity.

Jesus.


How transparently dishonest.

But thats the SOP with Heartland.
 
Jesus.


How transparently dishonest.

But thats the SOP with Heartland.

I suppose one didn't need to say any more than that they called Gore a hypocrite for flying, attacked Greta for taking a boat to avoid emissions ("it's a stunt!"), and then attacked her when she did take an airplane.
 
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[h=1]The “anti-Greta” Thunberg debuts on Fox News with a message of hope for young people.[/h][FONT=&quot]It is nice to see this. Unlike high-school dropout Greta Thunberg, Naomi Seibt is an accelerated student and has a background in science and psychology. She received a degree in BA (Business Administration). She went to St. Mauritz School and won first place in the youth competition research in physics. She graduated from high school…
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For climate skeptics, it’s hard to compete with the youthful appeal of global phenomenon Greta Thunberg. But one U.S. think tank hopes it’s found an answer: the anti-Greta. Naomi Seibt is a 19-year-old German who, like Greta, is blond, eloquent and European. But Naomi denounces “climate alarmism,” calls climate consciousness “a despicably anti-human ideology,” and has even deployed Greta’s now famous “How dare you?” line to take on the mainstream German media. “She’s a fantastic voice for free markets and for climate realism,” said James Taylor, director of the Arthur B. Robinson Center for Climate and Environmental Policy at the Heartland Institute, an influential libertarian think tank in suburban Chicago that has the ear of the Trump administration.

In December, Heartland headlined Naomi at its forum at the UN climate conference in Madrid, where Taylor described her as “the star” of the show. Last month, Heartland hired Naomi as the young face of its campaign to question the scientific consensus that human activity is causing dangerous global warming. “Naomi Seibt vs. Greta Thunberg: whom should we trust?” asked Heartland in a digital video. Later this week, Naomi is set to make her American debut at the Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, a high-profile annual gathering just outside Washington of right-leaning activists. . . . Brookie added: “The tactic is intended to create an equivalency in spokespeople and message. In this case, it is a false equivalency between a message based in climate science that went viral organically and a message based in climate skepticism trying to catch up using paid promotion.”



[Cont.]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/clim...outuber-campaigning-against-climate-alarmism/

Now, do you think the AGW deniers who dishonestly attacked Greta by trying to suggest she has no agency - that she didn't think of activism on her own but was manipulated into it by shadowy liberal forces - are going to say the same thing about Ms. Seib?

:thinking

Nope. They'll be saying some version of "you should listen to her because you listened to Greta. But because we always need to have our cake and eat it too, we will simultaneously REFUSE to explain why our prior refusal to listen to Greta should not also require us to ignore Seibt."

As for Seibt herself....
"Naomi said her political activism was sparked a few years ago when she began asking questions in school about Germany’s liberal immigration policies."

She didn't like immigrants, so she glommed onto the right. Then she got pulled into other right wing ideas. After all, if you find yourself saying "the left is wrong about this and that", you might lazily decide that the left must be wrong about everything. Or maybe just pretend it is for imaginary political points.

It just so happens this is similar to how American denierism showed its mug.
Left-lean politicians were the first to start listening to climate scientists about AGW specifically, and start considering policies. Gore made himself a focal point AND had the temerity to run for POTUS, making it inevitable. The GOP had swallowed Gingrich's "Permanent Republican Majority" poison pill. They had already embraced the ideal of always obstructing the left for the sake of power. So naturally, when the left started listening to climate scientists, the right made a show of not listening.

Denierism is purely political.

I'm sorry but this brainwashed from birth child gets to set how humanity continues to exist ? No .... just no :(
 
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