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Jack Hays said:
Actually, the one who has been suckered is you. The idea that something as relatively insubstantial as a surface ice sheet would somehow block the immense power of tectonic plate movement and resulting volcanism is a fairy tale.
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For Christ's sake Jack. The amounts of heat coming from this volcanism is usually measured in tens of milliwatts. And it is often under hundreds or even thousands of meters of ice. Is this really that hard for you to understand?

You still haven't been able to show where any of these papers you C&P about volcanoes have any real evidence that it is the geothermal heat that is warming any of Antarctica more than AGW is. Even your hero Anthony Watts won't directly claim this. It is because he knows it is not true.

Or maybe you can show me the evidence or a scientist's quote to back up this BS.

:lamo J.K.
 
PoS said:
Wrong. I was pointing to the fact that there are volcanoes there. I could care less what some quack's claims are- notice he is quoted as saying "could" three times in the same statement- which means he isnt sure and is just spewing his opinion.

You obviously have a hard time sorting fact from opinion. The one fact in that article is that there are active volcanoes there, thats it.
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That is not the claim you made that I am calling you out on. It was this:

PoS said:
It's not climate change thats causing the Antarctic ice to melt, its volcanoes.
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Your link refutes this false assertion. And I would be very surprised if you could find anything significant to support it either.
 
Jack Hays said:
Actually, the one who has been suckered is you. The idea that something as relatively insubstantial as a surface ice sheet would somehow block the immense power of tectonic plate movement and resulting volcanism is a fairy tale.
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Are you still harping on these imaginary volcanoes? :doh
 
Buzz said:
For Christ's sake Jack. The amounts of heat coming from this volcanism is usually measured in tens of milliwatts. And it is often under hundreds or even thousands of meters of ice. Is this really that hard for you to understand?

You still haven't been able to show where any of these papers you C&P about volcanoes have any real evidence that it is the geothermal heat that is warming any of Antarctica more than AGW is. Even your hero Anthony Watts won't directly claim this. It is because he knows it is not true.

Or maybe you can show me the evidence or a scientist's quote to back up this BS.

:lamo J.K.
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Geothermal heat melts ice and warms the water.
In West Antarctica, where there are volcanoes, there is warming. In East Antarctica, where there are no volcanoes, there is no warming -- and in fact there is evidence of cooling.
I see you're not even going to try to defend the absurd claim that somehow surface ice blocks volcanic activity.
 
Jack Hays said:
Geothermal heat melts ice and warms the water.
In West Antarctica, where there are volcanoes, there is warming. In East Antarctica, where there are no volcanoes, there is no warming -- and in fact there is evidence of cooling.
I see you're not even going to try to defend the absurd claim that somehow surface ice blocks volcanic activity.
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No cooling. But I see lots of evidence of fooling.
 
calamity said:
No cooling. But I see lots of evidence of fooling.
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[h=2]Majority Of East Antarctic Stations Show Cooling Or Stable Temperature Trends[/h]By P Gosselin on 31. January 2020
By Kirye and Pierre Gosselin A few days ago we looked at the Antarctic peninsula stations and saw that over the past 2 decades 13 of 13 of these stations showed cooling trends. Today we look at 12 stations located at the eastern side of Antarctica, where temperatures are colder: Below the stations’ data from […]
 
Jack Hays said:
Geothermal heat melts ice and warms the water.
In West Antarctica, where there are volcanoes, there is warming. In East Antarctica, where there are no volcanoes, there is no warming -- and in fact there is evidence of cooling.
I see you're not even going to try to defend the absurd claim that somehow surface ice blocks volcanic activity.
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Damn Jack! You just don't get it.

I have shown you areas of warming with no volcanic activity and areas with volcanoes but no warming. If there really was a connection like you keep claiming then there would be scientific parers that show it. The problem is... science doesn't find it. And you can't show anything that does... either.

And do you realize that if geothermal energy is not blocked by hundreds or thousands of meters of ice then scientists would not have had to use methods other than measuring the heat energy to find them?
 
Buzz said:
Damn Jack! You just don't get it.

I have shown you areas of warming with no volcanic activity and areas with volcanoes but no warming. If there really was a connection like you keep claiming then there would be scientific parers that show it. The problem is... science doesn't find it. And you can't show anything that does... either.

And do you realize that if geothermal energy is not blocked by hundreds or thousands of meters of ice then scientists would not have had to use methods other than measuring the heat energy to find them?
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I'm afraid it's you who doesn't get it. The places you cited to claim warming without volcanoes are in fact quite close to volcanoes. There is no warming in Antarctica in places without volcanoes.
The geothermal energy melts ice and warms water -- warming too often misattributed to AGW.
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm afraid it's you who doesn't get it. The places you cited to claim warming without volcanoes are in fact quite close to volcanoes. There is no warming in Antarctica in places without volcanoes.
The geothermal energy melts ice and warms water -- warming too often misattributed to AGW.
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I hope you know East Antarctica is 6000 to 10,000 feet above sea level. Hence, the ice there is still somewhat frozen. The West is all below 6000 feet, and ice there is melting like the cubes in a glass of scotch.

The warming has absolutely Nothing to do with volcanoes. And, I suspect you know it.
 
calamity said:
I hope you know East Antarctica is 6000 to 10,000 feet above sea level. Hence, the ice there is still somewhat frozen. The West is all below 6000 feet, and ice there is melting like the cubes in a glass of scotch.

The warming has absolutely Nothing to do with volcanoes. And, I suspect you know it.
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On the contrary. It's all about the volcanoes.

Follow the reasoning, either a trace gas 10 kilometers up is causing some spots of Antarctica to warm and other parts to cool, or hot magma at 1,200C is. What’s more likely?
Antarctic ice is warming in West Antarctica and the Peninsula, but not over most of East Antarctica.
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Antarctic Ice Loss Tripled, from near zero to an extremely tiny number! (Nobody mention those volcanoes)


Quick — tax the magma
It’s another round of Antarctic Doom about next to nothing. In April Antarctica’s ice was melting five times faster than usual. Now it’s losing ice three times faster in the last five years than the 15 before that! What you won’t hear is how the Antarctic ice cap has 29 million cubic kilometers of ice and has been there for 30 million, mostly warmer, years. You also won’t hear how Antarctica was warmer in Roman Times, or that the Antarctic Peninsula has cooled by almost 1 degree.
You also won’t hear a word about any volcanoes
The new paper has zero mentions of the word. But other scientists have published plenty of papers describing how the West Antarctic zone is being warmed from below by 1200 degrees of magma. According to scientist Dustin Schroeder and co, it is as if the Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctic is sitting on a “stovetop burner”.[1] His words. Thwaites Glacier,, smack in the middle of the warming is being melted from below by geothermal heat. Then there is the large blob of superheated rock 60 miles below West Antarctica. The researchers use the phrase “like a blow-torch”…. Capping it off, only [...]
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm afraid it's you who doesn't get it. The places you cited to claim warming without volcanoes are in fact quite close to volcanoes. There is no warming in Antarctica in places without volcanoes.
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This is just not true. There are numerous areas with substantial warming that are hundreds of miles away from volcanoes.

Jack Hays said:
The geothermal energy melts ice and warms water -- warming too often misattributed to AGW.
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Prove it. Show me some areas of the surface of Antarctica where there is geothermal melting. Or hot spots of meltwater. Not just a hot spot or two. Show me the vast areas of geothermal caused melting.

You can't do it because they don't exist.
 
Buzz said:
This is just not true. There are numerous areas with substantial warming that are hundreds of miles away from volcanoes.



Prove it. Show me some areas of the surface of Antarctica where there is geothermal melting. Or hot spots of meltwater. Not just a hot spot or two. Show me the vast areas of geothermal caused melting.

You can't do it because they don't exist.
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Please see the graphic in #61.
 
Buzz said:
Quote the part where it says that the warming is from goethermal energy.
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In the link in #61:

". . . According to scientist Dustin Schroeder and co, it is as if the Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctic is sitting on a “stovetop burner”.[SUP][1] [/SUP]His words. Thwaites Glacier,, smack in the middle of the warming is being melted from below by geothermal heat. Then there is the large blob of superheated rock 60 miles below West Antarctica. The researchers use the phrase “like a blow-torch”…. Capping it off, only last year 91 new volcanoes were discovered2km underneath the West Antarctic Rift. That’s new, as in, we didn’t know they were there. . . . "
 
Jack Hays said:
In the link in #61:

". . . According to scientist Dustin Schroeder and co, it is as if the Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctic is sitting on a “stovetop burner”.[SUP][1] [/SUP]His words. Thwaites Glacier,, smack in the middle of the warming is being melted from below by geothermal heat. Then there is the large blob of superheated rock 60 miles below West Antarctica. The researchers use the phrase “like a blow-torch”…. Capping it off, only last year 91 new volcanoes were discovered2km underneath the West Antarctic Rift. That’s new, as in, we didn’t know they were there. . . . "
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There is nothing there saying that this volcanic activity is warming all of West Antarctica.

Sorry... try again.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Now you're just denying. I don't honor that.
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Yeah... just run away Jack. We all knew you wouldn't be able to come up with anything anyway.

Oh... and "spooky coincidence"??

:lamo

Is that a new scientific standard I have never heard about?

:lamo

JoNova is just taking advantage of your ignorance of science and making you think something without any real evidence.
 
Buzz said:
Yeah... just run away Jack. We all knew you wouldn't be able to come up with anything anyway.

Oh... and "spooky coincidence"??

:lamo

Is that a new scientific standard I have never heard about?

:lamo

JoNova is just taking advantage of your ignorance of science and making you think something without any real evidence.
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This is how I know the AGW paradigm is crumbling. Your argument is mere denial, and I detect that you yourself are suffering a crisis of faith. Your doubts will only get stronger.
 
Jack Hays said:
This is how I know the AGW paradigm is crumbling. Your argument is mere denial, and I detect that you yourself are suffering a crisis of faith. Your doubts will only get stronger.
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Oh Please... cut the passive-aggressive BS and stick to the challenge at hand. If you are so sure of yourself and the junk you C&P around here you should be able to come up with something better than a "spooky coincidence".
 
Buzz said:
Oh Please... cut the passive-aggressive BS and stick to the challenge at hand. If you are so sure of yourself and the junk you C&P around here you should be able to come up with something better than a "spooky coincidence".
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It's enough.
 
Buzz said:
Maybe for you. But science demands a lot more.

I knew you wouldn't be able to come up with anything credible.
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I'm comfortable with the scientific descriptions "stovetop burner" and "like a blowtorch." Enjoy your denial for as long as you can. When you have to give it up that will probably be painful.
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm comfortable with the scientific descriptions "stovetop burner" and "like a blowtorch." Enjoy your denial for as long as you can. When you have to give it up that will probably be painful.
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WOW!! You just refuse to get it.

Let me try to explain it again in a manner you might understand.

If all these newly discovered volcanoes are the real cause of West Antarctic's warming and can be like a stovetop burner or blowtorch then we should be able to detect this heat on the surface. But we can't. These volcanoes were found with methods other than temperature readings. They don't put off even enough heat to warm the surface much less the air above it. If they did... we would be able to see it.

Why can you not see this? Or do you just refuse to see it?
 
Buzz said:
WOW!! You just refuse to get it.

Let me try to explain it again in a manner you might understand.

If all these newly discovered volcanoes are the real cause of West Antarctic's warming and can be like a stovetop burner or blowtorch then we should be able to detect this heat on the surface. But we can't. These volcanoes were found with methods other than temperature readings. They don't put off even enough heat to warm the surface much less the air above it. If they did... we would be able to see it.

Why can you not see this? Or do you just refuse to see it?
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They melt the ice and warm the water. Where there are volcanoes there is warming. Where there are no volcanoes there is no warming.
 
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