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...as the world has warmed over the past few decades, satellites have been watching the Arctic get greener...

Vegetation is darker than snow, and therefore absorbs more heat, further exacerbating the thaw of the soil.

Thawing permafrost is one of the most dreaded climate feedback loops. Permafrost contains thousands of years of accumulated carbon in the form of plant material. A thaw—perhaps exacerbated by more abundant vegetation—threatens to release more CO2 and methane into the atmosphere. More carbon in the atmosphere means more warming, which means more permafrost thaw, ad infinitum...

The Arctic Is Getting Greener. That'''s Bad News for All of Us | WIRED

Saying this is not good would be an understatement. Saying that global warming is a hoax is willful blindness. Predicting that we are in deep trouble is probably the best card to play right now.
 
Saying this is not good would be an understatement. Saying that global warming is a hoax is willful blindness. Predicting that we are in deep trouble is probably the best card to play right now.
Do you understand the contradiction in the statement,
Vegetation is darker than snow, and therefore absorbs more heat, further exacerbating the thaw of the soil.

Thawing permafrost is one of the most dreaded climate feedback loops. Permafrost contains thousands of years of accumulated carbon in the form of plant material.
If there are thousands of years of accumulated carbon in the form of plant material, would not there have to be
thousands of years of plants? and if there were thousands of years of plants, then there was already plants there instead of snow!
 
Saying this is not good would be an understatement. Saying that global warming is a hoax is willful blindness. Predicting that we are in deep trouble is probably the best card to play right now.

Greenland, and presumably the rest of the Arctic lands were a lot warmer in the past. Like +3c. So given nothing bad happened then why do you think it is going to be so bad now?
 
Do you understand the contradiction in the statement,

If there are thousands of years of accumulated carbon in the form of plant material, would not there have to be
thousands of years of plants? and if there were thousands of years of plants, then there was already plants there instead of snow!

Yeah thousands of years ago. :doh
 
Greenland, and presumably the rest of the Arctic lands were a lot warmer in the past. Like +3c. So given nothing bad happened then why do you think it is going to be so bad now?

Are you serious?


Yes, you probably are. :doh
 
Yeah thousands of years ago. :doh
Are you sure, why not last season?
Here is a street view on the road to Prudhoe Bay, that stuff sticking out of the snow is grass,
and without a doubt the ground underneath grass is permafrost.
Google Maps
 
Saying this is not good would be an understatement. Saying that global warming is a hoax is willful blindness. Predicting that we are in deep trouble is probably the best card to play right now.

Why bother to worry about the climate craze? AOC already told us it was going to end the world in less than 11 years now. No way we get rid of carbon fuels by then unless we use candles and mules.
Has anyone told the Obama's to put their home on the coast up for sale before it's under water?
 
A new result about the Arctic. Much less warming ahead.

[h=2]“Arctic Surprise…Sensational Study In Nature”: Large Part Of 20th Century Warming Attributed To CFCs![/h]By P Gosselin on 19. February 2020
[h=2]Arctic Surprise[/h]By Professor Fritz Vahrenholt
A few days ago, an international research group from the USA, Canada and Switzerland led by Lorenzo Polvani of Columbia University (New York) published a sensational study in Nature climate change, which attributes a large part of the warming of the 20th century to CFCs (“Substantial twentieth-century Arctic warming caused by ozone-depleting substances“).
Using 10 climate models, the researchers calculated the global and Arctic temperature development, once with CFCs in the atmosphere and once without.
According to these models, from 1955 to 2005, global temperatures increase by 0.59 °C with CFCs and by 0.39 °C without CFCs. One third of the warming is therefore not caused by CO2 but by the CFCs.
If the remaining warming for CO2 is converted over the five decades, an average warming of 0.08 °C per decade remains. Not exactly a lot. CFCs have a 19000-23000 times stronger forcing than CO2.
Half of Arctic warming due to CFCs

In the Arctic, the CFCs had an even greater impact in the model calculations. As is well known, the warming there from 1955 to 2005 was greater than on a global scale, by 1.59 °C in the models. According to Polvani, without CFCs the increase would have been only 0.82°C, i.e. only half as much.
Half of Arctic melt due to CFCs
The same applies to sea ice. According to Polvani, half of the decrease in the area of Arctic sea ice in September (the smallest extent of Arctic sea ice in each case) is thus attributable to CFCs. The other way round: only a maximum of half of the warming and the decline of the sea ice can be attributed to CO2.
Authors asked to edit conclusion
The authors conclude that the decrease of CFCs in the air due to the prohibition of the substances will substantially defuse the warming and the decrease of ice in the future. It is interesting that these clear conclusions called mainstream scientists to the scene. Piers Forster of the University of Leeds and John Fyfe of the Canadian University of Victoria asked the authors to change the sentence in the conclusion from “CFCs produce 1/3 of global warming and half of Arctic climate change” to “CFCs are an important contribution to the global climate system, especially in the Arctic”.
The numbers remain, but the interpretation is clouded because it would cause too much sensation. That’s how climate science framing works today.
 
Yes, so what can you argue and explain why there is a bad side of this?

How many people were living in giant cities along the sea shore thousands of years ago?


Take your time.
 
A new result about the Arctic. Much less warming ahead.

[h=2]“Arctic Surprise…Sensational Study In Nature”: Large Part Of 20th Century Warming Attributed To CFCs![/h]By P Gosselin on 19. February 2020
[h=2]Arctic Surprise[/h]By Professor Fritz Vahrenholt
A few days ago, an international research group from the USA, Canada and Switzerland led by Lorenzo Polvani of Columbia University (New York) published a sensational study in Nature climate change, which attributes a large part of the warming of the 20th century to CFCs (“Substantial twentieth-century Arctic warming caused by ozone-depleting substances“).
Using 10 climate models, the researchers calculated the global and Arctic temperature development, once with CFCs in the atmosphere and once without.
According to these models, from 1955 to 2005, global temperatures increase by 0.59 °C with CFCs and by 0.39 °C without CFCs. One third of the warming is therefore not caused by CO2 but by the CFCs.
If the remaining warming for CO2 is converted over the five decades, an average warming of 0.08 °C per decade remains. Not exactly a lot. CFCs have a 19000-23000 times stronger forcing than CO2.
Half of Arctic warming due to CFCs

In the Arctic, the CFCs had an even greater impact in the model calculations. As is well known, the warming there from 1955 to 2005 was greater than on a global scale, by 1.59 °C in the models. According to Polvani, without CFCs the increase would have been only 0.82°C, i.e. only half as much.
Half of Arctic melt due to CFCs
The same applies to sea ice. According to Polvani, half of the decrease in the area of Arctic sea ice in September (the smallest extent of Arctic sea ice in each case) is thus attributable to CFCs. The other way round: only a maximum of half of the warming and the decline of the sea ice can be attributed to CO2.
Authors asked to edit conclusion
The authors conclude that the decrease of CFCs in the air due to the prohibition of the substances will substantially defuse the warming and the decrease of ice in the future. It is interesting that these clear conclusions called mainstream scientists to the scene. Piers Forster of the University of Leeds and John Fyfe of the Canadian University of Victoria asked the authors to change the sentence in the conclusion from “CFCs produce 1/3 of global warming and half of Arctic climate change” to “CFCs are an important contribution to the global climate system, especially in the Arctic”.
The numbers remain, but the interpretation is clouded because it would cause too much sensation. That’s how climate science framing works today.

More lies from some debunked CT site.
 
Why bother to worry about the climate craze? AOC already told us it was going to end the world in less than 11 years now. No way we get rid of carbon fuels by then unless we use candles and mules.
Has anyone told the Obama's to put their home on the coast up for sale before it's under water?

Can you cite that quote, please?
 
WUWT, notrickzone, judithcurry...more like find a hack and spam.

Stop dodging and ducking. This is the paper.


Substantial twentieth-century Arctic warming caused ... - Nature

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by LM Polvani - ‎2020
Jan 20, 2020 - Because ODS have provided a substantial fraction (24%) of global total anthropogenic RF over the second half of the twentieth century, one is ...

[h=1]Substantial twentieth-century Arctic warming caused by ozone-depleting substances[/h]
Nature Climate Change volume 10, pages130–133(2020)Cite this article



[h=2]Abstract[/h]The rapid warming of the Arctic, perhaps the most striking evidence of climate change, is believed to have arisen from increases in atmospheric concentrations of GHGs1 since the Industrial Revolution. While the dominant role of carbon dioxide is undisputed, another important set of anthropogenic GHGs was also being emitted over the second half of the twentieth century: ozone-depleting2 substances (ODS). These compounds, in addition to causing the ozone hole over Antarctica, have long been recognized3 as powerful GHGs. However, their contribution to Arctic warming has not been quantified. We do so here by analysing ensembles of climate model integrations specifically designed for this purpose, spanning the period 1955–2005 when atmospheric concentrations of ODS increased rapidly. We show that, when ODS are kept fixed, forced Arctic surface warming and forced sea-ice loss are only half as large as when ODS are allowed to increase. We also demonstrate that the large impact of ODS on the Arctic occurs primarily via direct radiative warming, not via ozone depletion. Our findings reveal a substantial contribution of ODS to recent Arctic warming, and highlight the importance of the Montreal Protocol as a major climate change-mitigation treaty.


 
How many people were living in giant cities along the sea shore thousands of years ago?


Take your time.

Er.. humans have always generally cited thier cites on the shore.

But what has that to do with this issue? Do you think a less than 2 feet sea level rise will be impossible for any city in the world to cope with over the next 80 years? If so which one?
 
Destabilizing natural methane reserves is not a big climate risk, because the timescales are long and most gets oxidized before reaching the atmosphere. [link]
 
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