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So, instead of meekly bowing to Paris Climate Accord, and Whiny Greta, our realistic programs encouraging fracking, increased oil and gas exploration and opening new land for exploration apparently is working;

We lead all countries in CO2 emission reduction since leaving Paris Accord

Despite shrieks of terror from the left about how President Donald Trump’s presidency threatens the existence of Earth and thus mankind, the fact is that under his leadership, America continues to lead the world in total emissions decline.
“The United States saw the largest decline in energy-related CO2 emissions in 2019 on a country basis — a fall of 140 [million tons], or 2.9%, to 4.8 gigatons],” the Paris-based International Energy Agency revealed in a report Tuesday.
The entire European Union, which consists of 28 nations, meanwhile only lowered emissions by 160 million tons total, or roughly 5.71 megatons per nation.
These new findings suggest that the shock and trepidation that followed the president’s decision three years ago to withdraw the United States from the Paris climate change accord was misguided, especially when you factor in that every country in the E.U. is still in the pact.
 
Are you suggesting that increasing the use of fossil fuels makes CO2 emissions go down?
 
So, instead of meekly bowing to Paris Climate Accord, and Whiny Greta, our realistic programs encouraging fracking, increased oil and gas exploration and opening new land for exploration apparently is working;

We lead all countries in CO2 emission reduction since leaving Paris Accord

But meanwhile, Trump kisses Turkey's ass and bows down to Saudi Arabia. We are far from number one with the moron in the White House.

Report: Barr Protected Turkish Bank From Prosecution to Appease Erdogan

Ivanka Trump applauds Saudi Arabia’s reforms advancing economic role for women

So, pat yourself on the back for showing those Frenchies whose boss. :roll:
 
So, instead of meekly bowing to Paris Climate Accord, and Whiny Greta, our realistic programs encouraging fracking, increased oil and gas exploration and opening new land for exploration apparently is working;

We lead all countries in CO2 emission reduction since leaving Paris Accord

Gosh, you'd think you'd be impressed with Burisma then.
They led the fracking push in Ukraine. They had a much different reason, lessening dependence on Russia.
You'll never guess who encouraged them, and much of EU, to pursue fracking for the same reason...not in a million years.
I personally find this person rather repellent but when you're right, you're right, even if you have issues in other areas.
 
Gosh, you'd think you'd be impressed with Burisma then.
They led the fracking push in Ukraine. They had a much different reason, lessening dependence on Russia.
You'll never guess who encouraged them, and much of EU, to pursue fracking for the same reason...not in a million years.
I personally find this person rather repellent but when you're right, you're right, even if you have issues in other areas.
Logic and reasoning aren't in hour wheelhouse are they? Fracking isn't a "get out of jail free" card. Corruption is still corruption. Paying the Vice President's kid exorbitant amounts is still questionable if not criminal.
 
People see me defending leftist ideas and don't believe I am a centrist who also harbors rightist ideas.

Here is one: global warming is a problem, sure. The environment is important, sure. But until the time when clean sources of energy truly and fully replace fossil fuels, we must continue to frack and drill, and while I support research and investments being encouraged for clean energy, the time when the full substitution is achievable is very far away. Geopolitical issues make it essential to be as close to energy independence as possible, for reasons up to and including national security. Energy moves the world; civilization would collapse without energy; energy is needed even to run the military (try to fly those fighter jets, drive those tanks, and sail those navy ships without energy), and we simply can't afford to depend on other countries, including the Middle East messy countries and Russia, to get our energy. Not economically, and not militarily. In case of serious conflict, if we had no domestic sources of oil and gas, enemies would simply cut us off and we wouldn't even be able to run the military. That's exactly why we have what is called strategic reserves. The world out there is tough. We need to be prepared. Not to forget, if we were truly and completely independent from Middle East oil, we would be a lot less entangled in those quagmires out there.

The idea of replacement is neat but is still very distant. Sure, nuclear is cleaner than fossil as far as global warming goes, but it is also problematic due to radioactive waste. And substitution is very difficult. I remember reading that to replace what the Japanese lost when their coastal nuclear reactor had that accident, if they were to replace the loss of energy feeding Tokyo from the reactor with clean energy, they would need to cover the entire 13,500 square kilometers of Tokyo's metropolitan area with solar panels and they still wouldn't be sufficient. I mean, cover like in a big continuous surface, not just on top of buildings. Like in totally covering it so that no sun ray would reach the city's surface, anywhere. On the other hand, a fossil fuel plant could easily replace the nuclear generator's energy.

What's the point of preserving the environment if much before its possible collapse, we got entangled in unwinnable wars or got into economic collapse?

So, sorry environmentalists, but drill, baby, drill!

Once science and infrastructure provide for full replacement, then I'm totally for shutting down the drills and the fracking probes. But again, we're still very, very far from it, so we have no choice but to continue to produce and refine fossil fuels.
 
Logic and reasoning aren't in hour wheelhouse are they? Fracking isn't a "get out of jail free" card. Corruption is still corruption. Paying the Vice President's kid exorbitant amounts is still questionable if not criminal.

And you're sure that the entire EU AND Ukraine are wrong, and Trump is right.

[h=1]Envoys pushed to oust Ukraine prosecutor before Biden[/h]EU and US officials dispute Trump’s claim former vice-president acted to protect son


Who's having trouble with logic and reasoning again? :lamo
 
People see me defending leftist ideas and don't believe I am a centrist who also harbors rightist ideas.

Here is one: global warming is a problem, sure. The environment is important, sure. But until the time when clean sources of energy truly and fully replace fossil fuels, we must continue to frack and drill, and while I support research and investments being encouraged for clean energy, the time when the full substitution is achievable is very far away. Geopolitical issues make it essential to be as close to energy independence as possible, for reasons up to and including national security. Energy moves the world; civilization would collapse without energy; energy is needed even to run the military (try to fly those fighter jets, drive those tanks, and sail those navy ships without energy), and we simply can't afford to depend on other countries, including the Middle East messy countries and Russia, to get our energy. Not economically, and not militarily. In case of serious conflict, if we had no domestic sources of oil and gas, enemies would simply cut us off and we wouldn't even be able to run the military. That's exactly why we have what is called strategic reserves. The world out there is tough. We need to be prepared. Not to forget, if we were truly and completely independent from Middle East oil, we would be a lot less entangled in those quagmires out there.

The idea of replacement is neat but is still very distant. Sure, nuclear is cleaner than fossil as far as global warming goes, but it is also problematic due to radioactive waste. And substitution is very difficult. I remember reading that to replace what the Japanese lost when their coastal nuclear reactor had that accident, if they were to replace the loss of energy feeding Tokyo from the reactor with clean energy, they would need to cover the entire 13,500 square kilometers of Tokyo's metropolitan area with solar panels and they still wouldn't be sufficient. I mean, cover like in a big continuous surface, not just on top of buildings. Like in totally covering it so that no sun ray would reach the city's surface, anywhere. On the other hand, a fossil fuel plant could easily replace the nuclear generator's energy.

What's the point of preserving the environment if much before its possible collapse, we got entangled in unwinnable wars or got into economic collapse?

So, sorry environmentalists, but drill, baby, drill!

Once science and infrastructure provides for full replacement, then I'm totally for shutting down the drills and the fracking probes. But again, we're still very, very far from it, so we have no choice but to continue to produce and refine fossil fuels.

Fracking in the USA was and still is almost entirely unregulated because Cheney made sure of that.
In the EU, fracking is heavily regulated from an environmental and safety point of view.
 
Fracking in the USA was and still is almost entirely unregulated because Cheney made sure of that.
In the EU, fracking is heavily regulated from an environmental and safety point of view.

Well, then, let's implement some regulations, but by all means, let's continue to frack and drill. We have no choice. Fossil fuels are nasty, sure, but currently we have no means to fully replace them. It's as simple as that.

All the people here who scream against fossil fuels wouldn't like long blackouts with spoiled food and extreme temperatures if we couldn't get heating or cooling, huge production shortages in our factories and consequently exploding inflation, transportation chaos without gasoline making commute to work practically impossible in large cities, hospitals unable to operate on people without electricity, and so on and so forth. Social order would break down and we'd have spiking crime and looting.

And we wouldn't be posting here, LOL. The Internet would go down too, without electricity.

I'd like to see, if the United States faced a huge energy crisis like that due to some abrupt shortage of fossil fuels for whatever reason, how many environmentalists would still be against the fossil fuels if we found a way to bring them back in order to restore life as usual and economic health.
 
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U.S. CO2 emissions have been generally in decline since 2008 or so.

Giving Trump credit for this year's decline is ridiculous.
Tell that to the people that created the link. Seem like there was all kinds of outrage when Trump pulled out of Paris Accord, and yet we lead the world.
 
Well, then, let's implement some regulations, but by all means, let's continue to frack and drill. We have no choice. Fossil fuels are nasty, sure, but currently we have no means to fully replace them.

Understood, I was simply pointing out that while fracking has a fair amount of undesirable issues, they are somewhat minimized when proper safety and enviro-regs are implemented.

"The Halliburton Loophole"

There's no such thing as a Halliburton Loophole anywhere else in the Western world.
Elsewhere, fracking is subjected to rigorous monitoring and safety regs, and strict attention is paid to environmental concerns.
And as I mentioned before, despite the issues with fracking, it is still viewed as a necessary hedge against abusive Russian practices and overall petro-hegemony.

Without fracking, all of Europe would be subjected to weaponized pressure from the "gas station masquerading as a country".
 
Understood, I was simply pointing out that while fracking has a fair amount of undesirable issues, they are somewhat minimized when proper safety and enviro-regs are implemented.

"The Halliburton Loophole"

There's no such thing as a Halliburton Loophole anywhere else in the Western world.
Elsewhere, fracking is subjected to rigorous monitoring and safety regs, and strict attention is paid to environmental concerns.
And as I mentioned before, despite the issues with fracking, it is still viewed as a necessary hedge against abusive Russian practices and overall petro-hegemony.

Without fracking, all of Europe would be subjected to weaponized pressure from the "gas station masquerading as a country".

Exactly. I'm happy that a certified leftist like you sees it too. But sure, I'm for more regulations and more safety.
 
Exactly. I'm happy that a certified leftist like you sees it too. But sure, I'm for more regulations and more safety.

I suspect it will take specific action in Congress to overturn the Halliburton Loophole, and given the current cast of characters, chances are nil.
What will it take?
Well, like Pintero sez in "Enemy of the State":

"The end of the world."

end of the world.jpg
 
Still not the topic, Cal. And I doubt Mother Jones bull**** ever will be.

You claimed we are "number one." I pointed out that Trump has made us the bitch of at least two other countries. Of course, I never expected you would understand. But, now, you have no excuse to not at least know.
 
People see me defending leftist ideas and don't believe I am a centrist who also harbors rightist ideas.

Here is one: global warming is a problem, sure. The environment is important, sure. But until the time when clean sources of energy truly and fully replace fossil fuels, we must continue to frack and drill, and while I support research and investments being encouraged for clean energy, the time when the full substitution is achievable is very far away. Geopolitical issues make it essential to be as close to energy independence as possible, for reasons up to and including national security. Energy moves the world; civilization would collapse without energy; energy is needed even to run the military (try to fly those fighter jets, drive those tanks, and sail those navy ships without energy), and we simply can't afford to depend on other countries, including the Middle East messy countries and Russia, to get our energy. Not economically, and not militarily. In case of serious conflict, if we had no domestic sources of oil and gas, enemies would simply cut us off and we wouldn't even be able to run the military. That's exactly why we have what is called strategic reserves. The world out there is tough. We need to be prepared. Not to forget, if we were truly and completely independent from Middle East oil, we would be a lot less entangled in those quagmires out there.

The idea of replacement is neat but is still very distant. Sure, nuclear is cleaner than fossil as far as global warming goes, but it is also problematic due to radioactive waste. And substitution is very difficult. I remember reading that to replace what the Japanese lost when their coastal nuclear reactor had that accident, if they were to replace the loss of energy feeding Tokyo from the reactor with clean energy, they would need to cover the entire 13,500 square kilometers of Tokyo's metropolitan area with solar panels and they still wouldn't be sufficient. I mean, cover like in a big continuous surface, not just on top of buildings. Like in totally covering it so that no sun ray would reach the city's surface, anywhere. On the other hand, a fossil fuel plant could easily replace the nuclear generator's energy.

What's the point of preserving the environment if much before its possible collapse, we got entangled in unwinnable wars or got into economic collapse?

So, sorry environmentalists, but drill, baby, drill!

Once science and infrastructure provide for full replacement, then I'm totally for shutting down the drills and the fracking probes. But again, we're still very, very far from it, so we have no choice but to continue to produce and refine fossil fuels.

Nuclear power is literally the safest form of power that exists. Replacing nuclear power with anything else objectively kills more people, not less.

Full substitution is achievable, and it does take time. Which is an argument for starting immediately, not waiting.
 
Understood, I was simply pointing out that while fracking has a fair amount of undesirable issues, they are somewhat minimized when proper safety and enviro-regs are implemented.

"The Halliburton Loophole"

There's no such thing as a Halliburton Loophole anywhere else in the Western world.
Elsewhere, fracking is subjected to rigorous monitoring and safety regs, and strict attention is paid to environmental concerns.
And as I mentioned before, despite the issues with fracking, it is still viewed as a necessary hedge against abusive Russian practices and overall petro-hegemony.

Without fracking, all of Europe would be subjected to weaponized pressure from the "gas station masquerading as a country".

"Proper enviro-regs" are not implemented or enforced. The amount of methane released is so poorly monitored that the EPA straight up doesn't know how much is entering the atmosphere.
 
Increased use of natural gas increases CO2 emissions.

It emits about 1/2 the CO2 as coal, but the leaking of CH4 is a problem. Methane is roughly a 100x worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.

Emissions from smokestacks and tailpipes, however, do not tell the full story.

The drilling and extraction of natural gas from wells and its transportation in pipelines results in the leakage of methane, primary component of natural gas that is 34 times stronger than CO2 at trapping heat over a 100-year period and 86 times stronger over 20 years [3]. Preliminary studies and field measurements show that these so-called “fugitive” methane emissions range from 1 to 9 percent of total life cycle emissions [4].

Environmental Impacts of Natural Gas | Union of Concerned Scientists

Of course, many deniers deny this clear fact.
 
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