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Earth just had its hottest January in recorded history

ludin said:
again this is just temp in January it is weather not climate.
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“again this is just temp in January it is weather not climate.”

I did not say it wasn’t. You said “the record is only…200 years old…” “and highly inaccurate…” “…a climate
pattern can last thousands of years 200 isn't that big.”

which I refuted. Your reply does not address my refutation.
 
Phys251 said:
You gotta love it when the deniers can't even keep their lies straight. First we get this...



and then we get this:



Despite the fact that precise weather records date back to the 1800s? :lol:

Which is it, deniers? Which of your lies is the real lie?
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Even if you want to count the 1800s, that is a tiny journal for a planet that is billions of years old.
 
bluesmoke said:
“again this is just temp in January it is weather not climate.”

I did not say it wasn’t. You said “the record is only…200 years old…” “and highly inaccurate…” “…a climate
pattern can last thousands of years 200 isn't that big.”

which I refuted. Your reply does not address my refutation.
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I didn't say that it was inaccurate i said that taking 200 year trend when climate patterns can last thousands of years
is not reliable.

you also have to realize that the years they are using was at the end of the little ice age. so they are starting from the bottom trough
and looking up. that is called data bias.

Medieval Warm Period - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

right now temps are pushing about the same as they were during the Medieval warming period
and just slightly higher than the warming period during the romans.

there was a warming period before that which was even higher than it is now.

all it takes is a bit of research to see that we are in what is nothing more than a normal warming phase.
how long it lasts who knows. we don't know what triggers earths warming and cooling phases although we have a good idea.

a lot of it has to do with the solar system and with the ocean currents.
along with troposphere activity and other events going on.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Just like they are told to fear the future clime, they are told we are deniers.

They are good at reciting their indoctrination.
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This day by 9AM is a dangerous 51 degrees with the forecast of a super hot day of 61 degrees. I called my doctor begging her to please hospitalize me. No doubt the hospital will put me into a tub of ice. Who can stand 61 degrees I ask you? :rofl:sun:sun:sun
 
Phys251 said:
:lamo

You haven't even made any publications against climate science, so why should ANYTHING you say about this be respected? :lol:
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I don't need respect from those who fail to comprehend the factual parts of science I discuss. Those who can follow what I say when I do get detailed, understand. I'm sorry you don't.
 
Robertinfremont said:
This day by 9AM is a dangerous 51 degrees with the forecast of a super hot day of 61 degrees. I called my doctor begging her to please hospitalize me. No doubt the hospital will put me into a tub of ice. Who can stand 61 degrees I ask you? :rofl:sun:sun:sun
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OMG...

Just buy a waterbed so you can stay cool.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I don't need respect from those who fail to comprehend the factual parts of science I discuss. Those who can follow what I say when I do get detailed, understand. I'm sorry you don't.
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Why do you like to project? :)

And I see that yet again, you fail to answer a simple question about how much weight your words carry. Let me help you: That answer is zero. :thumbs:
 
Phys251 said:
Why do you like to project? :)

And I see that yet again, you fail to answer a simple question about how much weight your words carry. Let me help you: That answer is zero. :thumbs:
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Zero in your eyes. And like I said. Your opinion doesn't mean squat to me.

You have made this about me.

Goodbye. That's not what this thread is about.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Zero in your eyes. And like I said. Your opinion doesn't mean squat to me.

You have made this about me.

Goodbye. That's not what this thread is about.
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Let me know when you are ready to finally prove that you actually know more than all research climate scientists combined. I'll be waiting. :)
 
jmotivator said:
Well, first, trees are not thermometers, and second, none of the paleorecords have a precision capable of capturing a YEARLY record, let alone a monthly record.
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False.

Just because you personally are unaware of the paleoclimate research literature and proxy records, doesn't mean they don't exist.

"Consistent multidecadal variability in global temperature reconstructions and simulations over the Common Era"

Data:
Paleo Data Search | Study | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

"Reproducible climate reconstructions of the Common Era (1 CE to present) are key to placing industrial-era warming into the context of natural climatic variability. Here we present a community-sourced database of temperature-sensitive proxy records from the PAGES2k initiative. The database gathers 692 records from 648 locations, including all continental regions and major ocean basins. The records are from trees, ice, sediment, corals, speleothems, documentary evidence, and other archives. They range in length from 50 to 2000 years, with a median of 547 years, while temporal resolution ranges from biweekly to centennial. Nearly half of the proxy time series are significantly correlated with HadCRUT4.2 surface temperature over the period 1850-2014. Global temperature composites show a remarkable degree of coherence between high- and low-resolution archives, with broadly similar patterns across archive types, terrestrial versus marine locations, and screening criteria. The database is suited to investigations of global and regional temperature variability over the Common Era, and is shared in the Linked Paleo Data (LiPD) format, including serializations in Matlab, R and Python."
 
Phys251 said:
Earth just had its hottest January in recorded history
The deniers will spin this, but they cannot ignore the facts. Only the scientific research they have published will be acceptable as a refutation to the above facts, not spammed climate-denialist blogs. :)
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Climate change cultists and false prophets suggest reasonable Americans ought to be jailed if they fight against democrat pushes to commit tens of trillions of American tax dollars to the global effort to fight weather changes and other global problems, like income inequality. The end result of cultist climate change policy if not checked will be the destruction of civilized norms in nations in the entire world.
 
ludin said:
I didn't say that it was inaccurate i said that taking 200 year trend when climate patterns can last thousands of years
is not reliable.

you also have to realize that the years they are using was at the end of the little ice age. so they are starting from the bottom trough
and looking up. that is called data bias.

Medieval Warm Period - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

right now temps are pushing about the same as they were during the Medieval warming period
and just slightly higher than the warming period during the romans.

there was a warming period before that which was even higher than it is now.

all it takes is a bit of research to see that we are in what is nothing more than a normal warming phase.
how long it lasts who knows. we don't know what triggers earths warming and cooling phases although we have a good idea.

a lot of it has to do with the solar system and with the ocean currents.
along with troposphere activity and other events going on.
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False. Your "bit of research" link leads mostly to a non-peer-reviewed book (mostly by Don Easterbrook- a known crank who has been predicting the world would be cooling for the last 2 decades)

The MWP and the Roman period were not global and not warmer than now.

This is a research paper published in Nature last year based on 692 proxies from 648 locations around the world.

No evidence for globally coherent warm and cold periods over the preindustrial Common Era

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and another research paper published in Nature Geoscience last year:

Consistent multidecadal variability in global temperature reconstructions and simulations over the Common Era


This is not a "normal warming phase"

naturegeo.JPG
 
ludin said:
... we don't know what triggers earths warming and cooling phases although we have a good idea.

a lot of it has to do with the solar system and with the ocean currents.
along with troposphere activity and other events going on.
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Yes, it's obvious YOU don't know "what triggers earths warming and cooling phases" and don't have a clue what you're talking about, but scientists do.

You could learn a lot just by spending 24 minutes watching this presentation on the earth's climate history by Professor Richard Alley at the 2015 National Academy of Sciences symposium.:

 
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Phys251 said:
Let me know when you are ready to finally prove that you actually know more than all research climate scientists combined. I'll be waiting. :)
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LOP makes every thread he posts in about him and his massively self-inflated ego.
 
ludin said:
I didn't say that it was inaccurate i said that taking 200 year trend when climate patterns can last thousands of years
is not reliable.

you also have to realize that the years they are using was at the end of the little ice age. so they are starting from the bottom trough
and looking up. that is called data bias.

Medieval Warm Period - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

right now temps are pushing about the same as they were during the Medieval warming period
and just slightly higher than the warming period during the romans.

there was a warming period before that which was even higher than it is now.

all it takes is a bit of research to see that we are in what is nothing more than a normal warming phase.
how long it lasts who knows. we don't know what triggers earths warming and cooling phases although we have a good idea.

a lot of it has to do with the solar system and with the ocean currents.
along with troposphere activity and other events going on.
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“I didn't say that it was inaccurate i said that taking 200 year trend when climate patterns can last thousands of years
is not reliable.”

Yes you did. To quote from your post: “also the record is only what 200 years old if that? and highly inaccurate from those records?”

You did not use the term “not reliable”. You used the term “highly inaccurate”. Does that edify your own words for you?

“you also have to realize that the years they are using was at the end of the little ice age. so they are starting from the bottom trough
and looking up. that is called data bias.”

A simple focus that is limited to what you call “the bottom trough and looking up” is nothing more than a separate look from the whole but not with a conclusion any different than in the context of the entire historical period in the study of global warming conclusion. It is not data manipulation. The NOAA data used in the IPCC report that more “climate broadly” addresses your concern has been called “data manipulation” before and refuted. The following is an excerpt from the article in the link given further below (see 8th paragraph):

“Bates told the AP on Feb. 6 (2017) that there was “no data tampering, no data changing, nothing malicious” involved with his colleagues’ study. ‘It’s not trumped up data in any way shape or form,’ he said.”

No Data Manipulation at NOAA

No Data Manipulation at NOAA - FactCheck.org

“all it takes is a bit of research to see that we are in what is nothing more than a normal warming phase.”

What is not normal is that we have evidence the current warming phase is majorly caused by humans.

“how long it lasts who knows”

From what we best know, it isn’t stopping.

“we don't know what triggers earths warming and cooling phases although we have a good idea.”

And that good idea is that the warming is anthropogenic.

“a lot of it has to do with the solar system and with the ocean currents.
along with troposphere activity and other events going on.”

But it can’t be shown that the current warming is naturally caused as much as it can be shown to be anthropogenic.
 
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