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    Re: It's Time to Confront Climate Extremism

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Yes, the denial is at an extreme. It's also really, really ignorant.
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    Re: It's Time to Confront Climate Extremism

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    So how come this disagreement has not made its way to ANY textbooks on the subject, or ANY public statements, from ANY scientific organizations, anywhere on the planet?

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    Re: It's Time to Confront Climate Extremism

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Im amazed at how dishonest you are!!!!!

    Citing a well known hoax as evidence (by bumping a thread you started in which you were called out for flogging the same long discredited hoax), is about as bad as it gets.

    Especially so when you keep doing it after having been told youre full of it!

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    Re: It's Time to Confront Climate Extremism

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    So how come this disagreement has not made its way to ANY textbooks on the subject, or ANY public statements, from ANY scientific organizations, anywhere on the planet?

    This is the imfamous Oregon Petition, which is a total fraud. It’s a fake petition dreamed up be climate denier in the late 1990’s.

    Like Vince Foster, Comet Pizza, and Benghazi, it is an enduring right wing myth that the bobble heads will keep recycling to one another no matter how many times they’re told it’s false.

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    Re: It's Time to Confront Climate Extremism

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Lastly they quote the IPCC from 19 years ago saying that , It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to Human activity!
    By all means, let's update the source. Here's the latest IPCC report. Browse through that for a while and then try to claim they aren't primarily talking about human-produced greenhouse gases.
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    Re: It's Time to Confront Climate Extremism

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunsettommy View Post
    Consensus positions doesn't advance science, only reproducible research can do that.
    Agreed. And on the climate change side is a ton of reproducible research and evidence. On the denial side, pretty much fossil fuel-funded web sites run by high school graduates.
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    Re: It's Time to Confront Climate Extremism

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    Agreed. And on the climate change side is a ton of reproducible research and evidence. On the denial side, pretty much fossil fuel-funded web sites run by high school graduates.
    The IPCC strongly rely on far into the future emission and temperature scenarios.

    That means they are NOT reproducible, unfalsifiable.

    Your ignorantly hilarious attacks on those who insist on The Scientific Method way to develop credible science research wonders why science illiterates like you are so prone to personal attacks and lies, in place of mature rational debate.....


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    Re: It's Time to Confront Climate Extremism

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    By all means, let's update the source. Here's the latest IPCC report. Browse through that for a while and then try to claim they aren't primarily talking about human-produced greenhouse gases.
    I am quite familiar with the IPCC, and based on untested assumptions, it is very easy to say that increases in CO2
    are responsible for a majority of the warming, but that assumes all the increases in CO2 are Human, which has not been proven,
    AND (Boolean) it also assumes that CO2 forcing is what they think it is (2XCO2 =3.71W/m2 of imbalance).
    Even if correct, does not make added CO2 an issue.

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    Re: It's Time to Confront Climate Extremism

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunsettommy View Post
    I wrote:



    Ha ha,

    you have no idea how silly you are, since what he posted is excellent example of a consensus and Authority fallacy. It doesn't support the AGW conjecture, only The Scientific Method could do that, but that idea is continually stomped on by science illiterates like you and him.

    There have been many examples of consensus being wrong over the centuries, yet science illiterates like you continue to hang onto long dead idea that popular beliefs (group think) are the same as Reproducible research.

    Yeah yeah, blah blah, we know already what your opinion is. What you need to do is show us the value of it.
    You want results of the Scientific Method? Before I waste time beating my head against another wall of determined ignorance, tell me what sources you wouldn't snear at because they disagree with your opinion. I favour NASA and NOAA, and sometimes look at the British Antarctic Survey. You got any problems with their data?
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    Re: It's Time to Confront Climate Extremism

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Yeah yeah, blah blah, we know already what your opinion is. What you need to do is show us the value of it.
    You want results of the Scientific Method? Before I waste time beating my head against another wall of determined ignorance, tell me what sources you wouldn't snear at because they disagree with your opinion. I favour NASA and NOAA, and sometimes look at the British Antarctic Survey. You got any problems with their data?
    With the exception of NASA GISS(whose data looks overcooked) the data is fine.
    The problem is the very subjective interpretation of that data to support a concept that has minimal empirical support.
    The low hanging fruit in this concept is the enormous positive feedbacks predicted, there is almost not empirical evidence
    that the feedbacks exists at anywhere near the required levels to make the predictions accurate.
    Take an 2XCO2 ECS of 3C for example, this requires a feedback factor 2.72 be applied to the
    assumed 2XCO2 forced warming of 1.1C. (Hansen says the feedback should be 60% complete after 37.5 years.)
    Applying this to the data we have, almost takes the 3C off the table.
    We have pre1950 warming of .288C (Hadcrut4), and We have post 1950 CO2 instantaneous forcing warming
    of .44C. and we have total observed warming of .89C.
    .288C X the feedback factor of 2.72, should have yielded .47C by 1988, and close to .77C by 2025.
    Just the 1988 feedback factor (.47C) plus the CO2 instantaneous forcing warming,(.44C.) is greater
    than the observed temperature, adding in the second 37.5 year cycle, means that the feedback factor necessary
    for a 3 C ECS cannot be supported with the empirical data.

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