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    Has anyone proposed a realistic, acheivable plan to reduce greenhouse emissions?

    I'm curious. We have heard plenty of absurd ideas like the Green New Deal, which only embolden climate change deniers. But has anyone put together a realistic, achievable plan that has any hope of being implemented worldwide, either from a technical point of view or an economic one, that could possibly have any significant impact on our current trajectory?
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    Re: Has anyone proposed a realistic, acheivable plan to reduce greenhouse emissions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    I'm curious. We have heard plenty of absurd ideas like the Green New Deal, which only embolden climate change deniers. But has anyone put together a realistic, achievable plan that has any hope of being implemented worldwide, either from a technical point of view or an economic one, that would have any significant impact on our current trajectory?

    Replace coal fired power plants with nuclear

    Replace fossil fuel burning vehicles with electric, cars, trucks, cargo ships, etc

    Eat a lot less beef

    Have fewer kids

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    Re: Has anyone proposed a realistic, acheivable plan to reduce greenhouse emissions?

    The only one that'll work...

    "For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but through the one who subjected it, on the basis of hope that the creation itself will also be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God. " Romans 8:20,21

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    Re: Has anyone proposed a realistic, acheivable plan to reduce greenhouse emissions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    I'm curious. We have heard plenty of absurd ideas like the Green New Deal, which only embolden climate change deniers. But has anyone put together a realistic, achievable plan that has any hope of being implemented worldwide, either from a technical point of view or an economic one, that could possibly have any significant impact on our current trajectory?
    Paul Hawken has

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    Re: Has anyone proposed a realistic, acheivable plan to reduce greenhouse emissions?

    Less beer and cabbage.
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    Re: Has anyone proposed a realistic, acheivable plan to reduce greenhouse emissions?

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    Replace coal fired power plants with nuclear

    Replace fossil fuel burning vehicles with electric, cars, trucks, cargo ships, etc

    Eat a lot less beef

    Have fewer kids
    Those sound like goals, not a plan to make anything happen. How do we get that to happen in the next 12 years, or even the next 20, including in Africa, India, China, Russia, and the rest of Europe?

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    Re: Has anyone proposed a realistic, acheivable plan to reduce greenhouse emissions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drawdown View Post
    Paul Hawken has
    A quick search has indicate that he has a pretty comprehensive set of solutions, but I saw no indication of how he proposes to get them done. Can you paraphrase?

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    Re: Has anyone proposed a realistic, acheivable plan to reduce greenhouse emissions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    I'm curious. We have heard plenty of absurd ideas like the Green New Deal, which only embolden climate change deniers. But has anyone put together a realistic, achievable plan that has any hope of being implemented worldwide, either from a technical point of view or an economic one, that could possibly have any significant impact on our current trajectory?
    I have proposed one, but it does not play into the fear.
    We basically have an energy problem, not a CO2 problem, but solving our energy problem will also solve any issues that might exists with CO2.
    Solar and wind energy possess the capability of providing enough energy for everyone alive to live a first world lifestyle if they choose.
    The problem is that those sources have poor duty cycles, the sun may not be shining on the wind blowing when we need the energy.
    As we get more and more alternate energy sources, the excesses during available times, and deficits during sunless times, will grow.
    At some point, the surplus will need to be dumped to prevent damage to the electrical grid.
    I propose that the existing oil refineries, be set up to store the surpluses as, transport fuels and man made natural gas,
    as a way of utilizing the energy that otherwise would go to waste.
    Hydrocarbon fuels made from Hydrogen from water, carbon from atmospheric CO2, and electricity, would be carbon neutral when burned.
    The man made fuels are also much cleaner than fuels made from oil.
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    It looks like at wholesale electricity prices of $.05 per Kwh, they can make fuel that would compete economically if oil was above $90 a barrel.
    Countries that already have high fuel taxes, could speed up economically viability by cutting fuel taxes on fuels that emitted no new CO2.
    The first benefit would be to free to world on dependence on the middle East for oil, since every country could make their own fuel.
    Cutting new CO2 emissions from transport could make every existing vehicle, jet or ship, as green as the best electric car,
    and the infrastructure for distributing the fuel is already in place.
    Further along as natural gas supplies slow, the same process could make natural gas, and provide a nearly unlimited storage component
    to our energy solution. This should allow Humanity to advance until we develop our new viable energy source.

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    Re: Has anyone proposed a realistic, acheivable plan to reduce greenhouse emissions?

    People tend to think too "local" when speaking of this, yes the US has pollution but is probably doing the most to clean it up and is far from the worst polluters. We can work on our end all we want but the others will keep off setting our work unless they get with the program to clean things up. This is a paragraph from an article entitled "China Emits More Carbon Dioxide Than The U.S. and EU Combined"

    China's emissions passed those of the U.S. in 2005, and by 2012 had surpassed the combined contribution of both the U.S. and the EU. Should recent trends continue, China will be responsible for the most atmospheric carbon dioxide in less than 20 years.

    China has lots of regional company, too. The Asia Pacific region is home to both China and India -- the world's two most populous countries and two of the largest carbon dioxide emitters. It is also home to other fast-growing and/or populous countries, like Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Vietnam, and Japan. Over the past decade, this region's carbon dioxide emissions have grown at an average annual rate of 3.1%, which was nearly triple the global average. As a result, Asia Pacific is now responsible for nearly 50% of global carbon dioxide emissions.
    That is according to Forbes: Full article here-
    China Emits More Carbon Dioxide Than The U.S. and EU Combined
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    Re: Has anyone proposed a realistic, acheivable plan to reduce greenhouse emissions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    I'm curious. We have heard plenty of absurd ideas like the Green New Deal, which only embolden climate change deniers. But has anyone put together a realistic, achievable plan that has any hope of being implemented worldwide, either from a technical point of view or an economic one, that could possibly have any significant impact on our current trajectory?
    In my opinion, you are believing the false narrative. Your title "Has anyone proposed a realistic, achievable plan to reduce greenhouse emissions?"

    How about we worry about real pollution before we worry about greenhouse gasses. They are more easily manageable, and maybe we wouldn't see greenhouse gasses as a threat after making pollution insignificant.
    The left says the right is full of racists and bigots and have no tolerance. Nobody from the right organizes interference with gay pride parades, or other leftist events. The left however always has a group interfering with events organized by the right. Who are the tolerant ones I ask? Most certainly not the left.

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