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    Re: Yes, Virginia- Thousands of Scientists Are Skeptical of Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Try paying your internet bill, and maybe you wont get 404 errors.
    Paid on time monthly. But just to check, I also tried the ones below at my University office, and sent them to my wife at her law firm and asked her to check them. Same results all three times.

    Perhaps you could take screenshots of what happens when you click on the first two links under the IPCC heading (md1.csa.com domain) for you and post them here.

    You could do the Tractatus logico-climaticus link under the same section.

    Also, the only two links under the "An Inconvenient Truth" section.

    Also, explain why the first 59 papers listed under the solar section are over 20 years old (some of them nearing 50).

    Ditto the Solar Variability and the Earth's Climate: Introduction and Overview link under the solar section. Also the Sun-Weather/Climate Relationships: A Review (the Proceedings of the Indiand National Science Academy links).

    Also the cause-and-effect relationship of solar cycle length and the Northern Hemisphere air surface temperature paper under the solar section seems to just go to the front page of a journal warehouse--though it appears to advertise itself as a self-publishing platform. Hmmm...

    The link for the paper Evidence of Solar Variation in Tree-Ring-Based Climate Reconstructions also goes to a 404.

    While you're at it, kindly find the actual paper (under the Kyoto Protocol section) titled: Differentiation since Kyoto: An exploration of Australian climate policy in comparison to Europe/UK--that one just goes to a main page link.

    Or the one called A 2004 View of the Kyoto Protocol in the same section.

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    Re: Yes, Virginia- Thousands of Scientists Are Skeptical of Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    There is a loose consensus, but the boundary conditions are so poorly defined as to not mean much.
    NASA covers the consensus in a single sentence.
    Scientific Consensus | Facts Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

    What is missing is any mention of CO2, or how Human activity caused the climate warming trend.
    Almost anyone with a science background would agree with that statement, as it could easily include
    Human error/fraud in representing the global temperature, as a Human activity.
    No it couldn't. The words "climate-warming trends" refer to a climate that is trending toward the warm side. Not a trend in how climate temperature is being reported.

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    The debate is not weather CO2 is a greenhouse gas, IT IS!
    Would you believe that, back in the day, I got into a great many very long debates with posters who steadfastly refused to believe that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    but how sensitive the climate is to added CO2.
    Since the end of the 1800's, Scientists have known that Earth is warmer than a gasless rock would be, ~33C warmer.
    This 33C is based on an energy imbalance of 150 Wm-2, so the long term fully equalized ratio between Energy imbalance in Wm-2 and temperature,
    is .22C per Wm-2. This is somewhat lower than the IPCC .3 C per Wm-2 forcing , and much lower than Hansen's equalized .75 C per Wm-2.
    If I understand your notations correctly, you seem to be assuming that the relationship between total mass of CO2 in the atmosphere and average ambient temperature is linear. That doesn't seem like a very good assumption to me.

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    Re: Yes, Virginia- Thousands of Scientists Are Skeptical of Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    There is also a question of timing. The human contribution to CO2 could not have occurred before the 20th century, even the AGW scammers place the beginning of human contribution at 1950. Yet atmospheric CO2 has been steadily increasing since the 1850s, a full century before humans could have contributed. The human contribution is so small as to be statistically irrelevant. You are arguing over a total contribution of 150 W/m2 out of ~1,365 W/m2 that the sun provides, and out of that 150 W/m2 humans contribute 0.3 W/m2 (based upon EPA's estimate that humans contribute 36 billion tons of CO2 world-wide). A paltry 0.2% of the total atmospheric CO2, which is itself only 0.04% of the total atmosphere.

    It has become as esoteric as the old Chinese "Butterfly Effect," where a butterfly flaps its wings in one part of the world causing a hurricane in another part of the world, and just as ridiculous.
    No I am pointing out that the basis for the concept of a greenhouse gas is that Earth is ~33 C warmer than it would be if the atmsphere
    was completely transparent. This is also the bases of the long term 150 Wm-2 imbalance of energy out vs energy in.
    Using the criteria that has been around for over a century, let's us see the equalized temperature response to an energy imbalance.
    BTW of the 33 C, somewhere between 9 and 26% is attributable to CO2,
    Calculating the greenhouse effect << RealClimate
    of which CO2 on its own is between 9 and 26% (op cit)
    One needs to be at the high end of that range for 2XCO2 to be equal to 3.71 Wm-2, yet there is plenty of uncertainty
    as to the percentage contribution from CO2.

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    Re: Yes, Virginia- Thousands of Scientists Are Skeptical of Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    No it couldn't. The words "climate-warming trends" refer to a climate that is trending toward the warm side. Not a trend in how climate temperature is being reported.



    Would you believe that, back in the day, I got into a great many very long debates with posters who steadfastly refused to believe that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?



    If I understand your notations correctly, you seem to be assuming that the relationship between total mass of CO2 in the atmosphere and average ambient temperature is linear. That doesn't seem like a very good assumption to me.
    Of course it could, the simple change from analog to digital thermometers (High-low sampling, vs hour or second sampling)
    could produce the observed warming. That would have to be included in Human activity.

    CO2 can absorb photons between 13.5 and 16 um near sea level, the range get thinner as pressures drop,
    Adding CO2 will shorten the mean free path of IR photons in the absorption window, but test run for missile research in the
    50's and 60's, show near 100% absorption of 13.5 to 16 um at 10 miles.

    The response was already logarithmic, i.e CO2 is measured on doubling curve, but the ratio of warming to energy imbalance is linear,
    as shown in the American Chemical Society formula.
    Climate Sensitivity - American Chemical Society
    ΔT ≈ Tp ΔF/[4(1 – α)Save] ≈ [0.3 K(Wm–2)–1] ΔF (for Tp ≈ 288 Κ)
    the .3K X Wm-2, describes a linear relationship.
    CO2 is measures in parts per million volume not mass!

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    Re: Yes, Virginia- Thousands of Scientists Are Skeptical of Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    If all the rivers of the world follow an obvious pattern of a reasonable relaionship between width of river and flow rate, allowing for deeper rivers having even more flow rate, and the only place where this does not apply and is in fact out of whack by a factor of 200 or more, is Greenland why do you think I am wrong?

    Because you want to. And your priests said so.
    I think you're ignorant of the flows of rivers in Greenland, because you are. And if it's a competition between whose numbers to trust, you sitting a home looking at Google Earth images, or those on the ground measuring flows, I'll go with the people doing the work, not ignoramuses making WAGs at home.

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    Re: Yes, Virginia- Thousands of Scientists Are Skeptical of Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I could care less about your stupid anecdotes or who your wife's cousin is. You have once again failed to prove the petition is false. Keep failing.
    The anecdotes illustrated my point, and served a purpose. But OK, forget that part. Here's the rest you ignored:

    LOL, having an undergrad or graduate degree in something vaguely sciency doesn't make one a "scientist." And having a degree in, say, chemistry and even being a scientist whose field is in chemistry does not make one qualified to opine on AGW unless the person is actively engaged in research on, you know, climate issues!
    ...
    What's a mystery is why you keep digging this hole for yourself. Even if we accept the "scientist" moniker, which is stupid as hell, then 99.7% of all "scientists" in America didn't sign that stupid petition, which we can then conclude means they're on board with the 'consensus' on AGW!!!

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    Re: Yes, Virginia- Thousands of Scientists Are Skeptical of Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I think you're ignorant of the flows of rivers in Greenland, because you are. And if it's a competition between whose numbers to trust, you sitting a home looking at Google Earth images, or those on the ground measuring flows, I'll go with the people doing the work, not ignoramuses making WAGs at home.
    Never trust your own eyes over stuff you want to believe then... OK.

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    Re: Yes, Virginia- Thousands of Scientists Are Skeptical of Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    Never trust your own eyes over stuff you want to believe then... OK.
    It's not what I "want to believe" but what the evidence shows. Your guess isn't evidence. Measurements of the flows of various rivers by those on the ground using methods and equipment designed to determine those things IS. I don't know why you expect them to be treated as equivalents, when they are not.

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    Re: Yes, Virginia- Thousands of Scientists Are Skeptical of Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's not what I "want to believe" but what the evidence shows. Your guess isn't evidence. Measurements of the flows of various rivers by those on the ground using methods and equipment designed to determine those things IS. I don't know why you expect them to be treated as equivalents, when they are not.

    Neither you nor I can state that we know that those measurements are accurate or lies. I can state that the size of the rivers does not match the flow rate although the rest of the world does match.

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    Re: Yes, Virginia- Thousands of Scientists Are Skeptical of Climate Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post

    Neither you nor I can state that we know that those measurements are accurate or lies. I can state that the size of the rivers does not match the flow rate although the rest of the world does match.
    But you only know the "flow rates" of other rivers match because you rely on the same, and I want to use your term, "priests", who, you know, measure flows in other rivers. So you rely on the "priests" when it suits you, then disregard the "priests" when it doesn't. It's not rational.

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