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Arson in Australia

Jack Hays said:
[h=3]Bushfires: Firebugs fuelling crisis as arson ... - The Australian[/h]
[url]https://www.theaustralian.com.au › nation
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5 hours ago - More than 180 alleged arsonists have been arrested since the start of ... The Shoalhaven fires were lit between July and September last year, ...
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O.K... arsonists start lots of fires. Are there any studies that say there was a huge increase in the number of arsonists this year? Or any studies that say arsonists are starting more fires this year? Or maybe statistics that say arrests have gone up significantly this fire season?

I doubt it.
 
Buzz said:
O.K... arsonists start lots of fires. Are there any studies that say there was a huge increase in the number of arsonists this year? Or any studies that say arsonists are starting more fires this year? Or maybe statistics that say arrests have gone up significantly this fire season?

I doubt it.
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Repeated from earlier in the thread.

Australian fires: Why do people start fires during fires? - BBC ...


BBC - Homepage › news › world-australia-50400851



Nov 14, 2019 - Stay and help put the fires out? Or head into the bush with a packet of matches and start another fire? Amazingly, in the Australian bushfire ...

". . . Two of the most recent studies say there are between 52,000 and 54,000 bushfires in Australia every year.
Dr Paul Read, co-director of Australia's National Centre for Research in Bushfire and Arson, puts the figure higher, at "62,000 and increasing".
Of those, 13% are started deliberately, and 37% are suspicious. That means 31,000 Australian bushfires are either arson, or suspected arson, every year.
That figure does not include recklessness or accidents. So a bushfire caused by a barbecue, or a spark from a chainsaw, would be classed as "accidental".
In short, up to 85 bushfires begin every day because someone leaves their house and decides to start one. . . . "
 
Jack Hays said:
Repeated from earlier in the thread.

Australian fires: Why do people start fires during fires? - BBC ...


BBC - Homepage › news › world-australia-50400851



Nov 14, 2019 - Stay and help put the fires out? Or head into the bush with a packet of matches and start another fire? Amazingly, in the Australian bushfire ...

". . . Two of the most recent studies say there are between 52,000 and 54,000 bushfires in Australia every year.
Dr Paul Read, co-director of Australia's National Centre for Research in Bushfire and Arson, puts the figure higher, at "62,000 and increasing".
Of those, 13% are started deliberately, and 37% are suspicious. That means 31,000 Australian bushfires are either arson, or suspected arson, every year.
That figure does not include recklessness or accidents. So a bushfire caused by a barbecue, or a spark from a chainsaw, would be classed as "accidental".
In short, up to 85 bushfires begin every day because someone leaves their house and decides to start one. . . . "
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Do me a favor and quote the part that says there was a very large increase this fire season.
 
Buzz said:
Do me a favor and quote the part that says there was a very large increase this fire season.
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You may find this of interest.

[FONT=&quot]". . . If temperature and precipitation cannot be attributed to the increasing trend in wildfires, what other factors should be considered? As in California, Australia has experience a tremendous increase in human ignitions. Arson is a huge problem. As government investigations reveal (Figure 4), deliberately set fires account for 66% of all ignitions, while only 11% of all wildfires are due to natural lightning ignitions.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Furthermore to the north, tropical and subtropical regions are being invaded by foreign grasses that are easily ignited and provide greater surface fuel continuity allowing fires to spread over greater areas. Likewise, humans must manage forest floor fuel loads. The easiest solution is prescribed burns. However, that solution is often resisted because people do not want to experience the accompanying smoke. But until prescribed burns are allowed to be judiciously applied, the public becomes increasingly vulnerable to larger more severe wildfires as endured in 2019. . . . "[/FONT]


Hijacking Australian 2019 Bushfire Tragedies to Fearmonger Climate Change

Guest post by Jim Steele, director emeritus of the Sierra Nevada Field Campus, SFSU and author of Landscapes and Cycles: An Environmentalist’s Journey to Climate Skepticism. As is customary now, whenever tragedy strikes, the internet buzzes with articles blaming climate change. Hijacking the tragic Australia’s bushfires was to be expected. For instance, Microsoft’s MSN website…
 
Jack Hays said:
There does not need to be.
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Well... then what has changed recently that is making it so much worse than normal? Was there a sudden increase in tree and plant growth this year?

Maybe BIC had a huge sale on BIC lighters this year.

:confused:
 
Buzz said:
Well... then what has changed recently that is making it so much worse than normal? Was there a sudden increase in tree and plant growth this year?

Maybe BIC had a huge sale on BIC lighters this year.

:confused:
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Please see #33.
 
Jack Hays said:
Please see #33.
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Please help me, Jack. I can't find the part that says there is a sudden increase in anything this year to make it so bad. Can you quote the part that says this?
 
Buzz said:
Please help me, Jack. I can't find the part that says there is a sudden increase in anything this year to make it so bad. Can you quote the part that says this?
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It's right there. ". . . Australia has experience a tremendous increase in human ignitions...."

And this link helps. Arson is a huge problem.

The rate of deliberately lit fires escalates rapidly during the school holiday period, according to an expert in arson investigations.
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  • Most fires have a human source and up to half are thought to be deliberately lit, Dr Read said
  • Teens have been charged over the Peregian fire, but older arsonists are often the most dangerous
  • Dr Read says arson investigations rely upon suspicious behaviour being reported


The warning comes after emergency services personnel spent recent weeks battling out-of-control bushfires that raged across parts of Queensland.
Dr Paul Read, co-director of the National Centre for Research in Bushfire and Arson, said the great majority of bushfires are deliberately lit by "cunning, furtive and versatile criminals".
"About 85 per cent are related to human activity, 13 per cent confirmed arson and 37 per cent suspected arson," he said.
"The remainder are usually due to reckless fire lighting or even just children playing with fire."
Dr Read said holidays and summer were a bad combination when it came to fire starters.
 
Jack Hays said:
It's right there. ". . . Australia has experience a tremendous increase in human ignitions...."

And this link helps. Arson is a huge problem.

The rate of deliberately lit fires escalates rapidly during the school holiday period, according to an expert in arson investigations.
[h=2]Key points:[/h]
  • Most fires have a human source and up to half are thought to be deliberately lit, Dr Read said
  • Teens have been charged over the Peregian fire, but older arsonists are often the most dangerous
  • Dr Read says arson investigations rely upon suspicious behaviour being reported


The warning comes after emergency services personnel spent recent weeks battling out-of-control bushfires that raged across parts of Queensland.
Dr Paul Read, co-director of the National Centre for Research in Bushfire and Arson, said the great majority of bushfires are deliberately lit by "cunning, furtive and versatile criminals".
"About 85 per cent are related to human activity, 13 per cent confirmed arson and 37 per cent suspected arson," he said.
"The remainder are usually due to reckless fire lighting or even just children playing with fire."
Dr Read said holidays and summer were a bad combination when it came to fire starters.
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Except the article cited doesn't say that. Just the lying guest blogger on WUWT
 
This has all the classic marks of an old school witch hunt.
 
Jack Hays said:
That's fine, but not germane to this discussion. Fact is fires are down, and you were wrong, again.
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Also, there is a fundamental difference between head count statistics and causation statistical modeling..
 
Buzz said:
Except the article cited doesn't say that. Just the lying guest blogger on WUWT
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Tsk tsk. So quick to charge dishonesty when the evidence doesn't go your way. We taught our children to be better than that.
"The rate of deliberately lit fires escalates rapidly during the school holiday period . . . "
 
The propaganda assault continues.

[FONT=&quot]Alarmism[/FONT]
[h=1]British TV Personalities Savage Aussie Politician Over Climate Action, Bushfires[/h][FONT=&quot]Guest essay by Eric Worrall British TV personalities including Piers Morgan have attacked Aussie politician Craig Kelly on air during an interview, over Kelly’s claim that dry weather and the buildup of fuel load is the reason for Australia’s horrific bushfire season. ‘You are a climate denier’: Craig Kelly in car crash British TV interview…
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[h=2]Report On The 1939 Fires[/h][FONT=&quot]Posted on January 6, 2020 by tonyheller[/FONT]
After the 1939 fires in Australia, there was a commission set up to study what happened and what could have been done differently.

  1. The fires were man-made
  2. There was a long drought followed by extreme heat
  3. Almost the entire state of Victoria appeared to be on fire on January 13
  4. It was dark as night at midday
  5. The amount of controlled burning was “ridiculously inadequate”

 
[h=2]A woodchip mill is better for the environment than greens are[/h]
Instead of vaporising a million trees we could have made money, saved lives, homes, property and millions of animals.
Local environmental groups rejoiced that the Eden Woodchip Mill burnt down, then deleted the comment. But ponder, after a man-made inferno, how much better off would the nation have been if we’d chopped down that forest and sold it instead.
“YESSS!!! Some really good news! The Eden Chip Mill is burning down. ” -- Environment East Gippsland EEG
Joy of joys. Even the woodchip pile is on fire?
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Ask a koala: Is it better to chop half the trees down, or incinerate the whole forest?
A lack of hazard reduction hurts in so many ways.

 
Buzz said:
Please help me, Jack. I can't find the part that says there is a sudden increase in anything this year to make it so bad. Can you quote the part that says this?
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You sure need a lot of help, because you have been shown many sources in the thread that Arson is a major problem, with up to 85% of all fires accounted for the last 6 months.

It can't be climate change as the cause because it has been much wetter in the last 50 years, than the previous 50 years before that.

Why can't you look at the evidence provided objectively?
 
Sunsettommy said:
Here you are indeed messed up, obviously didn't look at the link since this article Jack posted is from AUSTRALIA!

Bushfires deliberately lit by 'cunning, versatile criminals', more common in school holidays, expert warns - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Advise that you slink away, take your worn out name calling with you.
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Police contradict claims spread online exaggerating arson's role in Australian bushfires

"Victoria police say there is no evidence any of the devastating bushfires in the state were caused by arson, contrary to the spread of global disinformation exaggerating arsonist arrests during the current crisis.

"NSW police statistics show 24 individuals have been arrested for deliberately lighting bushfires during the current fire season.

But a Rural Fire Service spokesman told Sky News on Wednesday that the majority of the larger fires in the state were caused by lightning, and that arson was a relatively small source of ignition."

"Arsonists have been responsible for some of the bushfires this season – though specific numbers are not yet available. There is also no doubt that arson remains a serious problem in Australia, particularly during heightened periods of fire danger. Arsonists have been responsible for some of Australia’s worst fires, including a fire that killed 10 people on Black Saturday in 2009.

But exaggerated claims about arson during the current crisis have also been used to undermine the link between climate change and the longer, more severe bushfire seasons currently being experienced in Australia.

Preliminary research from the Queensland University of Technology suggests bots and trolls are involved in spreading disinformation about arson on Twitter."

"Regardless of the source of ignition, Australia’s scientific agencies all state that climate change is creating longer, more severe fire seasons."
 
Surface Detail said:
"Regardless of the source of ignition, Australia’s scientific agencies all state that climate change is creating longer, more severe fire seasons."
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That's what the "arson!" deniers ignore. If conditions were not bad, ignitions would be put out quickly.
 
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