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    Re: Arson in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Sorry... not reading your denialist BS anymore. Remember? If you want me to see what you talking about then quote the pertinent part.

    And I guess this means you are completely incapable of independently fact-checking your sources. And by independently... I mean not using other denialist sources.
    As you wish. Your prejudice is your prison.

    From #181:

    . . . Unlike much of the American South and East, California has a distinct wet season, with Pacific storms rolling in by November or December and wrapping up by March. In even the wettest years (2016-17 was the wettest in 122 years) much of California is bone-dry by late fall. Thus, it isn’t climate change that sets the conditions for fires—it’s California’s natural weather pattern. Comparing acres burned in wildfires to weather and tree harvest data, there appears to be little link to climate—but a big connection to the growing forest fuel load, especially on government land.
    Which brings us back to policy. If federal and state environmental policies continue to make it difficult and costly to harvest timber and manage the fuel load, then the wildfires will continue and they will be bigger and deadlier. This will, in due course, cause some politicians to blame the fires on climate change.
    In the meantime, the timber harvest infrastructure is less than one-third of what it was 30 years ago, meaning that even if politicians were sincere in wanting to manage the public forests, there few people remaining to manage them.
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    Re: Arson in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    If you don't know your position I can't help you.
    I know what my position is. I am asking you what you think it is. You just claimed you were going to take my position and turn it on me. So far you are failing to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810
    The cause and number of fires does not matter to the land. It is how the fire burns (fire behavior) that matters.
    Yes... I know this. Do you have an intelligent point to make? Or are you just determined to come up with a justification for not admitting you have lost this debate?

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    Re: Arson in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    As you wish. Your prejudice is your prison.
    Your the one who lives in a prison of your own making by getting all of your facts from only sources you agree with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack HaysFrom #181:

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    . . . Unlike much of the American South and East, California has a distinct wet season, with Pacific storms rolling in by November or December and wrapping up by March. In even the wettest years (2016-17 was the wettest in 122 years) much of California is bone-dry by late fall. Thus, it isn’t climate change that sets the conditions for fires—it’s California’s natural weather pattern. Comparing acres burned in wildfires to weather and tree harvest data, there appears to be little link to climate—but a big connection to the growing forest fuel load, especially on government land.[/COLOR]
    Which brings us back to policy. If federal and state environmental policies continue to make it difficult and costly to harvest timber and manage the fuel load, then the wildfires will continue and they will be bigger and deadlier. This will, in due course, cause some politicians to blame the fires on climate change.
    In the meantime, the timber harvest infrastructure is less than one-third of what it was 30 years ago, meaning that even if politicians were sincere in wanting to manage the public forests, there few people remaining to manage them.
    Nothing about California not doing prescribed burns anymore. No surprise there.

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    Re: Arson in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Your the one who lives in a prison of your own making by getting all of your facts from only sources you agree with.



    Nothing about California not doing prescribed burns anymore. No surprise there.
    The claim was that burns are "largely" prohibited. More from #181:

    . . . This is California’s big secret: it’s not climate change that’s burning up the forests, killing people, and destroying hundreds of homes; it’s decades of environmental mismanagement that has created a tinderbox of unharvested timber, dead trees, and thick underbrush. . . .
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    Re: Arson in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Now you're just lying.
    No, you are.

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    Re: Arson in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    No, you are.
    Please see #194.
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    Re: Arson in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The claim was that burns are "largely" prohibited. More from #181:

    . . . This is California’s big secret: it’s not climate change that’s burning up the forests, killing people, and destroying hundreds of homes; it’s decades of environmental mismanagement that has created a tinderbox of unharvested timber, dead trees, and thick underbrush. . . .
    No. The claim I have a problem with was in your post #176:

    In California, these ‘prescribed’ fires are now largely prohibited
    And you can't back it up because it is not true.

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    Re: Arson in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    No. The claim I have a problem with was in your post #176:



    And you can't back it up because it is not true.
    That's exactly the one I was quoting: "largely" prohibited. That claim was not in #181.
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    Re: Arson in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    No. The claim I have a problem with was in your post #176:



    And you can't back it up because it is not true.
    www.motherjones.com › environment › 2019/11 › californias-wildfir...

    California's Wildfire Policy Totally Backfired. Native Communities









    Nov 11, 2019 - When it came time to set fire to the hillside, Kitty Lynch paused. A 70 year-old retired waitress, Lynch's job during the controlled burn of a 2,200 ...
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    Re: Arson in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    No. The claim I have a problem with was in your post #176:



    And you can't back it up because it is not true.
    www.sacbee.com › news › california › fires › article230481684

    CA neglecting prescribed burns to fight fire risk, experts say ...





    May 29, 2019
    California should conduct more prescribed burns to reduce major wildfire risks, experts say. Research by ...
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