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Arson in Australia

Sunsettommy said:
He frequently calls the cited sources as "denialist" sources, never tries a true counterpoint to them, he is here to promote a lie that climate change is the dominant cause, and his CO2 bogeyman tripe.

He doesn't show understanding on what is really going on, he has been shown numerous articles, and even a few science reports, I posted a an actual published science paper, he ignored it....., he is so busy trying to plug the leaky warmist bullcrap dam to notice the true reality behind it.

He ignores several posts that I made:

Posts 10, 22, 23, he ignored post 48 where I exposed his hilarious mistake.

He is the true blustering apologist for the AGW delusion.

He is the true denialist......
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imo, the earth is going through changes in weather. What is not known is if the change is a temporary, permanent or normal cycle pattern. When forest/brush is subjected to drought conditions the live fuel moisture drops in the plants. They become easier to burn.

One must remember that climate change is not the same as weather. "The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.
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NASA - What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate? | NASA

climate change group promoting climate change as the main factor for the severe fire behavior. They have not addressed if the weather may return to more normal patterns in the future.
This is not normal: Explaining Bushfires and Climate Change | Climate Council

There is no doubt that if the earth gets hotter and dryer can result in more severe fire behavior. It also means areas that fine fuels load will be reduced as inadequate moisture is provide to allow the grass/weeds to grow. That means less fuel for a fire to burn in low lying areas.

The big question to ask is if the current year change is the new norm or not.
 
Sunsettommy said:
Oh my mistake YOU don't have a science degree, thank you.

:2wave:
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What degree do you claim to have? G.E.D.? Doesn't count.



Don't get wrong. Good on ya', if you went back. But still. Doesn't count for this topic.
 
Mr Person said:
What degree do you claim to have? G.E.D.? Doesn't count.



Don't get wrong. Good on ya', if you went back. But still. Doesn't count for this topic.
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A science degree". That sounds middle-school level of education.
 
Sunsettommy said:
A science degree". That sounds middle-school level of education.
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So....definitely not a graduate degree in English.

I'm not sure what degree you could possibly have if reposting what ecofarm posted to you, as your own post to ME was supposed to accomplish. Philosophy must be out. Is it in ant-farming perhaps?
 
Mr Person said:
So....definitely not a graduate degree in English.

I'm not sure what degree you could possibly have if reposting what ecofarm posted to you, as your own post to ME was supposed to accomplish. Philosophy must be out. Is it in ant-farming perhaps?
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A science degree". That sounds middle-school level of education.
 
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ecofarm said:
:lol:

Pure ignorance.
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Sunsettommy said:
Pure stupidity since Trump doesn't live in Australia or have effected climate policy in Australia......

You really have a science degree?

:lol:
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ecofarm said:
"A science degree". That sounds middle-school level of education.
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Sunsettommy said:
Oh my mistake YOU don't have a science degree, thank you.

:2wave:
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Mr Person said:
What degree do you claim to have? G.E.D.? Doesn't count.



Don't get wrong. Good on ya', if you went back. But still. Doesn't count for this topic.
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Sunsettommy said:
A science degree". That sounds middle-school level of education.
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Mr Person said:
So....definitely not a graduate degree in English.

I'm not sure what degree you could possibly have if reposting what ecofarm posted to you, as your own post to ME was supposed to accomplish. Philosophy must be out. Is it in ant-farming perhaps?
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Sunsettommy said:
A science degree". That sounds middle-school level of education.
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Ralph Wiggum: Hey Lisa

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That was this exchange. You aren't Lisa. And I see no indications of degree-earning. What I do see is a strategy to try to troll people into leaving the Environment subforum so you can stupid BS on the people who remain.
 
Mr Person said:
[Jack Hays goes blah blah blah]

















Ralph Wiggum: Hey Lisa

Lisa Simpson: Yes, Ralph?

Ralph Wiggum: Do you like....
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Lisa: . . .




That was this exchange. You aren't Lisa. And I see no indications of degree-earning. What I do see is a strategy to try to troll people into leaving the Environment subforum so you can stupid BS on the people who remain.
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Sunsettommy said:
I notice that Buzz has a big habit calling many people here liars, but rarely try to support that claim.
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You need to learn the difference between calling someone a liar and pointing out something they say is a lie. I haven't called anyone a liar since I got dinged for it almost two years ago(by someone who has on more than one occasion called me names). And I back up my claims quite frequently.

Sunsettommy said:
The true reality is that you have like so many warmists deliberately ignore the fact that it was WEATHER, regional short term drought, CO2 greening effect and suppressed fuel load management, that made the already numerous fire season worse than usual. You ignored the well supported fact that Australia as a nation had a significant INCREASE in rainfall over the last 50 years, it used to be a much dryer place before 1960.
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Look Sunny... this thread was originally about arsonists supposedly causing these fires. What does all of that have to do with whether or not arson is responsible?

Sunsettommy said:
You ignored historical reports of high Arson behavior in Australia...
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None of which proved that arson is suddenly worse this year. Is this concept really so hard for you to understand?

Sunsettommy said:
He likes to call people liars, but rarely back it up, notice his dishonest run around with you about whether there was an increase in arson fires or not, he keeps overlooking your multiple answers to his question, he goes on and on without a true counterpoint.
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And now you are completely oblivious to what we were arguing about. By this point, Steve had posted a disgusting and insulting video where some jerk was blaming the fires on "greens". And by that time most of the debate was about fuel loads and environmentalists.

Sunsettommy said:
it is NORMALLY hot and dry enough in Australian summers for fires to occur, this has been known for a long time by people who are rooted in reality, unlike warmists who continually pursue a delusion world that only climate change causes fires, it is a common theme that warmists push, it is a running joke and shown to be pure stupidity.
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And here you are putting words in my mouth. Both times I have jumped into this thread was to challenge whether arsonists or greens were responsible for the fires in Australia this year. You are the one who is showing how brainwashed you are when you imagine arguments I haven't made.

Sunsettommy said:
The worst Australian fire season was in 1974, right in the middle of Global COOLING time.
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So what? Go look up the history of fires in Australia and notice how as the climate there warms the number and frequency of fires continue to increase.

Sunsettommy said:
He frequently calls the cited sources as "denialist" sources, never tries a true counterpoint to them, he is here to promote a lie that climate change is the dominant cause, and his CO2 bogeyman tripe.
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And more BS. I have pointed out that none of the sources you denialist have provided in this thread really proves arson or greens are mostly responsible for this season's fires. And I have not been pushing that climate change is the cause. You are just lying about me again.

Sunsettommy said:
He doesn't show understanding on what is really going on, he has been shown numerous articles, and even a few science reports, I posted a an actual published science paper, he ignored it....., he is so busy trying to plug the leaky warmist bullcrap dam to notice the true reality behind it.
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I obviously understand science better than you ever will.

Sunsettommy said:
He ignores several posts that I made:

Posts 10, 22, 23, he ignored post 48 where I exposed his hilarious mistake.
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Just because I didn't respond to all your posts does not mean I ignored them. And you are ignoring post 49 where Surface Detail directly refutes your post 48. And I also addressed your post 48 in post 87.

Damn Sunny... you are so brainwashed you don't even deal in reality anymore and just keep making a fool of yourself.

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[h=2]ABC says Arson = 1%. NSW police say 42% of fires are man-made. 9% are “natural”. Rest unknown. (So far)[/h]
[h=3]It’s an arson epidemic[/h]Holy Smoke Batman! An astonishing 12,000 fires have started in New South Wales since August. The police have investigated 1700 so far. Of those, fully 42% are described as “deliberately lit” which includes both intentional and accidental and at the moment police refuse to put a number on how many are truly arson, as opposed to people deliberately lighting a campfire which ran amok. Only 156 fires of the total investigated, or 9%, were caused naturally (presumably that means by lightning).
Another 745 fires of the 1700 are not yet determined. There seems plenty of scope to increase the number of man-made fires but I would assume the extent of lightning strikes are already known.
[h=3]‘Like nothing we’ve ever seen before’: police step up bushfire investigations[/h]Forty specialist police officers will investigate to zero in on and profile would-be arsonists. “Strike Force Tronto is about profiling. It’s about zeroing in on serial arsonist behaviours that occurs during the bushfire period,” he said.
“That sets the framework for the next fire season so that we do zero in on and target those individuals who we believe may be involved in arsonist behaviour. “This summer we have interacted with 15 individuals that will face court or legal action relative to behaviour around the bushfire period,” he said.
New figures provided by police on Friday showed that legal action has been taken against 55 people for fires that were allegedly deliberately lit since August 1.
[h=3]Arson and man-made fires threaten the ABC’s reputation and agenda[/h]Long before the police investigated, the ABC announced the “truth” already, using their taxpayer funded crystal balls. Arson obviously doesn’t fit the agenda of the climate change religion. Not only does it show how pointless solar panels and windmills are, but it also shows how the ABC have been misleading the nation to fill their own wallets, or spread their personal religion. The fire issue means millions of Australians may wake up to find out just how politicized their ABC “news” is.
Helpfully, the ABC gives us clues that it is outrageously fibbing. If they say something is “true”, we know it isn’t.
[h=3]The truth about Australia’s fires — arsonists aren’t responsible for many this season[/h]By Kevin Nguyen, Tim Brunero, Sarah Thomas, Daniel Keane and Nicole Mills, ABC FakeNews Division, January 11th

Only about 1 per cent of the land burnt in NSW this bushfire season can be officially attributed to arson, and it is even less in Victoria, the ABC can reveal.
Given that most fires couldn’t be attributed to anything at that stage, the ABC forgot to mention the “unknown” category, and sliced the data so they could list the smallest possible percentage. In this case, “1%” of the area burnt.
The disaster has sparked significant media speculation that many of the blazes were deliberately lit.
While it is true firebugs remain a legitimate and serious threat, we crunched the numbers provided by police and fire authorities around the country.
The results might surprise you.
Surprised? No. But the self-serving gall of ABC “public servants” never fails to amaze.
Apparently arsonists only light grass fires.
NSW has been the epicentre of Australia’s bushfire crisis, but the facts show arson has little to do with it.
This week, a NSW Police media release revealed 24 people had been charged over deliberately-lit bushfires this season.
However, the majority of suspected arson relates to small grass fires and rubbish bins set alight, which have inflicted negligible damage and burnt a tiny area compared with fires sparked by lightning.
As usual, the ABC finds people with some official title who agree with their message and interviews them. They either don’t ask all the other experts, or if they do, they “forget” to mention it.
If the ABC and other Reality TV Shows have increased the rate of arson with their breathless 24/7 apocalyptic coverage, they don’t mention it.
Save the Koala’s Sell the ABC.
 
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