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    Re: Earth's Hottest Decade on Record Marked by Extreme Storms, Deadly Wildfires

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    Oh please.

    You say it all the time.

    And then I post what the scientists are saying about their research, and you demean it as a ‘blog’ and not representative of what the science says (because you, an untrained and undereducated partisan doesn’t agree).
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    Re: Earth's Hottest Decade on Record Marked by Extreme Storms, Deadly Wildfires

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    There has been no increase in the number or severity of huricanes.

    Florida is a very warm place.

    Is there any bad side to warmer winters?
    You come to FL and get run out of your home, once or twice, almost every year. Most people have no idea what 120+ mph winds sound like for 12 hours straight. It's terrifying.

    FL is like jungle hot. Two seasons, 9 months of Summer and 3 months of fall.

    Warmer winters mean more bugs. Though I do hate the cold.
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    Re: Earth's Hottest Decade on Record Marked by Extreme Storms, Deadly Wildfires

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You don't have to be a climatologist to see something's wrong. In FL we've had the fires of '98 burn up 500k acres, the Hurricanes of 2004-05 and again 2016-18. And now unusually warm winters. I'm getting skeered.
    You are also living a place that really feels the effects of the more extreme weather. While here in Sweden the effects are less severe. That things just get a lot more dark and gloomy this winter. Because we get three degrees plus Celsius and dark rain clouds instead four degrees minus and clear skies with snow that reflects the few hours of sun light.

    Also it getting a bit annoying with 30 degrees Celsius during summer time then you lack air condition and live in a house designed for cold winters, just like most homes in Sweden does because there have been no need for air conditions before. While we also have seen some of the devastating effects like more wildfires.

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    Re: Earth's Hottest Decade on Record Marked by Extreme Storms, Deadly Wildfires

    The wild fires that have a raged in Australia since September is still a threat.

    Australia wildfires: Canberra declares state of emergency as massive blaze threatens capital

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    Re: Earth's Hottest Decade on Record Marked by Extreme Storms, Deadly Wildfires

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You come to FL and get run out of your home, once or twice, almost every year. Most people have no idea what 120+ mph winds sound like for 12 hours straight. It's terrifying.

    FL is like jungle hot. Two seasons, 9 months of Summer and 3 months of fall.

    Warmer winters mean more bugs. Though I do hate the cold.
    I do not live, nor have ever been to, Florida. True enough.

    I have to ask, why when you build a house there do you not have it raised 5 feet above the surrounding land so that the flood will not hit it and build with concrete walls and a very strong roof?

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    Re: Earth's Hottest Decade on Record Marked by Extreme Storms, Deadly Wildfires

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    I do not live, nor have ever been to, Florida. True enough.

    I have to ask, why when you build a house there do you not have it raised 5 feet above the surrounding land so that the flood will not hit it and build with concrete walls and a very strong roof?
    All that cost more and they didn't used to need such strong houses. If I had a house with Hurricane straps on the roof beams, brick or block walls, I wouldn't be quite as concerned. Though, most houses are in flood zones due to the low land levels. Much of southern and eastern FL is wetlands.
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    Re: Earth's Hottest Decade on Record Marked by Extreme Storms, Deadly Wildfires

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    All that cost more and they didn't used to need such strong houses. If I had a house with Hurricane straps on the roof beams, brick or block walls, I wouldn't be quite as concerned. Though, most houses are in flood zones due to the low land levels. Much of southern and eastern FL is wetlands.
    It would be of minimal, say +10%, cost to build in that material rather than timber frame. Overall cost of the house.

    Can you cpe with a 10% smaller house?

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    Re: Earth's Hottest Decade on Record Marked by Extreme Storms, Deadly Wildfires

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    It would be of minimal, say +10%, cost to build in that material rather than timber frame. Overall cost of the house.

    Can you cpe with a 10% smaller house?
    I wouldn't mind but the contractors here rarely build anything custom that doesn't cost a fortune. You used to see a lot of pre-80's moderate to small homes built without wood frames, though that's uncommon now.

    I saw one custom built house with double brick walls, triple hurricane strapped rafters, 3 ft concrete foundation with rebar and Spanish roof tiles. It also had metal storm shutters, shatter proof windows and solid steel front and back doors. It had a full size, heavy duty generator in the utility building, with a 50 gallon supply of diesel fuel, 200 gallons of fresh potable water, a battery powered well for bathing and enough food for 7-12 months. It was surrounded with a double bricked fence, with sharp, iron pointed tops and electronic gates. Probably could withstand a 300 mph wind, easily, and was built on a 7 ft high raised land area for flooding. It was only a few thousand sq ft and cost well over a million. A damned fortress that I would love, except the dummies built it across from an elementary school with horrible noise and traffic jams twice a day.

    These people were not going to bug out for any reason. I wish all homes could be affordably built within these standards but builders way overcharge for anything that doesn't fit their cookie cutter, architecture styles. Most homes built around FL, since 1990-2019 in the $150k to $300k mark, are wood frames with stucco. I've felt the walls flex and almost cave in on my last house, during Hurricane Charley, back in 2004.
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    Re: Earth's Hottest Decade on Record Marked by Extreme Storms, Deadly Wildfires

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Most accept that pre 1950 warming is mostly natural, and equates to ~.25 C, (GISS shows .22 C, while Hadcrut4 shows .288 C).
    it is not a majority of the warming but a large portion.
    Global warming, kind of has to include the oceans and air above the oceans, least it is not...Global.
    We are getting close to a point where CO2 will likely be diminished as the majority cause of observed warming.
    Recent observations from the CERES satellites show the energy imbalance moving in a different direction than CO2 demands.
    Ether some unknown source, is overwhelming the CO2, or the basis of the mostly CO2 theory is incorrect.
    We will have to see what future observations tell us.


    “Most accept that pre 1950 warming is mostly natural, and equates to ~.25 C, (GISS shows .22 C, while Hadcrut4 shows .288 C).
    it is not a majority of the warming but a large portion.”

    Pre-1950. What "most"? How much time does that cover? Literally, the entire preceding life of the planet. Boy, what a bold statement.

    How can something be “mostly” but “not a majority”? Nonetheless, your point is meaningless. Like, what about the following 70 yrs?

    “Global warming, kind of has to include the oceans and air above the oceans, least it is not...Global.”

    The fact is, humans live on land, not on water. So, ergo, humans are more affected by GW on land, not water. GW is not evenly distributed between land and sea. It also goes to regional effects. Extremes tend to be regional, not evenly distributed. Your point is pointless.

    “We are getting close to a point where CO2 will likely be diminished as the majority cause of observed warming.
    Recent observations from the CERES satellites show the energy imbalance moving in a different direction than CO2 demands.
    Ether some unknown source, is overwhelming the CO2, or the basis of the mostly CO2 theory is incorrect.
    We will have to see what future observations tell us.”


    Like your totally unsupported El Nino theory, you’re just throwing a different pasta against the wall in the vain hope it sticks. We’ll see what more you have to throw against the wall in the future.

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    Re: Earth's Hottest Decade on Record Marked by Extreme Storms, Deadly Wildfires

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I wouldn't mind but the contractors here rarely build anything custom that doesn't cost a fortune. You used to see a lot of pre-80's moderate to small homes built without wood frames, though that's uncommon now.

    I saw one custom built house with double brick walls, triple hurricane strapped rafters, 3 ft concrete foundation with rebar and Spanish roof tiles. It also had metal storm shutters, shatter proof windows and solid steel front and back doors. It had a full size, heavy duty generator in the utility building, with a 50 gallon supply of diesel fuel, 200 gallons of fresh potable water, a battery powered well for bathing and enough food for 7-12 months. It was surrounded with a double bricked fence, with sharp, iron pointed tops and electronic gates. Probably could withstand a 300 mph wind, easily, and was built on a 7 ft high raised land area for flooding. It was only a few thousand sq ft and cost well over a million. A damned fortress that I would love, except the dummies built it across from an elementary school with horrible noise and traffic jams twice a day.

    These people were not going to bug out for any reason. I wish all homes could be affordably built within these standards but builders way overcharge for anything that doesn't fit their cookie cutter, architecture styles. Most homes built around FL, since 1990-2019 in the $150k to $300k mark, are wood frames with stucco. I've felt the walls flex and almost cave in on my last house, during Hurricane Charley, back in 2004.

    1, Me being British, the fortress anti-people stuff and the 7+ months of food are not really what you want.

    2, Spanish roof tiles, hang on looking them up, yeah, what I thought. Nope not good enough.

    3, It should be reasonably easy to uprate your own house to be huricane wind proof. Modern house exterior -13 contemporary design cladding ideas | Kebony These things are a bit wood heavy but I am not going to spend more than 4 minutes on it... You would want a strong 3/4 inch plywood underlayer and then a vapor barrier and then make sure that the cladding is very well attached to the wall. Shutters need to be strong, maybe metal.

    Your roof wants to be a metal, corrigated steel sheeting will do if it has lots and lots of attachments to a very well secured structure. The structure of the roof, whatever that is, could be easily strapped down to the walls when you do the cladding.

    Given that a corrigated steel roof will look crap you will probably want a tiled roof over that. It will help as well. Which ever tiles you prefer. Ideally they want to be secured down as well. Spanish tiles just sit there. Not good enough for me.

    4, Price would be around $2 per square foot (materials cost) for the cheap walling upwards depending on how posh you want to be.

    5. You can lift the entire house reasonably easily. Big steel frame attached under the house and jack it up. Place on piles. Dig a decent 4 x 4 x 6 feet deep hole at around every 20 feet of wall, be generous at the corners, and fill with concrete with steel rebar sticking out. This is what you should then anchor your roof down to via metal straps that are going to go under your cladding..

    How much is flooding or wind a problem for you? Is it worth doing all that?

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