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Railroading Climate Science

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Freight Railroads Funded Climate Denial for Decades - The Atlantic

In the fight against climate change, the nation’s freight railroads have painted themselves as heroes. Rail is the “the most environmentally friendly way” to move cargo over land, says the Association of American Railroads, the industry’s trade group. The industry’s four biggest companies agree: “Railroads are essential to moving [climate] objectives forward,” says CSX Transportation, the largest railroad east of the Mississippi.

Yet for almost 30 years, the biggest players in the freight-rail industry have waged a campaign to discredit climate science and oppose almost any federal climate policy...Their effort has cost at least tens of millions of dollars and outlasted individual leaders and coalitions.
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Interesting that something which does not exist is used as both a marketing tool and also requires millions of dollars be spent to deny.

Why did railroads invest millions in climate-science denial? Perhaps because coal makes up almost one of every three tons of American rail freight. Nearly 70 percent of American coal is shipped by rail, often along “dedicated” lines that can “operate around the clock,” the rail association says on its website. The largest class of railroads made a combined $10.7 billion, or 14 percent of their revenue, hauling coal last year. So while rail companies say they emitted only about 0.6 percent of U.S. greenhouse-gas pollution last year, their indirect carbon footprint may be gargantuan.
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Follow the money.
 
longview said:
If your core businesses is threatened by bad science, what is wrong with questioning the science?
Are the AGW sciences so weak that they cannot take scrutiny?
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lol...Climate Change is an easily observable fact.

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"Every year we lose a meter or half a meter of ice," said Tschannen. "Eighty years ago this glacier was much bigger than it is now."

Tschannen attributes the discovery of the Dumoulins to global warming, saying the bodies were exposed in a part of the glacier exposed to rapid melting.

The ice surrounding the prized and picturesque alps is indeed melting.
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TomFitz said:
This is especially true of CSX. The Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad was built to be a coal road.
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It’s merger partner, the Baltimore and Ohio invented the “unit train” for the extractive industries.
 
calamity said:
lol...Climate Change is an easily observable fact.

Bodies Missing for 75 Years Found—Thanks to Melting Glacier
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Do you think a melting glacier is evidence of man cause climate change?
what about the evidence that glaciers have been melting to thousands of years before Humans were a factor?
No the science is weak, and the only way to keep the political band wagon rolling, is to not allow any to question the scientific basis!
 
calamity said:
Buggy whips come to mind.

US railroads face $5 billion in lost revenues as coal demand halves by 2030: report
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The railroad industry will survive.

It remains the most efficient mover of bulk cargo there is.

And they have been reconfiguring themselves to address the drop in coal revenue. They have been doing so gradually since the great Coal Strike of 1901. Yes, coal has been declining in energy market share for over a century.

CSX is investing heavily in new marine terminal facilites, and in recent years completed a massive capital program to enable double stacking of container trains, effectively doubling its capacity along the length of its main line.

Warren Buffett wouldn’t be in the business if he thought it was a long term loser.
 
calamity said:
Freight Railroads Funded Climate Denial for Decades - The Atlantic



Interesting that something which does not exist is used as both a marketing tool and also requires millions of dollars be spent to deny.



Follow the money.
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Yes following the money answer the question why action on manmade global warming have been delayed for so long time.

Oil And Gas Giants Spend Millions Lobbying To Block Climate Change Policies [Infographic]

Scientists reveal how the fossil fuel industry misled the public about climate change
 
longview said:
If your core businesses is threatened by bad science, what is wrong with questioning the science?
Are the AGW sciences so weak that they cannot take scrutiny?
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AGW science have taken massive scrutiny for many decades from fossil fuel companies scientists, federal agencies under Republican politicians and the result is that the evidence is so overwhelming that both federal agencies under Donald Trump and fossil fuel companies have to acknowledge the urgent need for action.

Fourth National Climate Assessment

Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy
 
Bergslagstroll said:
AGW science have taken massive scrutiny for many decades from fossil fuel companies scientists, federal agencies under Republican politicians and the result is that the evidence is so overwhelming that both federal agencies under Donald Trump and fossil fuel companies have to acknowledge the urgent need for action.

Fourth National Climate Assessment

Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy
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Pretty much fact: if someone denies climate science, they are falling for propaganda.
 
calamity said:
Freight Railroads Funded Climate Denial for Decades - The Atlantic



Interesting that something which does not exist is used as both a marketing tool and also requires millions of dollars be spent to deny.



Follow the money.
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From your link:

Freight Railroads Funded Climate Denial for Decades - The Atlantic

In the fight against climate change, the nation’s freight railroads have painted themselves as heroes.
Rail is the “the most environmentally friendly way” to move cargo over land, says the Association of
American Railroads, the industry’s trade group. The industry’s four biggest companies agree:
“Railroads are essential to moving [climate] objectives forward,” says CSX Transportation, the largest
railroad east of the Mississippi.

Yet for almost 30 years, the biggest players in the freight-rail industry have waged a campaign to discredit
climate science and oppose almost any federal climate policy...Their effort has cost at least tens of millions
of dollars and outlasted individual leaders and coalitions.​

Oh my tens of millions of dollars. If you're really interested in following the money:

Here's the link to follow:
Budget | GlobalChange.gov
Can you say Two BILLION dollars? I knew you could.

By the way, if you actually do follow that link you will see that it has dropped, yes DROPPED
from nearly 2.6 Billion in 2017 to the 2.0 this year. I credit that President Donald J. Trump.
What's not to like about his administration (-:
 
Bergslagstroll said:
AGW science have taken massive scrutiny for many decades from fossil fuel companies scientists, federal agencies under Republican politicians and the result is that the evidence is so overwhelming that both federal agencies under Donald Trump and fossil fuel companies have to acknowledge the urgent need for action.

Fourth National Climate Assessment

Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy
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If you actually think the AGW sciences have taken scrutiny,
Then why is the range of ECS still so broad?
The upper end could be eliminated, but that would put the alarmist out of business.
Others besides railroads protect their flow of money!


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Conaeolos said:
Are you actually trying to suggest an industry lobby as related to climate\environmental policy is more influential and less grounded than the green lobby. :lol: That's humorous to sat the least.
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His type are always looking for scapegoats.
 
Conaeolos said:
Are you actually trying to suggest an industry lobby as related to climate\environmental policy is more influential and less grounded than the green lobby. :lol: That's humorous to sat the least.
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You sat on a least? What does that mean?
 
TomFitz said:
The railroad industry will survive.

It remains the most efficient mover of bulk cargo there is.

And they have been reconfiguring themselves to address the drop in coal revenue. They have been doing so gradually since the great Coal Strike of 1901. Yes, coal has been declining in energy market share for over a century.

CSX is investing heavily in new marine terminal facilites, and in recent years completed a massive capital program to enable double stacking of container trains, effectively doubling its capacity along the length of its main line.

Warren Buffett wouldn’t be in the business if he thought it was a long term loser.
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Yes, recall the time around 2008, before the North Dakota oil find. Oil prices were going way up, and railroad freight cargo went on a steep rise. It's just a matter of time before this happens again. The way the US burns gasoline, we'll use up the North Dakota oil in no time.
 
longview said:
If you actually think the AGW sciences have taken scrutiny,
Then why is the range of ECS still so broad?
The upper end could be eliminated, but that would put the alarmist out of business.
Others besides railroads protect their flow of money!


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The fossil fuel companies that are among the most profitable companies in the world have known about manmade global warming for over fifty years.

List of largest corporate profits and losses - Wikipedia

Oil industry knew of 'serious' climate concerns more than 45 years ago | Business | The Guardian

There fossil fuel profit's have been reduced and threatened by action to combat manmade global warming for a long time. For example that Sweden implemented a carbon tax more than 20 years ago.

How Sweden Became the World’s Most Sustainable Country: Top 5 Reasons - The ADEC Innovations Blog

So the fossil fuel have had both the resources, the time and the motivations to disprove the urgent need for action. There the result is instead that they to have to acknowledge the urgent need for action.

Statements on Paris climate agreement | ExxonMobil

You also have Bush that was president for eight year and Trump that have been president for three years. There for example Trump have claimed that climate change is a Chinese hoax and also wants to spend billions on propping up unprofitable coal plants.

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."

Donald Trump hopes to save America’s failing coal-fired power plants - Daily chart

That those Republican presidents have had both the time, resources and motivation to disprove the urgent need for action. There the result is instead that federal agencies acknowledge the urgent need for action.

https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/
 
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Media_Truth said:
Yes, recall the time around 2008, before the North Dakota oil find. Oil prices were going way up, and railroad freight cargo went on a steep rise. It's just a matter of time before this happens again. The way the US burns gasoline, we'll use up the North Dakota oil in no time.
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Areyou expecting the return of peak oil?
 
Bergslagstroll said:
The fossil fuel companies that are among the most profitable companies in the world have known about manmade global warming for over fifty years.

List of largest corporate profits and losses - Wikipedia

Oil industry knew of 'serious' climate concerns more than 45 years ago | Business | The Guardian

There fossil fuel profit's have been reduced and threatened by action to combat manmade global warming for a long time. For example that Sweden implemented a carbon tax more than 20 years ago.

How Sweden Became the World’s Most Sustainable Country: Top 5 Reasons - The ADEC Innovations Blog

So the fossil fuel have had both the resources, the time and the motivations to disprove the urgent need for action. There the result is instead that they to have to acknowledge the urgent need for action.

Statements on Paris climate agreement | ExxonMobil

You also have Bush that was president for eight year and Trump that have been president for three years. There for example Trump have claimed that climate change is a Chinese hoax and also wants to spend billions on propping up unprofitable coal plants.

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."

Donald Trump hopes to save America’s failing coal-fired power plants - Daily chart

That those Republican presidents have had both the time, resources and motivation to disprove the urgent need for action. There the result is instead that federal agencies acknowledge the urgent need for action.

https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/
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None of your redundant citations alter the fact that the people who make alarming findings about AGW also have a financial motive!
 
longview said:
None of your redundant citations alter the fact that the people who make alarming findings about AGW also have a financial motive!
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I guess the fact that the alarming findings about AGW also have observable evidence supporting the alarm escapes you.

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calamity said:
I guess the fact that the alarming findings about AGW also have observable evidence supporting the alarm escapes you.

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Your own heavily adjusted PISS chart DOES NOT support the IPCC per decade warming rate.

Cheers.
 
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