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    Re: Foundation of a New Climate Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    lol

    Sorry not sorry, but repeating Shaviv's flawed claims verbatim is not an actual refutation.

    • Are you denying that cosmic rays and solar activity happen in 10-12 year cycles? Shaviv doesn't. Look at his own chart.

    • There is no correlation between "sea level rate of change" and any global temperature measure, including GISS, BEST, HADCRUT4, UAH, RSS, some of which include direct measurement of ocean temperatures. Why is there no correlation? Why is such an indirect measure as "sea level rate of change" better at describing global temperatures, when it doesn't measure land surface or lower atmospheric temperatures?

    They can't both be right. How do you explain the contradiction?

    • Why doesn't Shaviv's sea level data match either Colorado or PMSML?

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    Why doesn't a straight chart of PMSML and TSI show any correlation, let alone anything like his chart? (I think I know why...)

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    • How does his theory explain the significant increase in the rate of sea level rise, starting around 1900? And remember, in order for a "new paradigm" to work, it has to provide a better explanation of data that the old paradigm. I.e. he has to show how solar activity/cosmic rays changed significantly around 1900; neither he nor you can toss out data because it doesn't fit your preferred theory or outcome.

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    And of course, Shaviv's theory doesn't explain so many other factors, such as the correlation of CO2 and other GHGs with global temperatures; it doesn't explain why we were in the middle of a Milankovitch Cycle when temperatures went through the roof; it doesn't explain why the rate of sea level rise has started to increase in recent years; the list goes on.

    It's pretty obvious that Shaviv is trying to jam a square peg in a round hole. Pro tip: That's not how you get a Nobel prize.
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    Re: Foundation of a New Climate Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    lol

    Sorry not sorry, but repeating Shaviv's flawed claims verbatim is not an actual refutation.

    • Are you denying that cosmic rays and solar activity happen in 10-12 year cycles? Shaviv doesn't. Look at his own chart.

    • There is no correlation between "sea level rate of change" and any global temperature measure, including GISS, BEST, HADCRUT4, UAH, RSS, some of which include direct measurement of ocean temperatures. Why is there no correlation? Why is such an indirect measure as "sea level rate of change" better at describing global temperatures, when it doesn't measure land surface or lower atmospheric temperatures?

    They can't both be right. How do you explain the contradiction?

    • Why doesn't Shaviv's sea level data match either Colorado or PMSML?

    Attachment 67272211

    Attachment 67272221


    Why doesn't a straight chart of PMSML and TSI show any correlation, let alone anything like his chart? (I think I know why...)

    Attachment 67272249


    • How does his theory explain the significant increase in the rate of sea level rise, starting around 1900? And remember, in order for a "new paradigm" to work, it has to provide a better explanation of data that the old paradigm. I.e. he has to show how solar activity/cosmic rays changed significantly around 1900; neither he nor you can toss out data because it doesn't fit your preferred theory or outcome.

    Attachment 67272215



    And of course, Shaviv's theory doesn't explain so many other factors, such as the correlation of CO2 and other GHGs with global temperatures; it doesn't explain why we were in the middle of a Milankovitch Cycle when temperatures went through the roof; it doesn't explain why the rate of sea level rise has started to increase in recent years; the list goes on.

    It's pretty obvious that Shaviv is trying to jam a square peg in a round hole. Pro tip: That's not how you get a Nobel prize.
    Sorry, but you have to debate the actual Shaviv thesis. Not a strawman of your own creation.

    1. Shaviv explains why the 11 year cycle doesn't show up on short time scales.
    2. Shaviv makes no claim of any correlation between between sea level rate of change and temperature.
    3. His sea-level data derives from satellite altimetry, and has not been questioned since it was published.
    4. Accelerating sea level rise in the 20th century correlates nicely with 20th century increased solar activity.
    5. Pro tip: TSI is not important to the Svensmark/Shaviv thesis.
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    Re: Foundation of a New Climate Paradigm

    Yawn. Written within days of the publication of Svensmark et al 2017. No time to really read it, let alone study.
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    Re: Foundation of a New Climate Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yawn. Written within days of the publication of Svensmark et al 2017. No time to really read it, let alone study.
    In your opinion.


    The theory was studied and found lacking

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    Re: Foundation of a New Climate Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yawn. Written within days of the publication of Svensmark et al 2017. No time to really read it, let alone study.
    Also the critique was not peer reviewed!

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    Re: Foundation of a New Climate Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Also the critique was not peer reviewed!
    Accuracy doesn't matter.

    It fits his confirmation bias.
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    Re: Foundation of a New Climate Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Accuracy doesn't matter.

    It fits his confirmation bias.
    How is it inaccurate exactly?

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    Re: Foundation of a New Climate Paradigm

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    In your opinion.


    The theory was studied and found lacking
    Then you'll need to explain why the Royal Astronomical Society continues to publish his work.
    And as was pointed out by longview, the critique was not peer-reviewed.
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