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    Re: How cults, green and other wise, work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I have long been intrigued by the incongruity of anthropogenic global warming "skeptics" surprisingly thin evidence base and the adamancy of its advocates. Their use of the term "cultist" to describe proponents of AGW suggests a state of mind outside that commonly associated with scientific inquiry. I was recently struck by a juxtaposition which may explain (at least in part) this phenomenon.
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    Re: How cults, green and other wise, work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I don't understand how a right winger can learn about the nature of cults and not have the least bit of self-awareness.
    If you can spot me using some derogotory trem to lable people sub-human such as Denier or Liberal or something that would be some evidence of how I am in a cult I will be interested.

    That you will attack the person rather than the idea says that you are using group think rather than rationality.

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    Re: How cults, green and other wise, work.

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Actually the cult like behavior is more represented by the alarmist.
    Actually, no. It's the Truther-like morons that believe Limbaugh and a CT blog is an education. They're pathetic and everyone can see it.

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    Re: How cults, green and other wise, work.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Actually, no. It's the Truther-like morons that believe Limbaugh and a CT blog is an education. They're pathetic and everyone can see it.
    The data is the data, and says that the climate's sensitivity to added CO2 is quite low.
    I am not following anyone, but simply looking at the data myself.
    Which side is calling for the suppression of dissent?
    Which side is claiming they are supported by the consensus?
    Which side is appealing to authority?
    Science is about the appeal to the data, not authority.
    The data tells us that CO2 has mostly already done what it can do,
    Virtually all radiation in the claimed bands between of 13.5 and 17 microns is already
    not making it out of the atmosphere.
    Even if you use the numbers of the people who argue against CO2 saturation,
    there numbers do not add up to significantly greater capability.
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...gument-part-ii
    Based on the real climate findings, and the total greenhouse effect of ~150 Wm-2,
    the remaining capability of 2XCO2 is only around 1 Wm-2.

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    Re: How cults, green and other wise, work.

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    The data is the data, and says that the climate's sensitivity to added CO2 is quite low.
    I am not following anyone, but simply looking at the data myself.
    Which side is calling for the suppression of dissent?
    Which side is claiming they are supported by the consensus?
    Which side is appealing to authority?
    Science is about the appeal to the data, not authority.
    The data tells us that CO2 has mostly already done what it can do,
    Virtually all radiation in the claimed bands between of 13.5 and 17 microns is already
    not making it out of the atmosphere.
    Even if you use the numbers of the people who argue against CO2 saturation,
    there numbers do not add up to significantly greater capability.
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...gument-part-ii
    Based on the real climate findings, and the total greenhouse effect of ~150 Wm-2,
    the remaining capability of 2XCO2 is only around 1 Wm-2.
    Yes, but the point of this thread is that we also could be in some sort of group think thing.

    I don't think so but then it is not very easy to see the cult from the inside.

    I think the fact that we attack the Alarmist naritive from different angles, you from the position of a good depth of data and knowledge of the arguments of the science, whilst I demand to see the actual bad impacts of the predictions regardless of the credibility of much of that science, means that we presumable are a lot less of a group think thing.

    Also the group think is most absorbing to those who are socially adept. That is the more of a team player you are the more you can be attracted to the group think mentality. Given my social discordance, and I think the general pattern of those on the Skeptic side is probably similar. Similarly we have jobs or had jobs that don't need to be all that communicative with others. I don't see many of us who have come from an advertising background. Thus we are less good at communicating than the Alarmist side. Just discordant. Herd of cats.

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    Re: How cults, green and other wise, work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    If you can spot me using some derogotory trem to lable people sub-human such as Denier or Liberal or something that would be some evidence of how I am in a cult I will be interested.

    That you will attack the person rather than the idea says that you are using group think rather than rationality.
    Ahh, but it's ok for you to post your silly little youtube video and declare everyone who disagrees with you is in a cult? You want to talk about derogatory? You're even saying "liberal" is a label of something sub-human? Jesus, he who lives in a glass house and all that.
    “personal attorney” to Individual-1, who at that point had become the President of the United States
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    I don't know who [Individual-1] is and neither do you.

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    Re: How cults, green and other wise, work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    All sizzle, no steak.
    Correct. And seeing as how those were your words, just swapped sides...
    “personal attorney” to Individual-1, who at that point had become the President of the United States
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't know who [Individual-1] is and neither do you.

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    Re: How cults, green and other wise, work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ahh, but it's ok for you to post your silly little youtube video and declare everyone who disagrees with you is in a cult? You want to talk about derogatory? You're even saying "liberal" is a label of something sub-human? Jesus, he who lives in a glass house and all that.
    1, I was using the word Liberal as an example of how a word can be used to denegrate. I find it common for the American extreme Right/Christian/Reactionary/Repulican/Trumpist to use this word to denegrate. I personally consider myself a Liberal. You would understand the point if you watched the video.

    2, The point of the video, if you were to watch it, is that all of us may well be using group think. That you are not going to find it easy to see the cult from the inside.

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    Re: How cults, green and other wise, work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Correct. And seeing as how those were your words, just swapped sides...
    I followed up with substance and reference to two books. You followed up with . . . . nothing.
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