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    Re: US green economy generates $1.3 trillion and employs millions, new study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by TomFitz View Post
    Particularized fibreglass????

    Better stay away from marinas and Corvette shows!
    Their bodies are coming apart or eroding like windmill blades do.

    The left says the right is full of racists and bigots and have no tolerance. Nobody from the right organizes interference with gay pride parades, or other leftist events. The left however always has a group interfering with events organized by the right. Who are the tolerant ones I ask? Most certainly not the left.

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    Re: US green economy generates $1.3 trillion and employs millions, new study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Those are ok, as they burn gasoline.
    LOL...

    I get the puns, but really now. I'm trying to bring another ugly reality of windmills in focus.
    The left says the right is full of racists and bigots and have no tolerance. Nobody from the right organizes interference with gay pride parades, or other leftist events. The left however always has a group interfering with events organized by the right. Who are the tolerant ones I ask? Most certainly not the left.

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    Re: US green economy generates $1.3 trillion and employs millions, new study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Surface Detail View Post
    And until the mid 1970s, the consensus was that human activities could not appreciably alter the climate.
    I don't think there was ever such a question raised by the science community, but for years, science fiction has talked about altering the weather. And you have CT nuts thinking the warming the ionosphere with Shortwave spoken about in papers about geometric modulation means we are using weather control.
    The left says the right is full of racists and bigots and have no tolerance. Nobody from the right organizes interference with gay pride parades, or other leftist events. The left however always has a group interfering with events organized by the right. Who are the tolerant ones I ask? Most certainly not the left.

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    Re: US green economy generates $1.3 trillion and employs millions, new study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Surface Detail View Post
    . . . new evidence came along and the consensus changed. That's how science works.
    Just as it's in the process of changing again.
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    Re: US green economy generates $1.3 trillion and employs millions, new study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Surface Detail View Post
    . . . new evidence came along and the consensus changed. That's how science works.
    But consensus isn't science.

    We are altering the rate of ice melt with aerosols.

    We are altering urban heat levels by changes in albedo and loss of evapotransiration.

    We are altering farmland areas by increasing evapotransiration with irrigation.

    We do alter in small ways, that only you deniers of science refuse to accept. But CO2.... That small compared to these other factors.
    The left says the right is full of racists and bigots and have no tolerance. Nobody from the right organizes interference with gay pride parades, or other leftist events. The left however always has a group interfering with events organized by the right. Who are the tolerant ones I ask? Most certainly not the left.

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    Re: US green economy generates $1.3 trillion and employs millions, new study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Surface Detail View Post
    For a 47+% increase in CO2, we see so little warming, and part of the warming we see if from other variables.
    The left says the right is full of racists and bigots and have no tolerance. Nobody from the right organizes interference with gay pride parades, or other leftist events. The left however always has a group interfering with events organized by the right. Who are the tolerant ones I ask? Most certainly not the left.

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    Re: US green economy generates $1.3 trillion and employs millions, new study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    At any one time of course there's consensus. Then it's overturned by something new. And no, I'm not talking about "ultimate truth" (whatever that is). I'm talking about the core business of science.

    ". . . In addition, let me remind you that the track record of the consensus is nothing to be proud of. Let’s review a few cases.
    In past centuries, the greatest killer of women was fever following childbirth . One woman in six died of this fever. In 1795, Alexander Gordon of Aberdeen suggested that the fevers were infectious processes, and he was able to cure them. The consensus said no. In 1843, Oliver Wendell Holmes claimed puerperal fever was contagious, and presented compelling evidence. The consensus said no. In 1849, Semmelweiss demonstrated that sanitary techniques virtually eliminated puerperal fever in hospitals under his management. The consensus said he was a Jew, ignored him, and dismissed him from his post. There was in fact no agreement on puerperal fever until the start of the twentieth century. Thus the consensus took one hundred and twenty five years to arrive at the right conclusion despite the efforts of the prominent “skeptics” around the world, skeptics who were demeaned and ignored. And despite the constant ongoing deaths of women.

    There is no shortage of other examples. In the 1920s in America, tens of thousands of people, mostly poor, were dying of a disease called pellagra. The consensus of scientists said it was infectious, and what was necessary was to find the “pellagra germ.” The US government asked a brilliant young investigator, Dr. Joseph Goldberger, to find the cause. Goldberger concluded that diet was the crucial factor. The consensus remained wedded to the germ theory. Goldberger demonstrated that he could induce the disease through diet. He demonstrated that the disease was not infectious by injecting the blood of a pellagra patient into himself, and his assistant. They and other volunteers swabbed their noses with swabs from pellagra patients, and swallowed capsules containing scabs from pellagra rashes in what were called “Goldberger’s filth parties.” Nobody contracted pellagra. The consensus continued to disagree with him. There was, in addition, a social factor — southern States disliked the idea of poor diet as the cause, because it meant that social reform was required. They continued to deny it until the 1920s. Result — despite a twentieth century epidemic, the consensus took years to see the light.


    Probably every schoolchild notices that South America and Africa seem to fit together rather snugly, and Alfred Wegener proposed, in 1912, that the continents had in fact drifted apart. The consensus sneered at continental drift for fifty years. The theory was most vigorously denied by the great names of geology — until 1961, when it began to seem as if the sea floors were spreading. The result: it took the consensus fifty years to acknowledge what any schoolchild sees.

    And shall we go on? The examples can be multiplied endlessly. Jenner and smallpox, Pasteur and germ theory. Saccharine, margarine, repressed memory, fiber and colon cancer, hormone replacement therapy. The list of consensus errors goes on and on.

    Finally, I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E=mc2 . Nobody says the consensus is that the sun is 93 million miles away. It would never occur to anyone to speak that way. . . . "


    Aliens Cause Global Warming
    This is bunk.

    Here is how the business of science works:

    Science advances through research- grant funding for such research is approved through a process of peer review consensus. It then gets published in journals- through a process or peer review consensus. It then gets into textbooks- the content of which is decided through.... you guessed: peer review consensus.

    This all requires consensus. Consensus can change over time with new observations and new models. So of course you can give us examples of science from the 1920s that are now considered obsolete. That's why science is constantly changing and scientists have to stay up on the latest in the journals in their field. But the community of experts in that field get to decide what stays and what goes too- through consensus. That is no reason to delegitimize, discredit, or ignore the latest scientific recommendations or consensus.

    You can not give us a single example of any science that is NOT currently built on a consensus of the experts in that field.
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    Re: US green economy generates $1.3 trillion and employs millions, new study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    For a 47+% increase in CO2, we see so little warming, and part of the warming we see if from other variables.
    The unanimous consensus of every single scientific organization on the planet says you are mistaken. You need to go back and look to see where you have gone wrong in your understanding and reasoning.

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    Re: US green economy generates $1.3 trillion and employs millions, new study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    But consensus isn't science.
    It is. Give me one example of any scientific idea that does not have the consensus of the experts in that field.

    And please don't tell me that Galileo or Einstein challenged the consensus and were eventually proven right. Their ideas became considered real science because they were eventually able to convince their peers of the new ideas and build a new consensus in that community. Until they did, it was not considered real science.

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    Re: US green economy generates $1.3 trillion and employs millions, new study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Their bodies are coming apart or eroding like windmill blades do.

    So how is this different than bodies of semitrucks coming apart and eroding? You want to get rid of semis too?

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