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Our house is on fire': EU parliament declares climate emergency

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The EU parliament have declared a climate emergency and urge the member states to set a zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

The European parliament has declared a global “climate and environmental emergency” as it urged all EU countries to commit to net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

The vote came as scientists warned that the world may have already crossed a series of climate tipping points, resulting in “a state of planetary emergency”.

Intended to demonstrate Europe’s green credentials days before a crucial UN climate conference in Madrid, the vote also ratchets up pressure on Ursula von der Leyen, the incoming president of the European commission, who declared this week that the EU would lead the fight against “the existential threat” of the climate crisis.

'Our house is on fire': EU parliament declares climate emergency | World news | The Guardian

That is a positive and vital step just like all the other countries and local governments that have declared a climate emergency.

Climate emergency declarations in 1,195 jurisdictions and local governments cover 545 million citizens - Climate Emergency Declaration

While it need to followed by real action. So it therefor so good that you will have millions of people all across the world that will participate in the global climate action day on Friday and demanding that the warnings from the world leading scientists should be listen to.

Map - FridaysForFuture
 
Bergslagstroll said:
The EU parliament have declared a climate emergency and urge the member states to set a zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

The European parliament has declared a global “climate and environmental emergency” as it urged all EU countries to commit to net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

The vote came as scientists warned that the world may have already crossed a series of climate tipping points, resulting in “a state of planetary emergency”.

Intended to demonstrate Europe’s green credentials days before a crucial UN climate conference in Madrid, the vote also ratchets up pressure on Ursula von der Leyen, the incoming president of the European commission, who declared this week that the EU would lead the fight against “the existential threat” of the climate crisis.

'Our house is on fire': EU parliament declares climate emergency | World news | The Guardian

That is a positive and vital step just like all the other countries and local governments that have declared a climate emergency.

Climate emergency declarations in 1,195 jurisdictions and local governments cover 545 million citizens - Climate Emergency Declaration

While it need to followed by real action. So it therefor so good that you will have millions of people all across the world that will participate in the global climate action day on Friday and demanding that the warnings from the world leading scientists should be listen to.

Map - FridaysForFuture
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"That is a positive and vital step..."

Positively ignorant!
 
Bergslagstroll said:
The EU parliament have declared a climate emergency and urge the member states to set a zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

The European parliament has declared a global “climate and environmental emergency” as it urged all EU countries to commit to net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

The vote came as scientists warned that the world may have already crossed a series of climate tipping points, resulting in “a state of planetary emergency”.

Intended to demonstrate Europe’s green credentials days before a crucial UN climate conference in Madrid, the vote also ratchets up pressure on Ursula von der Leyen, the incoming president of the European commission, who declared this week that the EU would lead the fight against “the existential threat” of the climate crisis.

'Our house is on fire': EU parliament declares climate emergency | World news | The Guardian

That is a positive and vital step just like all the other countries and local governments that have declared a climate emergency.

Climate emergency declarations in 1,195 jurisdictions and local governments cover 545 million citizens - Climate Emergency Declaration

While it need to followed by real action. So it therefor so good that you will have millions of people all across the world that will participate in the global climate action day on Friday and demanding that the warnings from the world leading scientists should be listen to.

Map - FridaysForFuture
Click to expand...

In other news, California has announced it is building a dome over California to keep control of their own climate they can’t control others. They will fight climate change until the tax payers run out of money and last dollar is spent.
 
chuckiechan said:
In other news, California has announced it is building a dome over California to keep control of their own climate they can’t control others. They will fight climate change until the tax payers run out of money and last dollar is spent.
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The next action movie.

Escape from California.
 
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[h=1]Michael Shellenberger: Apocalypse Cancelled?[/h][FONT=&quot]Guest “attaboy” by David Middleton Time Magazine “Hero of the Environment” and Green Book Award Winner Michael Shellenberger slaps down the apocalyptic climate change propagandists… Nov 25, 2019Why Apocalyptic Claims About Climate Change Are WrongMichael Shellenberger Environmental journalists and advocates have in recent weeks made a number of apocalyptic predictions about the impact of climate…
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chuckiechan said:
In other news, California has announced it is building a dome over California to keep control of their own climate they can’t control others. They will fight climate change until the tax payers run out of money and last dollar is spent.
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Having communities, governments, corporations and individuals leading the way in the transition away from fossil fuels have lead to economy of scale and innovation in renewables, batteries and other technology. So that you have a drastic decline in cost of renewable energy, batteries and other technologies.

Renewable Energy Costs Take Another Tumble, Making Fossil Fuels Look More Expensive Than Ever

While also for example that over 150 of the world’s most influential companies have committed to source 100 percent renewable electricity.

Exxon knows renewables are cheaper, even if Trump doesn't

There also Republican politicians are seeing the great benefits of renewable energy.

Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy
 
The new European Commission president are also committed to take action on climate change.

"German conservative Ursula von der Leyen told the European Parliament on Wednesday that fighting climate change was an “existential” challenge and she would ensure money was provided to help adapt economies to lower fossil fuel consumption and greenhouse gas emissions.

Speaking ahead of a final vote in the chamber to confirm her as European Commission president from Dec. 1, and also confirm the other Commission members, von der Leyen said: “We don’t have a moment to waste any more on fighting climate change.”


There her home country Germany is a positive example how you can create new jobs and opportunities for former coal miners.

How Germany closed its coal industry without sacking a single miner

Germany also listen to the young activists and acknowledge the need for swift action on climate change.

Merkel says Greta Thunberg 'drove us' to move on climate change

Germany unveils $60 billion climate crisis plan - CNN
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Having communities, governments, corporations and individuals leading the way in the transition away from fossil fuels have lead to economy of scale and innovation in renewables, batteries and other technology. So that you have a drastic decline in cost of renewable energy, batteries and other technologies.

Renewable Energy Costs Take Another Tumble, Making Fossil Fuels Look More Expensive Than Ever

While also for example that over 150 of the world’s most influential companies have committed to source 100 percent renewable electricity.

Exxon knows renewables are cheaper, even if Trump doesn't

There also Republican politicians are seeing the great benefits of renewable energy.

Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy
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[FONT=&quot]Climate Economics / Renewable energy[/FONT]
[h=1]Excess costs of UK Weather Dependent Renewable Energy: 2018[/h][FONT=&quot]Reposted from edmhdotme Summary: 2018 using Renewable Energy Foundation data In 2018 UK Weather dependent renewables generated some 7.7 Gigawatts of power from an installed fleet of ~34 Gigawatts achieving a satisfactory overall capacity factor for Renewables of ~23%. The installed fleet cost ~84£billion in capital costs with average costs of ~11£billion/Gigawatt produced in capital…


https://edmhdotme.wordpress.com/global-man-made-co2-emissions-1965-2018-bp-data/
These calculations clearly contradict the popular assertion that Weather Dependent Renewables are now price competitive with conventional power generation, Gas-firing and even Nuclear power. They only compare the comparative costs of their power generating capability, leaving aside other unquantified ancillary costs of their use in operation.
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EU Parliamentarian Celebrates Passing Climate Emergency, But Then Hops On Jet To Frankfurt, And Berlin!

By P Gosselin on 1. December 2019
Europe’s hypocrite of the week:
After celebrating at Twitter the passage of the symbolic climate emergency in the EU Parliament in Strasbourg on Thursday, parliamentarian Sven Giegold of the Green Party hops on a jet to Berlin!

Green EU Sven Giegold arrives by jet plane at a Berlin airport – carrying a winter parka! – after declaring global warming emergency. Image cropped at Bild.​
We’ve all heard about the EU declaring a global climate emergency. Man has to profoundly alter its behavior if we are to have any hope of recusing the planet. . . .
That’s what Europeans parliamentarians will be expecting of us.
Green hypocrites
It turns out that one of these parliamentarians is German Sven Giegold (50) of the Green Party. Last Thursday in Strasbourg Mr. Giegold voted in favor of the “climate emergency”, reports Germany’s Berliner Zeitung (BZ) here. Immediately he celebrated the Parliament’s decision on Twitter as an “important sign at the right time”.



Giegold’s tweet in English: “Yes! The European Parliament proclaims the #Climate crisis! An important sign at the right time. These are crucial years for future generations!​

In his tweet, he also criticized the German CDU parliamentarians for not supporting the emergency declaration, adding: “Sadly, large sections of the Christian Democrats voted against. #Climate Emergency.”
238 tonnes of CO2 in a single afternoon
Giegold’s act alone of course comes as no surprise considering he’s from the Green Party. But the BZ then adds: “The problem: immediately after the meeting he got on the plane, flew to Frankfurt, from there to Berlin (CO2 footprint: 238 kilograms)”!
Obviously Giegold could not be bothered booking a train ride from Strasbourg to Berlin, which he demands of all other ordinary citizens.
Giegold’s glaring hypocrisy massively criticized
According to the BZ, the “EU Green was caught at Tegel Airport and promptly caught a massive ****storm on the net.”
Giegold’s grand act of hypocrisy was called “a certain double standard” by German CDU politician Sven Schulze, who hit back at Giegold’s criticism of CDU parliamentarian votes: “Very sad colleague @sven_giegold is rather your #hypocrisy. In the morning in the #Europaparlament you proclaim the #Climate emergency and in the afternoon you take the plane for the short distance from Frankfurt to Berlin. (Didn’t the #greens want to ban these short flights?)”.
“Had to be in Berlin at 6 pm”
Indeed the German Greens are pushing for a ban of short domestic flights. Giegold, though, seems to believe he’s above all that.
According to German tabloid Bild here, Giegold insisted that he had no choice but to fly. Bild writes: “At 6 pm he had an appointment in the Federal Council. Giegold said: ‘In the evening I had the obligation to be in Berlin – at 6 pm. The vote in Strasbourg was over at 12.45 pm. It was impossible with the train.'”
“International and European policymaking impossible without flying”
“The flight was purely work-related, and not for private purposes,” said the Green EU parliamentarian. He added: “International and European policymaking are impossible without air transport. It is important that European democracy works,” Giegold continued.
Wow.
 
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[h=1]Democrats fly to Madrid to conceal Paris Agreement’s colossal failure from Americans[/h][FONT=&quot]Guest essay by Larry Hamlin Democratic Party House Speaker and U.S. climate alarmist chief czar Nancy Pelosi along with selected Democrat alarmist schemers flew to Madrid to make a political appearance at the latest UN junket that like all prior UN climate junkets will fail yet again. The Wall Street Journal addressed this appearance by…
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Even Faster, More Powerful Than Climate Change… Europe’s Movement To Ecological Tyranny Emerging Rapidly

By P Gosselin on 4. December 2019
Claims of an escalating climate crisis are getting ever shriller in Europe and calls for “real and radical action” are becoming increasingly urgent.
Leaders are now labelling their own citizens “ecological vandals”, and openly demanding they be brought under tight control by a China-modelled system. The building blocks for a tyranny are in place.
Lately the thinly veiled calls for watering down western democracy have been becoming increasingly clear and unmistakable.
All the cornerstones for a green tyranny are emerging in Europe: 1) a claimed climate crisis that is 2) attributable to reckless human behavior, 3) it is urgent and 4) thus justifies strict regulation of human behavior, and all accompanied by 5) actions to silence dissident views.
Consumers criminalized, being labelled “ecological vandals”
Blaming humans for the ” climate crisis” is already well underway across Europe.
Recently the online Die Welt reported on a DPA interview of Green Party mastermind Nico Paech, who in the interview called for “a radical change in the behavior of citizens.”
Economist Paech, a proponent of a “post-growth economy which calls for a move away from consumerism and further economic growth, told the DPA that a majority society “believes it is climate competent, but lives like ecological vandals.” In other words, free citizens are to be viewed as criminals.
What is needed, said Paech, was a “radical reorientation” in order to “drastically reduce the emission of greenhouse gases quickly” and that it was necessary to “clear out our lifestyles”. What is needed is an authoritarian government to take swift and harsh control, he suggests.
German leader: China-like dictatorship “more efficient”
Meanwhile German Green Party leader Robert Habeck last year in an interview with Phoenix German public television told viewers that if a democracy is unable to keep pace with the pressing challenges, then “a centralized system, which is naturally faster” needs to be seriously considered. . . .

EU declares climate state of emergency​
And to lay the groundwork for implementing such radical authoritarian initiatives, it comes as no surprise that the EU just recently declared “a climate emergency” after a vote of 429 MEPs in favour and 225 against. “Europe became the first continent to make this declaration,” Euronews.com reported.
Note s state of emergency is defined as follows:
A situation in which a government is empowered to perform actions or impose policies that it would normally not be permitted to undertake. A government can declare such a state during a disaster, civil unrest, or armed conflict. Such declarations alert citizens to change their normal behavior and orders government agencies to implement emergency plans.”
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So, there’s really not much left to keep the EU from grabbing a lot more power, except ardent protests. But here, too, EU leaders are at work.
Free speech has its limits
Listen to German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s speech on freedom of expression, where she says ” freedom of speech has its limits” and that “we have to take away your freedom of speech, or else society won’t be free.”
Surely everyone is against hate speech. But deciding what qualifies as hate speech should not be left to governments – especially those obsessed with a climate doomsday to the point that they now label climate science skeptics as “deniers” and hinder them from expressing dissent and participating in public debate.
Moreover, Big Social Media like Twitter, Google and Facebook are also busily working behind the scenes obstructing dissenters from getting their views out over a variety of issues. And they are under increasing pressure to clamp down even harder.
So the building blocks of a green tyranny are already in place in Europe: crisis, urgency, culprit, proposed system, suppression of speech.
Opportunity knocks
Right now, the EU is just waiting patiently for that one opportune moment. We are possibly witnessing a watershed historical event in the making.
 
Europe has a long history of self destruction, the worlds most destructive wars were started there, so were the periodic plagues that killed large areas of the population, so were the over the top religious persecutions and wars.

It is why I have NEVER wanted to visit that part of the world, they are too often full of **** and have been stridently anti American, who helped bailed their snail eating asses from the ravages of WW2, they would be speaking German today if America didn't step in and bail out the commies and Europeons out, and gave away massive $$$ to help them rebuild afterwards. Help protect Europeons from the danger of Commies from the east after WW2 ended.

They can go rot to hell, I simply don't care.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
The EU parliament have declared a climate emergency and urge the member states to set a zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

The European parliament has declared a global “climate and environmental emergency” as it urged all EU countries to commit to net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

The vote came as scientists warned that the world may have already crossed a series of climate tipping points, resulting in “a state of planetary emergency”.

Intended to demonstrate Europe’s green credentials days before a crucial UN climate conference in Madrid, the vote also ratchets up pressure on Ursula von der Leyen, the incoming president of the European commission, who declared this week that the EU would lead the fight against “the existential threat” of the climate crisis.

'Our house is on fire': EU parliament declares climate emergency | World news | The Guardian

That is a positive and vital step just like all the other countries and local governments that have declared a climate emergency.

Climate emergency declarations in 1,195 jurisdictions and local governments cover 545 million citizens - Climate Emergency Declaration

While it need to followed by real action. So it therefor so good that you will have millions of people all across the world that will participate in the global climate action day on Friday and demanding that the warnings from the world leading scientists should be listen to.

Map - FridaysForFuture
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Yup the politicians just love the highly successful cash cow they have created especially in Europe .... thats always why its always them and not the scientists that scream the loudest

Ker ching ..... ;)
 
Sunsettommy said:
Europe has a long history of self destruction, the worlds most destructive wars were started there, so were the periodic plagues that killed large areas of the population, so were the over the top religious persecutions and wars.

It is why I have NEVER wanted to visit that part of the world, they are too often full of **** and have been stridently anti American, who helped bailed their snail eating asses from the ravages of WW2, they would be speaking German today if America didn't step in and bail out the commies and Europeons out, and gave away massive $$$ to help them rebuild afterwards. Help protect Europeons from the danger of Commies from the east after WW2 ended.

They can go rot to hell, I simply don't care.
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We aren't all bad. The industrial revolution might never have happened were it not for Europe after all :wink: I suspect the current European massive guilt trip over the environment might be a retrospective anal gazing hair shirt exercise on that score :(
 
flogger said:
Yup the politicians just love the highly successful cash cow they have created especially in Europe .... thats always why its always them and not the scientists that scream the loudest

Ker ching ..... ;)
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Subsides to fossil fuel have for a long time been bigger than subsidies to renewables.

Just 10% of fossil fuel subsidy cash 'could pay for green transition' | Environment | The Guardian

There Trump also wants to spend billions of dollar on propping up failing coal plants.

Donald Trump hopes to save America’s failing coal-fired power plants - Daily chart
 
EU's central bank can play a vital role in the transition away from fossil fuels.

"Christine Lagarde has said the European Central Bank should do more to help tackle the climate emergency, as she came under pressure from MEPs to step up action against global heating.
In a strong hint that as president she would move the ECB beyond its traditional remit of controlling inflation, Lagarde said the bank would incorporate the climate threat into both its economic forecasts and in its capacity as watchdog of the financial system.

The ECB, like all central banks, uses models to forecast how the eurozone economy will work. “These models need to incorporate the risk of climate change,” said Lagarde. “That’s the very least, I think, we should expect.”"

Climate emergency: Lagarde says ECB must step up action | World news | The Guardian
 
[h=2]Warmth-Demanding Species Present In The Early Holocene Arctic Verify It Was 7°C Warmer Then[/h]By Kenneth Richard on 9. December 2019
[h=4]Scientists find three Arctic (Svalbard) lakes were all ~7°C warmer than they are now about 10,000 years ago – when CO2 concentrations were only 260 ppm.[/h]According to a just-published Geophysical Research Letters paper (van der Bilt et al., 2019), not only were surface temperatures 7°C warmer than today in High Arctic Svalbard due to the accompanying “high radiative forcing” during the Early Holocene, but sea ice limits were well north of the study area back then too.
The authors point out that model “simulations neither reproduce this reconstructed pattern nor its magnitude.” This is presumably because the model simulations are predicated on the assumption CO2 concentrations are a primary climate driver.
Holocene-Cooling-Svalbard-Arctic-7-C-warmer-van-der-Bilt-2019.jpg

[h=6]Image Source: van der Bilt et al., 2019[/h]This paper is yet another in a “growing body of recent work” that uses the prevalence of warmth-demanding (thermophilious) species present in Arctic locations to reconstruct regional temperatures based on a requisite warmth limit for the species’ survival.
Earlier this year Leopold et al., 2019 assessed temperatures were 5-8°C warmer than today in Arctic Svalbard 8 to 10 thousand years ago due to the presence of Mytilus spp, a warmth-loving mussel.
Holocene-Cooling-Svalbard-Arctic-Leopold-2019.jpg

[h=6]Image Source: Leopold et al., 2019[/h]
 
Bergslagstroll said:
The EU parliament have declared a climate emergency and urge the member states to set a zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

The European parliament has declared a global “climate and environmental emergency” as it urged all EU countries to commit to net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

The vote came as scientists warned that the world may have already crossed a series of climate tipping points, resulting in “a state of planetary emergency”.

Intended to demonstrate Europe’s green credentials days before a crucial UN climate conference in Madrid, the vote also ratchets up pressure on Ursula von der Leyen, the incoming president of the European commission, who declared this week that the EU would lead the fight against “the existential threat” of the climate crisis.

'Our house is on fire': EU parliament declares climate emergency | World news | The Guardian

That is a positive and vital step just like all the other countries and local governments that have declared a climate emergency.

Climate emergency declarations in 1,195 jurisdictions and local governments cover 545 million citizens - Climate Emergency Declaration

While it need to followed by real action. So it therefor so good that you will have millions of people all across the world that will participate in the global climate action day on Friday and demanding that the warnings from the world leading scientists should be listen to.

Map - FridaysForFuture
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They have been saying this since the 1950's. yet we are still here. *yawn*
 
Jack Hays said:
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Once again the traitor Pelosi violates the Logan Act. The Department of Justice needs to do their job and charge her for her criminal acts.
 
Jack Hays said:
[FONT=&quot]Climate Economics / Renewable energy[/FONT]
[h=1]Excess costs of UK Weather Dependent Renewable Energy: 2018[/h][FONT=&quot]Reposted from edmhdotme Summary: 2018 using Renewable Energy Foundation data In 2018 UK Weather dependent renewables generated some 7.7 Gigawatts of power from an installed fleet of ~34 Gigawatts achieving a satisfactory overall capacity factor for Renewables of ~23%. The installed fleet cost ~84£billion in capital costs with average costs of ~11£billion/Gigawatt produced in capital…


Global Man-made CO2 emissions 1965 – 2018: BP data | edmhdotme
These calculations clearly contradict the popular assertion that Weather Dependent Renewables are now price competitive with conventional power generation, Gas-firing and even Nuclear power. They only compare the comparative costs of their power generating capability, leaving aside other unquantified ancillary costs of their use in operation.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/envir...GueU4SqY7JJ1ZNwBi8fM9DU1HEDjNLMzENXOMBfyw0pdA

I have and idea, Germany can clean up all this free plastics, and make houses out of it. :D

Sent from Hillary's private email server.
 
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