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    Re: Arctic Cold Smashes October Records in the West, Plains

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Arctic Cold Smashes October Records in the West, Plains | The Weather Channel



    LOL... I wonder what the climate jihadists will say this time...
    PoS, we used to see the environment as a localized event. What usually happens is when we get cold, the other side of the northern hemisphere usually gets warm. I do not track the weather in the other quadrants of the Northern Hemisphere but it would be prudent to display all of the information.

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    Re: Arctic Cold Smashes October Records in the West, Plains

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    Yes. For someone who reads so many papers, it shouldn't come as a surprise.

    Why Global Warming Can Mean Harsher Winter Weather - Scientific American
    Many papers.

    No. He says he reads ‘all the papers’!
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    Re: Arctic Cold Smashes October Records in the West, Plains

    Quote Originally Posted by charliebrown View Post
    PoS, we used to see the environment as a localized event. What usually happens is when we get cold, the other side of the northern hemisphere usually gets warm. I do not track the weather in the other quadrants of the Northern Hemisphere but it would be prudent to display all of the information.

    New Studies Increase Confidence in NASA's Measure of Earth's Temperature – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
    Speaking of cherry-picked data, this is from your link: "compared to a baseline average from 1951 to 1980"

    There is a reason why they chose that particular time period. Had they included the years 1915 to 1950 they would have included record high temperatures. Much higher than today's temperatures, with 1936 being one of the hottest years this past century.
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    Re: Arctic Cold Smashes October Records in the West, Plains

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    Speaking of cherry-picked data, this is from your link: "compared to a baseline average from 1951 to 1980"

    There is a reason why they chose that particular time period. Had they included the years 1915 to 1950 they would have included record high temperatures. Much higher than today's temperatures, with 1936 being one of the hottest years this past century.
    1) It makes no difference whatsoever what baseline you choose when you are looking at temperature anomalies. Even the thickest of the deniers seem to have grasped this by now.

    2) Your claim that the years 1915 to 1950 included global temperatures much higher than today's temperatures is simply false.

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    Re: Arctic Cold Smashes October Records in the West, Plains

    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Your point is that I have made no case? Basically you're trying to tell me what I already knew?
    My point is that you believe utterly in a case you cannot make.

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    Re: Arctic Cold Smashes October Records in the West, Plains

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post

    For pitty's sake. Obviously the most damage will occur as a factor of how much stuff there is to damage!

    That you do not have any evidence that the severiorty of the storms themselves has increased says it all. You don't have it because they have not done so.
    How does that change the increase in destructiveness? Answer: not a whit.
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    Re: Arctic Cold Smashes October Records in the West, Plains

    The northern jet stream never reaches the Arctic Circle, which makes it impossible for the lower-48 to experience Arctic cold.
    And yet, that is exactly what happens when a polar vortex occurs and are becoming more frequent as the Arctic has been warming more rapidly (2-3x faster) than other regions of N. America. That warming disrupts the jet stream and allows cold arctic air to escape southward.
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    Re: Arctic Cold Smashes October Records in the West, Plains

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    Actually, it is normal for Nome while the Chinook Winds blow. It wouldn't surprise me to see Nome hit +50°F in the next few days. We already have in the Mat-Su Valley. The Chinook Winds blow for about a week to 10 days. Like I said before, they normally occur in January, but when they occur in December or February is not that unusual.

    If you weren't so keen on cherry-picking your propaganda, you would have noticed that Nome had a high temperature of +7°F on December 5th, before the Chinook Winds began to blow.

    Nome Temperatures for the Last Two Weeks
    The Arctic has warmed 2-3x more rapidly than any other place on earth as this chart showing the the steady loss of Arctic sea ice over the past 40 years:

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    Re: Arctic Cold Smashes October Records in the West, Plains

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Casper has a record low of -41.1 F in 1990. It's average low for the end of October is about 30 F.

    Why do you think this -9 F is such a big deal? because some blogger told you?

    Don't you verify this stuff before posting?

    Nome's averages 15 to 30 F low to high in the end of October. Do you have a point?
    It's not about just Casper's lowest low, it's about the increasing incidence of these polar vortex displacements which are a direct result of rapid warming of the Arctic relative to the rest of the planet. Here's the explanation for that (not the we'll expect any valid scientific explanation will have the slightest effect on the cult mentality of CAGW denial):

    2) A growing body of research links rising Arctic temperatures with extreme winters
    The Arctic is warming two to three times as fast as the global average. Scientists say warmer air temperatures in the Arctic can weaken the polar jet stream, a west-to-east river of wind where cold Arctic air meets milder subtropical air in the mid-latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere. A strong jet stream typically traps the polar vortex over the Arctic, but when it’s weakened, the cold air can stray southward into the United States.

    The impacts of a warming Arctic on mid-latitudes is a rapidly emerging field of scientific inquiry. There have been some significant scientific findings in just the past year:

    Warmer Arctic linked to U.S. winter extremes: Scientists have strengthened our understanding of the link between a warmer Arctic and the frequency and changes of U.S. winter weather, especially cold spells and heavy snows in the Northeast and upper Midwest. While previous studies only looked at a few months’ or a year’s worth of data, authors of a recent Nature Communications study analyzed data stretching back to 1950. They found a strong relationship between warm Arctic temperatures and severe winter weather east of the Rockies, especially in the eastern United States.

    Warmer Arctic linked to Eurasian winter extremes: Researchers have now confirmed a pattern of colder winters and more frequent cold air outbreaks in Siberia, following sea ice loss in the Barents-Kara seas in late autumn. In another study, scientists found that over the past 37 years, weakened polar vortexes happened more frequently, allowing frigid air to escape the Arctic. This helps explain cooling trends seen in mid-latitude Eurasia.

    Warmer Arctic linked to prolonged extremes: Scientists have now established a link between Arctic warming, sea ice loss and more persistent weather patterns in North America. When weather conditions get “stuck” and last for many days—a phenomenon caused by altered wind circulation patterns—they can cause prolonged and damaging droughts, cold spells and heat waves.
    source: Climate Change, Frigid Temperatures and the Polar Vortex: 3 Things to Know | World Resources Institute
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    Re: Arctic Cold Smashes October Records in the West, Plains

    Tough Times For Climate Alarmists

    Posted on December 9, 2019 by tonyheller
    Arctic sea ice growth so far this month has been the fastest on record, and ice extent is nearly “normal.” It is going to be difficult blaming this year’s winter weather on missing Arctic ice.

    The center of the Greenland ice sheet is -62 degrees this afternoon.
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