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[W:222]World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

I am amazed that you are still here and think you are achieving something positive for the alarmist side.

You are polluting this forum with idiocy and evaision.

So, you're now reduced to just layering projection on projection.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

So, you're now reduced to just layering projection on projection.

Moderator's Warning:
[W:222]World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,The thread is not about you all. Stop the snarking and stick to the topic.

I suggest you read it. And heed it.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Exactly. Thus making this solar forcing BS obsolete. Thank you.

The 20th century data remain valid, and explain most 20th century warming. Your complaint was that it stopped. I explained why. Try to keep up.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

The 20th century data remain valid, and explain most 20th century warming. Your complaint was that it stopped. I explained why. Try to keep up.

Well, no surprise that there'd be a lie about what I said. Jack, you're the epitome of predictability.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Like George Carlin said, people don't really care about the planet, they just care about a safe ecosystem for their Volvos.

Invoking Carlin to back up rightwing science denial is a smear of his memory.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

In the 70's the same people said that we would have to grow our corn in Puerto Rico with the oncoming ice age.

Must have been the Chinese.......right?



Was the POTUS at that time saying what you allege? Everybody knows Trump said that AGW is a Chinese hoax. I know of no major scientific view that held the US would have to be growing corn in PR because of an imminent ice age. I can prove what I say. You can't.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Was the POTUS at that time saying what you allege? Everybody knows Trump said that AGW is a Chinese hoax. I know of no major scientific view that held the US would have to be growing corn in PR because of an imminent ice age. I can prove what I say. You can't.

[h=1]1975 – Ice Age Coming, 1.8 Degrees Cooling Over 20 Years[/h][FONT=&quot]Posted on November 4, 2015 by tonyheller[/FONT]
In 1975 there was an ice age coming – evidenced by 1.8 degrees cooling in 20 years, droughts, floods, animals migrating south, polar ice caps expanding, growing seasons shortening, starvation …
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Chicago Tribune Archive | June 2, 1975
Criminals at NASA have since erased this cooling, and wiped out much of history. A crime against humanity.

 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Invoking Carlin to back up rightwing science denial is a smear of his memory.

For the record, I have no idea why the glacier is melting. I'm not denying anything anymore than I am automatically accepting anything. I am by my nature always going to be a skeptic. I find that to be a healthy place to think.

Carlin spoke words of wisdom not about the so called "science" debate, but about the mindset which suggested that we humans are acting and thinking in our typical human self important manner when we assume that WE are either the cause---- or the cure, for everything. We don't cause everything in nature the same we we didn't cause AIDS or leprosy.

No denial there, and it was never meant to be a scientific debate. Just a comment about human nature. That we can appease "the gods of nature" is quite often futile thinking. That was my point to be considered.

Like I said, I have no idea why the glacier is melting, other than lots of glaciers have been melting for an awful long time long before the start of the industrial revolution, and that just maybe the so called "science" takes on a mode of almost religious type thinking with people.... because naturally that too is part of the way human reasoning often works. Therefore Carlin was rejecting both religion and "science" by suggesting we shouldn't worry about what will not change anyway. We certainly can't fix human nature, and we certainly are mostly just along for the ride when it comes to actual physical nature anyway.

LOL! I am anything but rightwing BTW. Sounds funny when people call me that. I'll bet Carlin thought the same thing too.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

For the record, I have no idea why the glacier is melting. I'm not denying anything anymore than I am automatically accepting anything. I am by my nature always going to be a skeptic. I find that to be a healthy place to think.

Carlin spoke words of wisdom not about the so called "science" debate, but about the mindset which suggested that we humans are acting and thinking in our typical human self important manner when we assume that WE are either the cause---- or the cure, for everything. We don't cause everything in nature the same we we didn't cause AIDS or leprosy.

No denial there, and it was never meant to be a scientific debate. Just a comment about human nature. That we can appease "the gods of nature" is quite often futile thinking. That was my point to be considered.

Like I said, I have no idea why the glacier is melting, other than lots of glaciers have been melting for an awful long time long before the start of the industrial revolution, and that just maybe the so called "science" takes on a mode of almost religious type thinking with people.... because naturally that too is part of the way human reasoning often works. Therefore Carlin was rejecting both religion and "science" by suggesting we shouldn't worry about what will not change anyway. We certainly can't fix human nature, and we certainly are mostly just along for the ride when it comes to actual physical nature anyway.

LOL! I am anything but rightwing BTW. Sounds funny when people call me that. I'll bet Carlin thought the same thing too.

If you stay around this area of debate and keep with the thinking for yourself you will be attacked as a Nazi. Just have to deal with it. The religious consider hearsay the worst of crimes.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

And when an iceberg floats by NYC Trump and fellow deniers will point-out "Look, there's no warming. We've got icebergs coming into New York Harbor. It's all a Chinese hoax!"

Didn't an Iceberg hit the Titanic many moons ago?
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

For the record, I have no idea why the glacier is melting. I'm not denying anything anymore than I am automatically accepting anything. I am by my nature always going to be a skeptic. I find that to be a healthy place to think.

Carlin spoke words of wisdom not about the so called "science" debate, but about the mindset which suggested that we humans are acting and thinking in our typical human self important manner when we assume that WE are either the cause---- or the cure, for everything. We don't cause everything in nature the same we we didn't cause AIDS or leprosy.

No denial there, and it was never meant to be a scientific debate. Just a comment about human nature. That we can appease "the gods of nature" is quite often futile thinking. That was my point to be considered.

Like I said, I have no idea why the glacier is melting, other than lots of glaciers have been melting for an awful long time long before the start of the industrial revolution, and that just maybe the so called "science" takes on a mode of almost religious type thinking with people.... because naturally that too is part of the way human reasoning often works. Therefore Carlin was rejecting both religion and "science" by suggesting we shouldn't worry about what will not change anyway. We certainly can't fix human nature, and we certainly are mostly just along for the ride when it comes to actual physical nature anyway.

LOL! I am anything but rightwing BTW. Sounds funny when people call me that. I'll bet Carlin thought the same thing too.

You confuse skepticism with rejectionism. You're only deceiving yourself.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

If you stay around this area of debate and keep with the thinking for yourself you will be attacked as a Nazi. Just have to deal with it. The religious consider hearsay the worst of crimes.

You still yammering, Tim?
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

[h=1]1975 – Ice Age Coming, 1.8 Degrees Cooling Over 20 Years[/h][FONT="]Posted on [URL="https://realclimatescience.com/2015/11/1975-ice-age-coming-1-8-degrees-cooling-over-20-years/"]November 4, 2015[/URL] by tonyheller[/FONT]
In 1975 there was an ice age coming – evidenced by 1.8 degrees cooling in 20 years, droughts, floods, animals migrating south, polar ice caps expanding, growing seasons shortening, starvation …
Criminals at NASA have since erased this cooling, and wiped out much of history. A crime against humanity.




Ha, ha, ha. Oh, gosh, YOU! What a joke. A regular glutton for punishment.

The following are two excerpts giving facts regarding your posted article by Dr. Stephen Schneider from the link given further below:

“Carbon dioxide was predicted to have only a minor role. However, the model was very simple and the calculation of the CO2 effect was lower than other estimates by a factor of about three, as noted in a footnote to the paper.”

“The story made headlines in the New York Times. Shortly afterwards, Schneider became aware that he had overestimated the cooling effect of aerosols, and underestimated the warming effect of CO2 by a factor of about three. He had mistakenly assumed that measurements of air particles he had taken near the source of pollution applied worldwide. He also found that much of the effect was due to natural aerosols which would not be affected by human activities, so the cooling effect of changes in industrial pollution would be much less than he had calculated. Having found that recalculation showed that global warming was the more likely outcome, he published a retraction of his earlier findings in 1974.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Schneider

The retraction was published the year before the article you pretend supports your BS claim. What a laugh. Hilarious.

No major scientific view, as I posted before, came out of Schneider’s study, the project of which he was a deputy director, in the first place. Regardless of the fact of my reference I gave in this post. You failed coming and going.

More misleading presentation from Jack Hays. You’re simply not a credible debater.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Ha, ha, ha. Oh, gosh, YOU! What a joke. A regular glutton for punishment.

The following are two excerpts giving facts regarding your posted article by Dr. Stephen Schneider from the link given further below:

“Carbon dioxide was predicted to have only a minor role. However, the model was very simple and the calculation of the CO2 effect was lower than other estimates by a factor of about three, as noted in a footnote to the paper.”

“The story made headlines in the New York Times. Shortly afterwards, Schneider became aware that he had overestimated the cooling effect of aerosols, and underestimated the warming effect of CO2 by a factor of about three. He had mistakenly assumed that measurements of air particles he had taken near the source of pollution applied worldwide. He also found that much of the effect was due to natural aerosols which would not be affected by human activities, so the cooling effect of changes in industrial pollution would be much less than he had calculated. Having found that recalculation showed that global warming was the more likely outcome, he published a retraction of his earlier findings in 1974.”

Stephen Schneider - Wikipedia

The retraction was published the year before the article you pretend supports your BS claim. What a laugh. Hilarious.

No major scientific view, as I posted before, came out of Schneider’s study, the project of which he was a deputy director, in the first place. Regardless of the fact of my reference I gave in this post. You failed coming and going.

More misleading presentation from Jack Hays. You’re simply not a credible debater.

Sorry, but the condition of your #232 was fully met by Schneider's work regardless of the subsequent retraction. Indeed, the retraction only strengthens my point because it demonstrates the contingency of climate science conclusions.

And you'll find an interesting discussion of Schneider here.

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[h=1]Climategate And Post-Normal Science[/h][FONT=&quot]Guest Post by Michael Kile, It was an important moment in the Climategate saga. Yet few remember Jerome Ravetz’s damning critique of the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (CRU) posted on WUWT in early 2010. Ravetz is an eminent American philosopher of science and an Associate Fellow at Oxford University’s James Martin Institute…
Continue reading →
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Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Didn't an Iceberg hit the Titanic many moons ago?



No. But the Titanic hit an iceberg.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

You confuse skepticism with rejectionism. You're only deceiving yourself.

I'm not accepting or rejecting anything, I already explained that. What I am saying is I don't care one way or the other. We are all dying sooner or later anyway, which is basically the way it has always been. When we are gone something will replace us... or not, so why do you care?

Things have always been changing on this planet--- or do YOU reject that?
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Were they not both moving?


Yes. The avg speed of an iceberg is about .7 meters per sec. going past Newfoundland, depending on current, etc., which is about where the Titanic was when striking the iceberg. The Titanic was traveling in unusually calm waters. So flat there was no wave action against the side of the iceberg that could have reflected its position. So calm the Titanic was traveling at over 26 mph, actually slightly above its top speed, vs the iceberg .43 mph. The iceberg was "travelling" in a N to S direction, the Titanic E to W. The Titanic started turning to the left 29 seconds before striking the iceberg, so maybe travelled 68 ft., if a normal current, before collision. The Titanic was 92 ft. wide. So, nonetheless, I'd say the Titanic struck the iceberg, not the iceberg struck the Titanic. If you want to make the captain look good, you could say "they collided". If it were a car accident, the Titanic struck the iceberg and was in the wrong because all icebergs have the right-of-way.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Yes. The avg speed of an iceberg is about .7 meters per sec. going past Newfoundland, depending on current, etc., which is about where the Titanic was when striking the iceberg. The Titanic was traveling in unusually calm waters. So flat there was no wave action against the side of the iceberg that could have reflected its position. So calm the Titanic was traveling at over 26 mph, actually slightly above its top speed, vs the iceberg .43 mph. The iceberg was "travelling" in a N to S direction, the Titanic E to W. The Titanic started turning to the left 29 seconds before striking the iceberg, so maybe travelled 68 ft., if a normal current, before collision. The Titanic was 92 ft. wide. So, nonetheless, I'd say the Titanic struck the iceberg, not the iceberg struck the Titanic. If you want to make the captain look good, you could say "they collided". If it were a car accident, the Titanic struck the iceberg and was in the wrong because all icebergs have the right-of-way.
I was thinking that perhaps they should have turned right (North) instead left (South) so that 68 feet would be in their favor, as opposed to leading the iceberg!!!!
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

I'm not accepting or rejecting anything, I already explained that. What I am saying is I don't care one way or the other. We are all dying sooner or later anyway, which is basically the way it has always been. When we are gone something will replace us... or not, so why do you care?

Things have always been changing on this planet--- or do YOU reject that?

Is this some kind of fundamentalist christian crap? Of course the entire planet will be incinerated and consumed by the sun eventually. But humans have clearly affected the environment adversely and it has the power to stop doing so. And global warming is going to cause so much upheaval and chaos to human society that you're really on the side saying, "we don't give a **** how bad it gets." Even that might not be such an immoral position to take if people like you just got out of the way but you're doing your best to make it worse and do it sooner.
 
Re: World's Thickest Mountain Glacier Is Finally Melting,

Is this some kind of fundamentalist christian crap?

Not sure where that comment is coming from? I never made a claim like that.

Of course the entire planet will be incinerated and consumed by the sun eventually.

Of maybe not. Could be the sun slowly burns out, or something else changes with the sun.
Could be the moon suddenly changes in gravitational position due to an asteroid strike and then our seasons and tidal patterns change.
Or could be the Earth gets struck by another larger asteroid and dumps trillions of tons of ash into the atmosphere.

Lots of things could suddenly happen that don't involve any human involvement could it not?



But humans have clearly affected the environment adversely and it has the power to stop doing so.

We "humans" even inside of developed nations don't seem to have the political will to deal with drug addiction/homelessness. Poor diet, bad life choices, all sorts of political polarization ... but you think we are going to solve other problems on a global scale? North America and the western European economies spent 300+ years deforesting our land and then another 200 years with virtually unabated coal powered production and all kinds of dumping of pollutants as we all raced to achieve a higher standard of living and leading economies. But now we are going to be able to convince China, India, South America, and Southeast Asia that they need to be more evolved and better stewards of the environment than we ever were? All while people in those nations are living in abject poverty without refrigeration, without transportation, without all of the little things that make our lives better, but we are going to change their minds? How, by us on our computers and cell phones debating what they should do in their search for a better standard of living?


And global warming is going to cause so much upheaval and chaos to human society that you're really on the side saying, "we don't give a **** how bad it gets."

Climate change always causes upheaval to species, it always has. And out of the change comes other kinds of bio diversity in it's place, so why not celebrate that too?

It's not that I don't care, it's that I don't worry about it. I also find in hypocritical that while living in my comfortable home with all of the modern technologies and conveniences and every item of a consumable nature from TVs to rubber tires on my cars, that to believe that all of those conveniences don't come from somewhere and have some affect on the environment at some level would just be silly.


Even that might not be such an immoral position to take if people like you just got out of the way but you're doing your best to make it worse and do it sooner.

Why are you taking this personally? And what does your opinion on my "morality" have to do with anything? By "getting out of the way" you mean increasing the costs of providing energy, goods, and other services, then all I am doing is asking how that will change anything if China and India don't follow the same standards? How does me opting to ride a bicycle to work prevent almost a billion people in China from not wanting their FIRST car, or their FIRST refrigerator?

Whatever changes happen with the climate will not destroy the planet. I think George Carlin was right about that one. So why not just relax and enjoy the show?
 
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