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    Trump Isnít a Climate Denier. Heís Worse.

    Trump Isn’t a Climate Denier. He’s Worse.

    Leaving the Paris Agreement and other efforts to slow the globe's transition from fossil fuels will ultimately undermine U.S. power.



    11/5/19
    The United States began the formal process of leaving the Paris Agreement on climate change yesterday, withdrawing on the first day it was legally possible. Barring something unforeseen, the country will depart the accord on November 4, 2020—a day after the next presidential election. If it feels like the Paris withdrawal has been coming for years, that’s not wrong. It was already clear that President Donald Trump would leave the Paris Agreement on the day he was elected. After some vacillating early in his term, Trump made a sunny, pomp-dense Rose Garden speech in June 2017 and promised to depart the treaty. Nearly two and a half years later, it’s worth briefly remembering that 2017 speech, which ran to more than half an hour. Pruitt, the only other Cabinet official who spoke at it, resigned from the EPA amid scandal a little more than a year later. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson (whom Trump later fired) and Energy Secretary Rick Perry (who will resign before the end of the year) also attended. The effort to leave Paris has by now survived three chiefs of staff, four national security advisers, and ten Cabinet secretaries. Back in 2017, the president also promised either to immediately start talks to re-enter Paris or to discuss “a really entirely new transaction on terms that are fair to the United States.” Two years on, no such treaty has appeared. But this vow was always a little nonsensical, since Paris is a largely voluntary agreement. “We’re withdrawing from something that’s purely voluntary. It doesn’t make any sense,” says Bentley Allan, a professor of political science at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s reprehensible—it’s absurd that we’re withdrawing.” The only reason to leave such a treaty is if “you want to actively make the symbolic act of damaging this thing,” Allan told me.

    In other words, Trump is not leaving the agreement because he doubts climate science. Trump is leaving the Paris Agreement because he actually intends to slow the global transition away from fossil fuels. So, when Trump pulls America out of the Paris Agreement, he is responding to a different ideology: carbonism. For Trump, carbonism is a powerfully economic and cultural idea. Think of the carbon in carbonism as akin to the nation in nationalism: It implies a founding myth, a powerful worldview, a theory of value, and a prophecy. But it is, at heart, a simple idea: Carbonism is a belief that fossil fuels—which send carbon pollution spewing into the atmosphere, accelerating climate change and ocean acidification—have inherent virtue. That they are better, in fact, than other energy sources. Carbon spewing into the atmosphere right now will outlive our grandchildren. It will exist, as a mindless physical fact, trapping heat and distorting geology, for centuries to come. The Paris Agreement exists because the rest of the world is onto this. Instead of framing fighting climate change as a source of pain, the agreement recognizes that the victors in a post-carbon world will be those who move first. So the European Union and, to a lesser degree, China are pouring money into renewable energy. The damage to American credibility has, to some degree, already been done. The real risk now is to American power. One day, perhaps not long from now, a few global governments will decide that the age of carbon is over. They will back massive investments into remaking the global energy economy, redirecting the turbulent flows of international finance. If the United States is not among those governments, then American banks—whose wealth is deeply bound to fossil fuels—will suffer a sudden revaluation. And the mighty dollar, that last guarantor of American power, will go up in carbonism’s flame.
    One of the very first things Dems need to do in January 2021 is to rejoin the real world and the Paris Agreement. The goals articulated will be voluntary, yet goals nonetheless.


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    Re: Trump Isnít a Climate Denier. Heís Worse.

    The Paris agreement was never legal and binding for America.

    Try allowing the Constitution to creep in about ratifying Treaties.........

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    Re: Trump Isnít a Climate Denier. Heís Worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Trump Isn’t a Climate Denier. He’s Worse.

    Leaving the Paris Agreement and other efforts to slow the globe's transition from fossil fuels will ultimately undermine U.S. power.





    One of the very first things Dems need to do in January 2021 is to rejoin the real world and the Paris Agreement. The goals articulated will be voluntary, yet goals nonetheless.
    The only goal of the Paris Agreement was to suck money from the US. Trump says no. That's a good thing.
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    Re: Trump Isnít a Climate Denier. Heís Worse.

    China is pouring money into energy period. That includes coal and nuclear and anything they can get their hands on. Germany is increasing coal and carbon despite there much touted alternative energy investments. Anybody who wants to weaken energy is weakening US power.

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    Re: Trump Isnít a Climate Denier. Heís Worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drawdown View Post
    China is pouring money into energy period. That includes coal and nuclear and anything they can get their hands on. Germany is increasing coal and carbon despite there much touted alternative energy investments. Anybody who wants to weaken energy is weakening US power.
    So all those wind turbines that have been erected are "weakening US power"? Solar panels on roofs are "weakening US power"? Electric vehicles, which represent power storage for renewables, are "weakening US power"?

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    Re: Trump Isnít a Climate Denier. Heís Worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Trump Isnít a Climate Denier. Heís Worse.

    Leaving the Paris Agreement and other efforts to slow the globe's transition from fossil fuels will ultimately undermine U.S. power.





    One of the very first things Dems need to do in January 2021 is to rejoin the real world and the Paris Agreement. The goals articulated will be voluntary, yet goals nonetheless.
    Leaving that sham accord was one of the few good things Lt. Bonespur has done.

    Paris climate promises will reduce temperatures by just 0.05 ...

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    A new peer-reviewed paper by Dr. Bjorn Lomborg published in the Global ... The climate impact of all Paris INDC promises is minuscule: if we measure the ...
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    Re: Trump Isnít a Climate Denier. Heís Worse.

    Donald Trump is more like a Robber Baron who loves to screw average republicans.

    He doesn't care anything about the future he's just in it to make as much money as he can while he's living. After he's dead he doesn't give a crap. You know, that period when current republicans kids and grand kids and great grand kids are alive.

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    Re: Trump Isnít a Climate Denier. Heís Worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drawdown View Post
    China is pouring money into energy period. That includes coal and nuclear and anything they can get their hands on. Germany is increasing coal and carbon despite there much touted alternative energy investments. Anybody who wants to weaken energy is weakening US power.
    Isn't that funny.

    They reduce their coal power plants, but keep digging more and more coal to sell.

    Hypocritical anyone?
    The left says the right is full of racists and bigots and have no tolerance. Nobody from the right organizes interference with gay pride parades, or other leftist events. The left however always has a group interfering with events organized by the right. Who are the tolerant ones I ask? Most certainly not the left.

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    Re: Trump Isnít a Climate Denier. Heís Worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Isn't that funny.

    They reduce their coal power plants, but keep digging more and more coal to sell.

    Hypocritical anyone?
    The big irony is that environmentalist are throwing major monkey wrenches in their wind turbine construction because they are bad for the ecosystem.

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    Re: Trump Isnít a Climate Denier. Heís Worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    So all those wind turbines that have been erected are "weakening US power"? Solar panels on roofs are "weakening US power"? Electric vehicles, which represent power storage for renewables, are "weakening US power"?
    It depends on how much the grid operators are required to pay for the Kwh generated by alternate energy!
    If it all comes in at the wholesale price it is an advantage, if it comes in an some higher price than other sources, it increases the cost of doing business.

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