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Is NASA (and Our Government) Outright Lying To Us?

Tim the plumber said:

I am impressed with your patence.

Am I not getting the exchange between you and Danielpalos and Vagas Giants? Is there some sort of meaning within their posts?
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You need only ask
 
Tim the plumber said:
Nobody, it seems, is able to say what bad thing will happen in any particular place. Or is likely to. [/COLOR]
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They can 'say' it till the cows come home as that where the funding 'lies' . Proving it it is a whole other question ..... where else is it nobody requires empirical proof these days yet still calls it proven 'science' requiring immediate state sponsored multi billions intervention ?

The climate change agenda has always been about controlling people by fear not controlling climate (which is quite impossible anyway). You achieve that and power and money follows close behind. Why else do you think governments are always so keen on it especially in the West, big bucks tax take via state fostered green guilt :wink:
 
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danielpalos said:
Yes; it means they can run as many simulations as they need until they achieve that form of "Perfection".
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Or run more and more simulations until they produce what the activist wants them to produce.

Simulations are no better than how they are programmed.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Or run more and more simulations until they produce what the activist wants them to produce.

Simulations are no better than how they are programmed.
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Its governments that pay for them not activists. They are the main beneficiaries. Why else do you think they created the IPCC ?
 
Tim the plumber said:

I am impressed with your patence.

Am I not getting the exchange between you and Danielpalos and Vagas Giants? Is there some sort of meaning within their posts?
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Danielpalos is simply throwing out terms and bits of data to sound like he know what he is talking about.
His position is too simplistic, for real world consideration.
 
Let's review,
You said,
"Yes; it means they can run as many simulations as they need until they achieve that form of "Perfection"."
I said,
"Which has nothing to do with inputting the correct assumptions in a simulation!"
You said,
"Yes, it does. The data has to be accurate to begin with."
which is exactly my point, unless the input data and assumptions are correct, the output will never be correct, or at least you would not know if it was correct!
 
longview said:
Let's review,
You said,
"Yes; it means they can run as many simulations as they need until they achieve that form of "Perfection"."
I said,
"Which has nothing to do with inputting the correct assumptions in a simulation!"
You said,
"Yes, it does. The data has to be accurate to begin with."
which is exactly my point, unless the input data and assumptions are correct, the output will never be correct, or at least you would not know if it was correct!
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Have you ever played SimCity? What objection would you have with an "serious engineering version" of that software that could even output, "color by numbers Leggo type parts" to be simply put together. Why do you believe modelling any given part or component or structural part for "compliance with any given safety or engineering Standard", would be flawed.

We have already gone to the Moon and back, with less.
 
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danielpalos said:
You simply don't understand the concepts. It really is, that simple.
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No, I have been running computer simulations since the early 80's, real world simulations that went into production.
Simulations are great for repetitive tasks, but for them to work the input assumptions must be accurate.
 
longview said:
No, I have been running computer simulations since the early 80's, real world simulations that went into production.
Simulations are great for repetitive tasks, but for them to work the input assumptions must be accurate.
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And when the predicted results are always so wrong, normally the input assumptions are challenged.
 
longview said:
No, I have been running computer simulations since the early 80's, real world simulations that went into production.
Simulations are great for repetitive tasks, but for them to work the input assumptions must be accurate.
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That is the Whole and Entire point of the simulation versus real world application.
 
vegas giants said:
No other science can be bought off??? How suspect
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They can and have.

The campaign against fat has cost many many thousands even millions of lives. Telling us that sugar is fine and fat bad has resulted in many problems. This was always a lie. It was paid for by the farming lobby.

You know I would like to see a law that made presenting a lie as science as something that sends you to jail.
 
Tim the plumber said:
They can and have.

The campaign against fat has cost many many thousands even millions of lives. Telling us that sugar is fine and fat bad has resulted in many problems. This was always a lie. It was paid for by the farming lobby.

You know I would like to see a law that made presenting a lie as science as something that sends you to jail.
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And that faked moon landing!!! That was a big one. NASA got millions off that one
 
Tim the plumber said:
"And this is just another of your outright lies."

To misrepresent my position as such is such a weak thing to do.
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What??? Only you can challenge the science that is bought off?? Lol

Face it..

You are part of the tin foil hat squad
 
Is NASA (and Our Government) Outright Lying To Us?

Lying? Well, they are re-writing the historical data. Here'a another way to look at what those re-writes
have produced over the years:

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The above Excel chart was done by plotting points from the computation of the slopes of Jan 1880 to
Feb 1880 then Mar 1880 and so on . . . all the way to Jan 1880 to Jun 2002 and Sep 2019 for each of
the two plots.

That the data has been changed is a matter of fact. Why it's been changed is a matter of opinion.
 
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