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Toyota Exec VP ---> by 2025 Half of Cars Sold Electrified

ttwtt78640 said:
My point is that something not built in can be carried if (only when?) needed. I already have a portable, 3100 watt inverter generator (about 90 lbs. with fuel) which is easily transported and normally stored in my RV or cargo trailer. Taking it along on longer trips in an EV would be easy enough. A non-inverter type generator weighs less per watt but its power is not as stable (clean?) and they tend to use more fuel since they run at a fixed RPM rather than adjust to the load demand.
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I expect the EPA and safety regulations would stop stuff like that
 
Media_Truth said:
EVs and Hybrids continue to be the focus for the future for the auto industry. Original plan accelerated by 5 years.

Toyota unveils images of upcoming all-electric cars, accelerates EV plans by 5 years - Electrek

During a briefing with the press this week, Toyota Executive Vice President Shigeki Terashi said that the automaker plans for half of its global sales to be electrified vehicles by 2025 – 5 years ahead of previous plans.
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There you also for example have Daimler and Volkswagen.

"Daimler has just announced that it is halting all future development of gasoline engines. The automaker will solely focus on electric cars from here on out. This implies that Mercedes-Benz is taking the same approach.

The future is electric. We all know that and so too does Daimler now with this move to electric-drive only for future vehicles"

Daimler Ends Gas Engine Development: Full Focus On Electric Cars

"The world's biggest carmaker announced Friday that it had struck a deal with Sweden's Northvolt to build a giant battery factory in Germany. It also confirmed production dates for two new models key to the group's success.

The German company said production of lithium-ion batteries would begin in late 2023 or early 2024, a move that will be vital to Volkswagen's (VLKAF) ability to mount what it calls "the largest electric offensive in the automotive industry worldwide."

The group plans to launch almost 70 new electric models in the next decade, and hopes to build 22 million electric cars over this period. It is investing more than €30 billion ($33 billion) into electrifying its fleet over the next four years, prompted in part by pressure from regulators and the fallout from its diesel emissions scandal."

Volkswagen electric car plans pick up pace with battery deal and model launches - CNN
 
ttwtt78640 said:
My point is that something not built in can be carried if (only when?) needed. I already have a portable, 3100 watt inverter generator (about 90 lbs. with fuel) which is easily transported and normally stored in my RV or cargo trailer. Taking it along on longer trips in an EV would be easy enough. A non-inverter type generator weighs less per watt but its power is not as stable (clean?) and they tend to use more fuel since they run at a fixed RPM rather than adjust to the load demand.
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I do not think the cleanness of the power is an issue, considering that the battery bank looks like a massive capacitor.
I get the point of a detachable device, but think the builtin could be a cleaner design.
The batteries to add 100 miles of range, could be several hundred pounds, where as the motor/generator could be the 90 lbs mentioned,
but for nearly unlimited range.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The plug in hybrid typically has enough battery range for most daily commutes for people in the US and Canada (40 miles of battery range on average) The engine allows for extended trips without the need for a second vehicle or renting one instead.

For some people they can go a few months without having to fill up with gasoline if they used it for commutes and plugged it in regularly. The added weight of the battery pack + electric motor and gas/ IC engine of course adds weight and make the vehicle less efficient than other wise could be. So compared to a normal hybrid it is not as efficient when in IC engine mode, and it is not as efficient as an electric vehicle would be with the same battery pack, but without the IC engine.

But the vehicle is overall more efficient than a non hybrid (in city travel) and does not have the range limitations of electric vehicles. So if in an area with renewable energy as the primary electric source (or nuclear) the CO2 footprint is lower and gas usage should drop drastically if used in daily commuting.

With plug in hybrid I would likely not use any gas except on weekends
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I'm lovlng my plug-in hybrid. I get over 50 miles on a charge, and get almost all of my power from my renewable energy systems. Occasionally I will burn a little gas, averaging about $5 per month. Every once in a while, I need more than the 50 miles; and also the car automatically runs the gas engine once in a while, to lubricate it. Pictured --->

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I seldom agree with POS, but I will agree with him this time - that the title of this article is a little misleading. That said, conventional hybrids and plug-in hybrids can vastly decrease our use of fossil fuels, in a transition to full EV fleets.
 
i'll consider an electric SUV as the technology improves. probably a hybrid first, though. i put in a significant number of miles between commuting and going back and forth between houses.
 
Helix said:
i'll consider an electric SUV as the technology improves. probably a hybrid first, though. i put in a significant number of miles between commuting and going back and forth between houses.
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The Kia Niro is a pretty sharp looking vehicle. It gets a few more electric miles (26) than the others. Plus it's more affordable. The PHEV qualifies for the Federal Tax Credit of $7500, and as of now, 2019 is the last year for the full credit. Some states have incentives as well. The traditional hybrid no longer qualifies for a tax credit.

10 Plug-in Hybrid SUVs - Current and Upcoming | Autobytel.com

The 2018 Kia Niro PHEV is the company’s third plug-in model with power coming from a 1.6-liter four-cylinder engine along with an electric motor for 139 total system horsepower. This is paired to a six-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission. The Niro PHEV offers an all-electric range of up to 26 miles with a total driving range of 560 miles. It gets an EPA-estimated 105 MPGe.

There’s a single charging port located on the driver’s-side front fender and it has a quick charging time. It takes 2.5 hours for a full charge using a 240-volt Level 2 charger and under nine hours with a 120-volt Level 1 charger. Pricing on the Kia Niro PHEV ranges from $27,900 to $34,500.
 
longview said:
They love the subsidies and benefits.
No 25% VAT tax at time of sale.
Exempt from the road tax.
Free toll road usage.
Use of bus lanes.
Plug-in electric vehicles in Norway - Wikipedia

Such incentives would have me loving my EV also!
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And the US currently gives a tax credit of $7500. That's a good thing! These incentives are put out there to introduce a technology that benefits everybody, and once the technology is accepted, the tax credits expire. The tax credit for conventional hybrids has now expired. Starting next year, the renewable energy tax credits start phasing out. Tax credits were also used to incentivise Smart Appliances.
 
Media_Truth said:
Yes, Norway loves their EVs!
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Yes and the electrical segment grew by 26.5 per cent, compared to the same month the previous year in Norway. That as I understand without any increases in subsides and other forms of support.

While electric cars are also projected to soon be competitive with petrol cars on price.

Electric Car Price Tag Shrinks Along With Battery Cost

That subsides to electric cars have really payed off. While the Middle East is still very unstable with some of the world's brutal dictatorships after westerns countries have spend trillions of dollars on costly wars and interventions to protect the flow of cheap oil.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Yes and the electrical segment grew by 26.5 per cent, compared to the same month the previous year in Norway. That as I understand without any increases in subsides and other forms of support.
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That subsides to electric cars have really payed off. While the Middle East is still very unstable with some of the world's brutal dictatorships after westerns countries have spend trillions of dollars on costly wars and interventions to protect the flow of cheap oil.
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So you agree tax breaks are not subsidies.

Thank-you, except that still isn't true. I believe besides paying no taxes of electric cars, they get parking at half price.
 
What is the range when air conditioning is on?
 
UtahBill said:
What is the range when air conditioning is on?
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Air conditioning and heating both reduce range. In general between 5 and 10%, but it depends on the extremity of the weather, and the internal setting. My Volt is equipped with seat heat and steering wheel heat, which is much more efficient, and is nice and toasty most of the time.
 
Lord of Planar said:
So you agree tax breaks are not subsidies.

Thank-you, except that still isn't true. I believe besides paying no taxes of electric cars, they get parking at half price.
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My point was that subsidies and support to electrics cars haven't increased between 2018 and 2019, while you have had a big increase in electric car sales. So existing subsidies and support are having an bigger and bigger impact.

This compared to the trillions spent in the Middle East there US and other western countries still have to support and trade with countries like Saudi Arabia.

World Report 2019: Saudi Arabia | Human Rights Watch

There you also risk a new major conflict between US and Iran with spiking oil prices.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
My point was that subsidies and support to electrics cars haven't increased between 2018 and 2019, while you have had a big increase in electric car sales. So existing subsidies and support are having an bigger and bigger impact.

This compared to the trillions spent in the Middle East there US and other western countries still have to support and trade with countries like Saudi Arabia.

World Report 2019: Saudi Arabia | Human Rights Watch

There you also risk a new major conflict between US and Iran with spiking oil prices.
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What would happen if they stopped taxing IC cars the way they do?
 
Lord of Planar said:
What would happen if they stopped taxing IC cars the way they do?
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The transition away from fossil fuels cars would take longer time. There we are now running out of time in avoiding many of the devastating effects of climate change.

IPCC says limiting global warming to 1.5 degC will require drastic action

Also the unpaid social and environmental cost of fossil fuel is already trillions of dollar each year.

Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies Remain Large: An Update Based on Country-Level Estimates
 
Media_Truth said:
EVs and Hybrids continue to be the focus for the future for the auto industry. Original plan accelerated by 5 years.

Toyota unveils images of upcoming all-electric cars, accelerates EV plans by 5 years - Electrek

During a briefing with the press this week, Toyota Executive Vice President Shigeki Terashi said that the automaker plans for half of its global sales to be electrified vehicles by 2025 – 5 years ahead of previous plans.
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Just don't but one in California unless you invest in a nice "tow behind" generator.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Just don't but one in California unless you invest in a nice "tow behind" generator.
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The average driving distance is less than ten percent of the battery capacity in new electric cars. So most of the times cars can recharged than it greatest demand for electricity. While electric cars batteries can also be used for storage and help to regulate supply and demand of electricity, especially with the big increase in batteries lifespan.

Tesla May Soon Have a Battery That Can Last a Million Miles | WIRED
 
Lord of Planar said:
But the Cylon Toasters look cool:

latest
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You you imagine the blind spots on that thing?? :lol:
 
Jack Hays said:




Big automakers take risks in siding with Trump administration against California
The decision this week by several major automakers to back the administration in a high-stakes legal fight over fuel-efficiency standards could backfire if Democrats take back the White House in 2020.
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Interesting fact - with Tesla's shocking recent profit, for the 2nd time in the last few years, Tesla surpassed GM for as the largest US capitalized auto company --- 54 Billion dollars vs $52 Billion for GM.

https://eresearch.fidelity.com/eres...der=DOWJONES&product=REALTIME&sb=1&sc=1&san=1
 
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