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Toyota Exec VP ---> by 2025 Half of Cars Sold Electrified

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Good luck with that.
 
Drawdown said:
Good luck with that.
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PoS said:
:lamo
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Electrified in Toyota speak includes hybrid vehicles

So the Prius, the Lexus LS 500H, the Rav4 hybrid all are electrified


So putting a 2 kW battery, regen brakes and an electric motor (which could be between the tranny and engine) would count.

The E torque system that FCA uses in the Ram 1500 might count. Toyota does not currently use such a system
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Electrified in Toyota speak includes hybrid vehicles
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Then its a bald-faced lie. A hybrid isnt really a pure electric car. Anyone who thinks that is lying to themselves.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Electrified in Toyota speak includes hybrid vehicles

So the Prius, the Lexus LS 500H, the Rav4 hybrid all are electrified


So putting a 2 kW battery, regen brakes and an electric motor (which could be between the tranny and engine) would count.

The E torque system that FCA uses in the Ram 1500 might count. Toyota does not currently use such a system
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"All-Electric cars" would suggest otherwise. Ultimately, anything the drives up the price of cars is going to drive down sales of new cars.
 
PoS said:
Then its a bald-faced lie. A hybrid isnt really a pure electric car. Anyone who thinks that is lying to themselves.
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Drawdown said:
"All-Electric cars" would suggest otherwise. Ultimately, anything the drives up the price of cars is going to drive down sales of new cars.
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Reading is your friend

However, the automaker’s electrification plan is still heavily focused on hybrids instead of all-electric vehicles.


During a briefing with the press this week, Toyota Executive Vice President Shigeki Terashi said that the automaker plans for half of its global sales to be electrified vehicles by 2025 – 5 years ahead of previous plans.

Some automakers refer to “electrified vehicles” when talking about electric vehicle plans and they are generally using the term to talk about the mix of hybrid (HEV), plug-in hybrid (PHEV), and all-electric (BEV) vehicles.
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So in Toyota speak electrified also includes hybrid vehicles.

I did not have to read the article because I knew this from quite a while ago. But it is clearly stated in the article that Toyota includes hybrid when it says electrified.

Heck the next Tundra is likely to get a hybrid powertrain
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Reading is your friend



So in Toyota speak electrified also includes hybrid vehicles.

I did not have to read the article because I knew this from quite a while ago. But it is clearly stated in the article that Toyota includes hybrid when it says electrified.

Heck the next Tundra is likely to get a hybrid powertrain
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As Ive said theyre lying to themselves and theyre misleading consumers too.
 
PoS said:
As Ive said theyre lying to themselves and theyre misleading consumers too.
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They are not lying

It is electrified, just not electric. I doubt any consumer is likely stupid enough to buy a hybrid vehicle without the knowledge it can also use gasoline and not just the minor battery range provide in a plug in hybrid
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
They are not lying

It is electrified, just not electric. I doubt any consumer is likely stupid enough to buy a hybrid vehicle without the knowledge it can also use gasoline and not just the minor battery range provide in a plug in hybrid
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Read the OPs' title. It says "all-electric cars." If they arent, then theyre lying. Simple as that.
 
Media_Truth said:
EVs and Hybrids continue to be the focus for the future for the auto industry. Original plan accelerated by 5 years.

Toyota unveils images of upcoming all-electric cars, accelerates EV plans by 5 years - Electrek

During a briefing with the press this week, Toyota Executive Vice President Shigeki Terashi said that the automaker plans for half of its global sales to be electrified vehicles by 2025 – 5 years ahead of previous plans.
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Serial hybrids are a better way to go than direct drives, so this is a good thing.
They do not qualify what Toyota means by electrified vehicles.
 
PoS said:
Read the OPs' title. It says "all-electric cars." If they arent, then theyre lying. Simple as that.
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The OP states
Revels images of all electric cars

Which may have been the case. When talking about 50% of the sales it was clearly stated electrified vehicles

Reading is your friend.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The OP states
Revels images of all electric cars

Which may have been the case. When talking about 50% of the sales it was clearly stated electrified vehicles

Reading is your friend.
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Are not hybrid cars sold today electrified vehicles ?
 
longview said:
Are not hybrid cars sold today electrified vehicles ?
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According to Toyota they are

The article states that Toyota wants 50% of its sales to be electrified vehicles, which I did state in my first post in this thread would include hybrids

I expect that for electrified vehicles Toyota is around 15% right now globally (guess on my part and most likely lower)
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
They are not lying

It is electrified, just not electric. I doubt any consumer is likely stupid enough to buy a hybrid vehicle without the knowledge it can also use gasoline and not just the minor battery range provide in a plug in hybrid
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Wouldn't it be wiser not to include the IC engine and fuel tank (generator?) and just add more battery (range) capability? For those that want to add an IC powered generator (to recharge in remote areas?) make that an optional feature. It seems that carrying the added weight of an IC generator and its fuel supply 100% of the time is very inefficient.
 
So...how about if they say "we are moving at an accelerated rate to hybrid and or electrified cars with the understanding that electrified cars will still require fossil fuel production for recharging but is expected to gain a net positive reduction in pollutants"

Wouldnt that make everyone happy?

I mean...cleaner air...cleaner water...realistic development of better and more efficient vehicles AND people smart enough to understand that fossil fuel arent going away an time soon...thats a good thing...right?
 
Drawdown said:
Good luck with that.
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It would go a lot better if someone other than Tesla would start making electric cars that don't look like toasters. Based on the drawings in the link, Toyota seems poised to continue that baffling tradition.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Wouldn't it be wiser not to include the IC engine and fuel tank (generator?) and just add more battery (range) capability? For those that want to add an IC powered generator (to recharge in remote areas?) make that an optional feature. It seems that carrying the added weight of an IC generator and its fuel supply 100% of the time is very inefficient.
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I think the trade off between added batteries and a small IC motor would come out in favor of the IC generator.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sportsma...-35f-16dda795a815bc&athancid=null&athena=true
here is a 2000 watt model that weighs 53 lbs, something built into the car could be less pounds per watt.
 
Tlrmln said:
It would go a lot better if someone other than Tesla would start making electric cars that don't look like toasters. Based on the drawings in the link, Toyota seems poised to continue that baffling tradition.
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But the Cylon Toasters look cool:

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Drawdown said:
"All-Electric cars" would suggest otherwise. Ultimately, anything the drives up the price of cars is going to drive down sales of new cars.
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Anyone here familiar with logistics?

Can you imagine the demand for charging stations, and how many acres they would have to be to accommodate so many electric cars
 
longview said:
I think the trade off between added batteries and a small IC motor would come out in favor of the IC generator.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sportsma...-35f-16dda795a815bc&athancid=null&athena=true
here is a 2000 watt model that weighs 53 lbs, something built into the car could be less pounds per watt.
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My point is that something not built in can be carried if (only when?) needed. I already have a portable, 3100 watt inverter generator (about 90 lbs. with fuel) which is easily transported and normally stored in my RV or cargo trailer. Taking it along on longer trips in an EV would be easy enough. A non-inverter type generator weighs less per watt but its power is not as stable (clean?) and they tend to use more fuel since they run at a fixed RPM rather than adjust to the load demand.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The OP states
Revels images of all electric cars

Which may have been the case. When talking about 50% of the sales it was clearly stated electrified vehicles

Reading is your friend.
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You and chagos have no idea what the term "all-electric cars" means, ah well the rest of the world wont wait on you. Too bad.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Wouldn't it be wiser not to include the IC engine and fuel tank (generator?) and just add more battery (range) capability? For those that want to add an IC powered generator (to recharge in remote areas?) make that an optional feature. It seems that carrying the added weight of an IC generator and its fuel supply 100% of the time is very inefficient.
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The plug in hybrid typically has enough battery range for most daily commutes for people in the US and Canada (40 miles of battery range on average) The engine allows for extended trips without the need for a second vehicle or renting one instead.

For some people they can go a few months without having to fill up with gasoline if they used it for commutes and plugged it in regularly. The added weight of the battery pack + electric motor and gas/ IC engine of course adds weight and make the vehicle less efficient than other wise could be. So compared to a normal hybrid it is not as efficient when in IC engine mode, and it is not as efficient as an electric vehicle would be with the same battery pack, but without the IC engine.

But the vehicle is overall more efficient than a non hybrid (in city travel) and does not have the range limitations of electric vehicles. So if in an area with renewable energy as the primary electric source (or nuclear) the CO2 footprint is lower and gas usage should drop drastically if used in daily commuting.

With plug in hybrid I would likely not use any gas except on weekends
 
PoS said:
You and chagos have no idea what the term "all-electric cars" means, ah well the rest of the world wont wait on you. Too bad.
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You did not read the article nor understand the headline

Revels all electric vehicles is separate from the plan to sell 50% electrified vehicles
 
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