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    Meet the money behind the climate denial movement

    Meet the Money Behind The Climate Denial Movement
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    “The anti-climate effort has been largely underwritten by conservative billionaires,” says the Guardian, “often working through secretive funding networks. They have displaced corporations as the prime supporters of 91 think tanks, advocacy groups and industry associations which have worked to block action on climate change.”
    Old article but the problem has not gone anywhere; it's just gotten worse. Big Oil and Big Coal are pumping billions of dollars worth of disinformation to confuse the conversation over climate change, and many conservatives are lapping it up. The question is why they choose to listen to these corporatist hacks instead of scientists, and why we allow these corporatists to poison the discussion.
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    Re: Meet the money behind the climate denial movement

    Unfortunately, many have seem to have watched too many lowbrow sci-fi movies in which a lone clever genius outcast by the rest of his field for being a complete ****ing moron actually has the answer that saves humanity from itself....




    A mundane explanation stands no chance, especially when "they" have already claimed AGW is a hoax perpetrated by tens of thousands (is it more?) scientists around the world who devoted their careers to studying parts of systems that contribute to the total global climate - nevermind that people doing research on grants (usually government) tend not to make much of anything - to perpetrate this hoax on the rest of the world so that the rest of the world will switch to energy production, which in turn will cost those very same scientists real money in terms of taxes.

    Great evil plan! Makes perfect sense!

    They're trying to impugn all the scientists with the worst possible motive a politician could have.
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    Re: Meet the money behind the climate denial movement

    This evidence-free diatribe has not improved with age.
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    Re: Meet the money behind the climate denial movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    This evidence-free diatribe has not improved with age.
    You're one of the folks on the payroll, so-o-o-o-o...
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    If we just got rid of democracy, or severely limited it to only those worth 1,000,000 or more this wouldnt be an issue

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    Re: Meet the money behind the climate denial movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    Unfortunately, many have seem to have watched too many lowbrow sci-fi movies in which a lone clever genius outcast by the rest of his field for being a complete ****ing moron actually has the answer that saves humanity from itself....




    A mundane explanation stands no chance, especially when "they" have already claimed AGW is a hoax perpetrated by tens of thousands (is it more?) scientists around the world who devoted their careers to studying parts of systems that contribute to the total global climate - nevermind that people doing research on grants (usually government) tend not to make much of anything - to perpetrate this hoax on the rest of the world so that the rest of the world will switch to energy production, which in turn will cost those very same scientists real money in terms of taxes.

    Great evil plan! Makes perfect sense!

    They're trying to impugn all the scientists with the worst possible motive a politician could have.
    Anyone who hasn't seen it needs to see 2014's "Merchants of Doubt"

    Rips the lid off all the idiocy the CDs spew.

    I think it might make Jake Hays cry.

    Merchants Of Doubt (2015) - Rotten Tomatoes

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    Re: Meet the money behind the climate denial movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir View Post
    Anyone who hasn't seen it needs to see 2014's "Merchants of Doubt"

    Rips the lid off all the idiocy the CDs spew.

    I think it might make Jake Hays cry.

    Merchants Of Doubt (2015) - Rotten Tomatoes
    Judith Curry long ago exposed this for the puerile nonsense that it is.

    The bottom line here is that very sloppy history and social science research (Oreskes and Conway) is being used to justify ad hominem attacks against scientists that do not support the prevailing consensus. I find this reprehensible. . . . .
    Its time for the convinced to start beefing up their scientific arguments; they are not going to win any arguments by making ad hominem attacks on other scientists.


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    Re: Meet the money behind the climate denial movement

    Russia will have to find a new place to move the gulags.......

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    Re: Meet the money behind the climate denial movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Judith Curry long ago exposed this for the puerile nonsense that it is.

    The bottom line here is that very sloppy history and social science research (Oreskes and Conway) is being used to justify ad hominem attacks against scientists that do not support the prevailing consensus. I find this reprehensible. . . . .
    It’s time for the ‘convinced’ to start beefing up their scientific arguments; they are not going to win any arguments by making ad hominem attacks on other scientists.


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    Mar 15, 2015 - by Judith Curry Naomi Oreskes' new movie Merchants of Doubt has recently ... The book The movie is based on the book Merchants of Doubt by Conway and ... On a minor personal note, I have been criticized for presenting a ...
    Oh, just dang it.

    You've relied on partisan bull**** that you claim to hate.

    DAMMIT!

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    Re: Meet the money behind the climate denial movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir View Post
    Oh, just dang it.

    You've relied on partisan bull**** that you claim to hate.

    DAMMIT!
    There is no one less partisan than Judith Curry.
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    Re: Meet the money behind the climate denial movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There is no one less partisan than Judith Curry.
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