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    Re: Renewable Energy and Electric Cars Pressure Oil Economically as Well as Environmentally

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay59 View Post
    It was less. I bought an Infinity for $7000. Of course, it wasn't new.

    Not nothing. The point of saying $15,000 is that is the price of a subcompact these days, say a Chevy Spark or a Ford Fiesta. When EV can compete in that market, you will have something worth talking about.
    My Chevy Volt is an extremely quiet car. I rented a Spark once. It was a rattletrap. If you want to compare apples-to-apples, compare the quiet EVs with a Lexus.

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    Re: Renewable Energy and Electric Cars Pressure Oil Economically as Well as Environmentally

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay59 View Post
    You are self limiting to urban centers, which is valid. Now, all you have to do is make them affordable to everyone, without government subsidy.

    Call in ten years and let me know how things are going.
    Here is data on the Nissan Leaf.

    https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/e...ing.html?pth=4

    They have 2 options for range - 150 miles or 226 miles. They discuss a 80% Level-3 charge in 45-60 minutes. The basic Leaf lists for about $30K. Federal tax credit is $7500. My state of Colorado has an additional credit for $5000. That gets the price down to darn-right affordable, and after you own it, you will laugh all the way to the bank, for previous reasons mentioned. You call it a "Government Subsidy", I call it a "Government Necessity". The government is responsible to adhere to EPA clean air regulations, and they are penalized if they fail. Common sense prevails.
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    Re: Renewable Energy and Electric Cars Pressure Oil Economically as Well as Environmentally

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    The solution is here. That why EV owners are so happy with their choices.

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    Who says a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle, is not an EV? It is, the only difference is in how the energy is stored.

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    Re: Renewable Energy and Electric Cars Pressure Oil Economically as Well as Environmentally

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Who says a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle, is not an EV? It is, the only difference is in how the energy is stored.
    My purpose is not to criticize the future of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. Currently, they are behind the eight-ball, and electric vehicles are already here and very viable.

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    Re: Renewable Energy and Electric Cars Pressure Oil Economically as Well as Environmentally

    Criminals love it when cops drive Teslas.

    Cop gets bad surprise during high-speed chase

    "Above all, not too much zeal." --Prince Talleyrand

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    Re: Renewable Energy and Electric Cars Pressure Oil Economically as Well as Environmentally

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Criminals love it when cops drive Teslas.

    Cop gets bad surprise during high-speed chase

    Yep.

    A gasoline vehicle is easier to keep filled during the day.
    The left says the right is full of racists and bigots and have no tolerance. Nobody from the right organizes interference with gay pride parades, or other leftist events. The left however always has a group interfering with events organized by the right. Who are the tolerant ones I ask? Most certainly not the left.

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    Re: Renewable Energy and Electric Cars Pressure Oil Economically as Well as Environmentally

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Criminals love it when cops drive Teslas.

    Cop gets bad surprise during high-speed chase

    Poor planning by the officer. A Tesla has about a 300-mile range. That isn't much difference than the mileage of an IC car, with a tank of gas. If he would have run out of gas, would you have reported it?

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    Re: Renewable Energy and Electric Cars Pressure Oil Economically as Well as Environmentally

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    For reasons I mentioned, EVs are far superior to gasoline-powered vehicles. Batteries are coming down in cost, and there are major efforts underway to completely recycle the batteries. As mentioned, RANGE is not an issue for over 99% of vehicular trips. EV owners, including myself easily figure out ways to deal with range. As a matter-of-fact, there is a large circle of EV owners who want less range from their EV. They want less batteries, and an associated lower cost. The manufacturer could then make more vehicles, with fewer batteries.
    I'm about to buy a new small electric motorcycle from zhong Chen in china. Like an electric Honda Grom. 45 MPH 30 mile range riding it like you stole it

    Only $3200 out the door. Tax, license, the whole bit.

    No more gas to work no more paying for parking. And the place I'm living now has a big array, so solar powered to boot.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
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    Re: Renewable Energy and Electric Cars Pressure Oil Economically as Well as Environmentally

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    My purpose is not to criticize the future of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. Currently, they are behind the eight-ball, and electric vehicles are already here and very viable.
    One of the beauties of EVs is that they don't care where their electrons come from.

    If some new tech comes on line, some new energy source or storage method like a file cell might just be an upgrade. Swapped out for the batteries.

    Another thing rarely talked about if a bunch of EVs plugged into the grid represent the holy grail: grid storage.
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    Re: Renewable Energy and Electric Cars Pressure Oil Economically as Well as Environmentally

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    One of the beauties of EVs is that they don't care where their electrons come from.

    If some new tech comes on line, some new energy source or storage method like a file cell might just be an upgrade. Swapped out for the batteries.

    Another thing rarely talked about if a bunch of EVs plugged into the grid represent the holy grail: grid storage.
    Absolutely - fleets of electric cars are a great application for storage of renewable energy. I already have renewables, but now that I am going to electric vehicles, I just got a quote on a PV system on my garage roof. Love the electric motorcycle idea!!!

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