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No Climate Doomsday Warning Has Come True

jimbo said:
Could you cherry pick the doomsday climate statements that have turned out to be true for us?
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When will you stop beating your wife?
 
longview said:
The .89 C is within the margin of error, so no big deal, I think I calculated that based on a decade average, but close enough.
My point was that the total warming is not 1.2 C, but much lower.
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The rate at which the surface temperature is warming is really immaterial. The fact that it is warming is all that really matters, because that is a good thing. It is the reason why we are able to feed 7.6 billion people without reoccurring famines like occurred during the Little Ice-Age. A warming planet benefits all species, but particularly humanity.
 
Glitch said:
A pandemic has to rank up right up there as a possibility. It has been over a century since the last pandemic wiped out millions. Or possibly an asteroid, not large enough to wipe us all out - we know about those already - but certainly large enough to wipe out a city with a population of millions that we don't know about. Then, of course, there are those random events that nobody could have possibly predicted, like the star Betelgeuse going supernova 500 years ago, and the energy of that blast just reaching us today. The universe is a hostile place. We're lucky to have made it this far.
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We are getting really good at genetic engineering, so eventually its going to be very easy for a lunatic to engineer a super-virus that wipe most of us out. So a pandemic is certain. The question is will it wipe us out?
 
Glitch said:
The rate at which the surface temperature is warming is really immaterial. The fact that it is warming is all that really matters, because that is a good thing. It is the reason why we are able to feed 7.6 billion people without reoccurring famines like occurred during the Little Ice-Age. A warming planet benefits all species, but particularly humanity.
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Where are you getting this information? The Trump administration recently put out estimates of economic and public health damages from climate change. It’s devastating.
 
longview said:
We do not have to make hydrocarbon fuel from foodstocks,(and should not!) We can put together the components from base elements.
NRL Seawater Carbon Capture Process Receives U.S. Patent | News
A modern cracking refinery is already assembling olefins into desired fuels,
Shell has the end stage for turning natural gas (CH4) into whatever liquid fuel is in demand.
Consider that as solar expands, so will the seasonal surpluses of electricity, a supply without a demand.
If the refineries provided a grid level dump load, and stored all the surplus electricity as transport fuels,
they could then sell those fuels through their existing distribution infrastructure.
The limitation is that currently the greater profit is in refining oil, but the cutoff is ~$90 a barrel.
if oil get above that, the refinery could make greater profit, by making their own feedstock.
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I agree with you about using foodstocks for fuel. Which is why all ethanol production should be stopped immediately.

I had to look up olefins. I was not familiar with alkene. The real question becomes whether or not it costs more energy to produce than it releases. It is reminiscent of bio-fuels, which are currently never produced in large enough quantities to be useful to more than a handful of people. Solar will become more useful, now that they have developed transparent solar panels. It means that every window in every home or office building could potentially be used to generate electricity in the future. We also use a lot of hydroelectric in Alaska, and we are looking into using geothermal considering we have 70 active volcanoes. However, we are going to need more than just electrical energy when it comes to transportation. Particularly in the north where cold and lack of sunlight are a factor. That is where this alkene has potential.
 
longview said:
"Good" is relative, I was working on computer systems in the early 80's, and super mini's before the 90's,
Today's machines can run simulations a lot faster, but still run much the same simulations, with many of the same assumptions.
Temperatures have not increased by 1.2 C, GISS is currently at about .92, and Hadcrut4 is at about .89 C, since the 1800's
Where we are at is that forcing warming (no feedback) from all the greenhouse gasses, is at roughly,
(5.35 X ln(496/280) X.3)=.91 C, and that is about the amount of warming we have seen.
What this means is that there is minimal latency, and minimal net feedback to warming perturbations.
Of course this implies that the forcing level of 3.71 Wm-2 for 2XCO2 is accurate, and again there is minimal empirical
evidence to support that ether.
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Thats not what I'm seeing. In fact looking at the data the data goes from an anomaly of about -.4 or -.5 C to +.9 C, which is more like 1.3 to 1.4 C increase.
Climate at a Glance | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)
Global Temperature | Vital Signs – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
Berkeley Earth

Even if your anomaly is .9 C for a 50% CO2 increase, that is 1.8 C for a 100% CO2 increase. This is in the 1.5-4.5 C range. My estimate of about 1.35 C for 50% is 2.7 for 100% CO2 increase.

However, these calculations don't take into account that the 1.5-4.5 range was for dates after the estimate was given, not after 1880. Also, CO2 isn't necessarily the only driver of the recent temperature increase(although other climate factors do cancel each other out). In addition, there are going to be positive feedbacks over the next few decades and centuries that are going to increase temperatures further. Its also not accurate to completely extrapolate what the temperature will be after a 100% CO2 increase from what it was after a 50% CO2 increase.
 
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distraff said:
Climate change won't wipe out humans, it will just cost us tens of trillions of dollars, if the scientists are to be believed. There are other threats which have a good chance of at least mostly wiping us out in 100 years.
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Climate change could well wipe out humans. There have been at least 6 major changes. All have wiped out species. As many as 90%. Clearing the way for the rise of humans.

It's extremely presumptuous to presume we can cause it or repair it.
 
distraff said:
I'm a software developer so I very much understand that computers existed before the 90s. My point is that they only really started to be good in the 90s. Currently CO2 has been increased by 50% and temperatures have increased by 1.2 C. The report seems to be accurate, but I would trust more recent research a lot more since we have learned so much since then.
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Atmospheric CO2 has not increased by 50%. :roll:
 
Glitch said:
The rate at which the surface temperature is warming is really immaterial. The fact that it is warming is all that really matters, because that is a good thing. It is the reason why we are able to feed 7.6 billion people without reoccurring famines like occurred during the Little Ice-Age. A warming planet benefits all species, but particularly humanity.
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The earth is at the end of an ice age. The ice will continue to melt. The sea levels will continue to rise. Sea levels over the last 10,000 years have been at historic lows over the last 50 million years of earth. As the current ice age finally comes to a complete end - if it does - the sea levels will rise. Claiming humans can stop this is something only fools buy into.
 
ataraxia said:
Where are you getting this information? The Trump administration recently put out estimates of economic and public health damages from climate change. It’s devastating.
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I'm well aware of the leftist propaganda being published by the anti-American left. My information comes from actual history. You might try learning a little of it. Like the social, cultural, and technological developments of Minoans 5,669 years ago when their warming period began, and was 4°C warmer than today. Or the social, cultural, and technological developments of Romans 2,200 years ago when their warming period began, and was 3°C warmer than today. Or the social, cultural, and technological developments of the Renascence 1,069 years ago when their warming period began, and was 2°C warmer than today. During the last 169 years since the Modern Warming Period began, humanity has made huge strides in social, cultural, and technological developments than have never been matched before. All thanks to a warming climate.

Leftists have a deep-seated hatred for humanity, which is why they strive to make them fail and undermine all of the achievements humanity has accomplished.
 
Glitch said:
I'm well aware of the leftist propaganda being published by the anti-American left. My information comes from actual history. You might try learning a little of it. Like the social, cultural, and technological developments of Minoans 5,669 years ago when their warming period began, and was 4°C warmer than today. Or the social, cultural, and technological developments of Romans 2,200 years ago when their warming period began, and was 3°C warmer than today. Or the social, cultural, and technological developments of the Renascence 1,069 years ago when their warming period began, and was 2°C warmer than today. During the last 169 years since the Modern Warming Period began, humanity has made huge strides in social, cultural, and technological developments than have never been matched before. All thanks to a warming climate.

Leftists have a deep-seated hatred for humanity, which is why they strive to make them fail and undermine all of the achievements humanity has accomplished.
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First of all, I was not aware that the Trump administration was the anti- American left.

Second of all, why aren’t the hottest parts of the planet like the tropics the most advanced and prosperous?
 
joko104 said:
The earth is at the end of an ice age. The ice will continue to melt. The sea levels will continue to rise. Sea levels over the last 10,000 years have been at historic lows over the last 50 million years of earth. As the current ice age finally comes to a complete end - if it does - the sea levels will rise. Claiming humans can stop this is something only fools buy into.
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Not the end yet, just one of many interglacial periods. The current Holocene Interglacial Period is not even the warmest of the last four interglacial periods. Eventually the snow and ice will return and we will once again be locked into another ~100,000 years of glaciation where between 20% and 30% of the planet will be consumed in ice. With a mean surface temperature of only 14.8°C this current ice-age that began 2.58 million years ago is a long way from being over.
 
ataraxia said:
First of all, I was not aware that the Trump administration was the anti- American left.
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I know. You are not aware of a great many things.

ataraxia said:
Second of all, why aren’t the hottest parts of the planet like the tropics the most advanced and prosperous?
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They were. Where do you think the Minoans and Romans existed? Even the Greeks, Egyptians, and Persians were considered some of the most advanced cultures of their day.
 
Glitch said:
I know. You are not aware of a great many things.



They were. Where do you think the Minoans and Romans existed? Even the Greeks, Egyptians, and Persians were considered some of the most advanced cultures of their day.
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Why was England more advanced Than the Congo?
 
ataraxia said:
So that means that all of the scientific organizations all over the planet issuing warnings have no proof and can now safely be ignored?
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If there were proof then there would be no nattering about consensus.
 
PoS said:
Very true. However since this climate alarmism has become a religion, they dont care how wrong they are since theyre all fanatics who dont have a clue as to what's going on. I would compare them to ISIS or Al Qaeda.
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Well...some of them actually know it's BS but they don't want to be fired and have their career ruined by speaking up so they stay silent.
 
Jack Hays said:
If there were proof then there would be no nattering about consensus.
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Proof only exist in mathematics, not Science. Point to one thing in science that is 100% proven.

You have no idea how science works.
 
Surface Detail said:
Who cares what a bunch of random people said? What's the logic here? Some people were wrong, therefore other people must also be wrong? Sounds like something an idiot would come out with :roll:

The actual science and predictions are in the IPCC reports.
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Head in Sand. Does not matter if you believe, not how mother nature or reality works, beliefs are irrelevant.
 
PoS said:
Very true. However since this climate alarmism has become a religion, they dont care how wrong they are since theyre all fanatics who dont have a clue as to what's going on. I would compare them to ISIS or Al Qaeda.
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Only in the great scheme of things probably a lot more dangerous given the already negative impacts on our childrens self worth and as a consequence the propagation of this indoctrinated climate guilt amongst future generations....... Ker ching

Just look at what happened yesterday to see how successful this ongoing government programming has become :(
 
❓~ Why have there been no public discussions/debates on climate with "experts" from both sides... Because the entire "climate catastrophe" debate has become political and no longer a science argument. Just listen to the dumb-dumbs in the US as an example !
 
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