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AOC says Miami will not exists in a few years, if we do not do something about climate change.

If I wanted the opinion of some ditzy bartender I'd go down to my local tavern.
 
longview said:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez makes a stark prediction about climate change [Video]
She says that Miami will not exists, a then says we have to be realistic about these things.
My question is which is it? being realistic means Miami will be fine for many years.
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If she's wrong, and we still enact environmental protection, we'll have gone over a bunch of hurdles for nothing.

If she's right, and we don't enact environmental protection, we'll face a human catastrophe.

Basic game theory says which mistake would be worse, but I don't expect you to understand why. :shrug:
 
Phys251 said:
If she's wrong, and we still enact environmental protection, we'll have gone over a bunch of hurdles for nothing.

If she's right, and we don't enact environmental protection, we'll face a human catastrophe.

Basic game theory says which mistake would be worse, but I don't expect you to understand why. :shrug:
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Also even if all the world's scientists, federal agencies under Donald Trump and fossil fuel companies was wrong about the urgent need for action on climate change, you still have the great upside of getting rid of a lot of toxic pollution. That reaching the Paris Agreement could save a million lives a year globally just through reduction in air pollution.

"Meeting the goals of the Paris Agreement could save about a million lives a year worldwide by 2050 through reductions in air pollution alone. The latest estimates from leading experts also indicate that the value of health gains from climate action would be approximately double the cost of mitigation policies at global level, and the benefit-to-cost ratio is even higher in countries such as China and India."

WHO: Health Benefits Far Outweigh Costs of Meeting Paris Goals | UNFCCC
 
Phys251 said:
If she's wrong, and we still enact environmental protection, we'll have gone over a bunch of hurdles for nothing.

If she's right, and we don't enact environmental protection, we'll face a human catastrophe.

Basic game theory says which mistake would be worse, but I don't expect you to understand why. :shrug:
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It doesn't matter. No need to play the game. She also says the world will end in about 12 years.

Miami is screwed either way.
 
Phys251 said:
If she's wrong, and we still enact environmental protection, we'll have gone over a bunch of hurdles for nothing.

If she's right, and we don't enact environmental protection, we'll face a human catastrophe.

Basic game theory says which mistake would be worse, but I don't expect you to understand why. :shrug:
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What evidence would suggest that she is correct?
 
Mycroft said:
It doesn't matter. No need to play the game. She also says the world will end in about 12 years.

Miami is screwed either way.
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:lamo yet another right winger who thinks that "12 years" comment was literal.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Also even if all the world's scientists, federal agencies under Donald Trump and fossil fuel companies was wrong about the urgent need for action on climate change, you still have the great upside of getting rid of a lot of toxic pollution. That reaching the Paris Agreement could save a million lives a year globally just through reduction in air pollution.

"Meeting the goals of the Paris Agreement could save about a million lives a year worldwide by 2050 through reductions in air pollution alone. The latest estimates from leading experts also indicate that the value of health gains from climate action would be approximately double the cost of mitigation policies at global level, and the benefit-to-cost ratio is even higher in countries such as China and India."

WHO: Health Benefits Far Outweigh Costs of Meeting Paris Goals | UNFCCC
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You are under the impression that CO2 is a pollutant, some do agree, but for CO2 to actually be a pollutant
we would need to identify the Human contribution, and that is easier said than done.
 
The time frame is early but Miami (at least Miami Beach) is getting flooding on normal sunny days

High Tides Cause Flooding In Several Areas Across Miami Beach – CBS Miami

Miami Beach’s Sea Level Mitigation plan is raising streets and installing more pipes and pumps to stop that “sunny day flooding.”

Indian Creek Drive, right near Collins Avenue and 31st Street is next on the list for improvement.

“It will include elevated roadways, new pipes and pumps to remove the water,” Coley said, “and all of that water on Collins Avenue drains to Indian Creek Road and so we’ll be pulling that water out.”
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Report: Sea Level Rise Triggering Miami to Flood During High Tides | Newsmax.com


In an analysis, the Post reported Miami set daily high tide records for more than a week straight for the period between late July and early August, though there were no storms.

Sunny day coastal flooding is now routine when the sun and moon line up just right, the Post reported.

"These [king tides] happen several times a year, and they can really cause problems for residents," central Florida meteorologist Irene Sans for WFTV said, the Post reported. "This is salt water mixed with sewage


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One analysis shows there was a 5.9-inch sea-level rise in Miami since 1996, the Post reported.

And Climate Central, a nonprofit organization specializing in communicating climate science, paints a grim picture for Miami's future, estimating $5.7 billion in residential property value is at risk of being flooded by 2050 in just Miami Beach alone.

"Some areas in the Keys no longer offer permits to build," Sans has written, according to the Post.



Read Newsmax: Report: Sea Level Rise Triggering Miami to Flood During High Tides | Newsmax.com
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The sweet smell of sewage and salt water at high tide, coming up the pipes.


Note if this was a normal event in Miami, I expect the roads and pipes would have been built at a higher level decades ago rather than just now. I doubt the idea of sewage coming up from the sewer system is something the citizens of Miami would have really liked 20 years ago or 40 for that matter
 
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aociswundumho said:
If I wanted the opinion of some ditzy bartender I'd go down to my local tavern.
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A bar tender that graduated cum lade with a degree in international relations and economics.

I'd take her opinion over the low information rightwinger any day of the week.
 
longview said:
You are under the impression that CO2 is a pollutant, some do agree, but for CO2 to actually be a pollutant
we would need to identify the Human contribution, and that is easier said than done.
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Is manure, or fecal matter a pollutant?

I would say yes, even though it is a natural ingredient created just by living. In the same way that CO2 is. Both can be beneficial for plants, and in excessive quantities very harmful to humans
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Is manure, or fecal matter a pollutant?

I would say yes, even though it is a natural ingredient created just by living. In the same way that CO2 is. Both can be beneficial for plants, and in excessive quantities very harmful to humans
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I am not sure those would be classified as a pollutant, but CO2 is what is really questionable.
 
Deuce said:
:lamo yet another right winger who thinks that "12 years" comment was literal.
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Oh. So, when she said that about the "12 years", she was...what?...bull****ting? If so, then is she also bull****ting about Miami?

I suppose so. Seems the left does love their hyperbole. It plays well with the useful idiots.
 
longview said:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez makes a stark prediction about climate change [Video]
She says that Miami will not exists, a then says we have to be realistic about these things.
My question is which is it? being realistic means Miami will be fine for many years.
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Christians say no true believers will exist tomorrow. That includes Muslims and Jews. Or that they will exist the day after that. Or "beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" kind of tomorrow. That's the long and the short of it.
 
bluesmoke said:
Christians say no true believers will exist tomorrow. That includes Muslims and Jews. Or exist the day after that. Or " beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" kind of tomorrow. That's the long and the short of it.
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Who cares? We are talking about numbers, and Miami is not going anywhere for many decades.
The rate of sea level rise/subsidence, is about 20 inches per century.
This report places subsidence as high as -3mm/year of the recorded 5.2 mm/year of Sea level change.
http://www.ces.fau.edu/arctic-florida/pdfs/fiaschi-wdowinski.pdf
Preliminary InSAR results detected localized subsidence, up to -*‐3 mm/yr, mainly in reclaimed land located along the western side of Miami Beach.
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longview said:
My question is which is it? being realistic means Miami will be fine for many years.
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You seem to be focusing way to heavily on how long a "few" is. Her point holds. It's a matter of time before cities like Miami are seriously threatened by climate change. I live in Charleston, SC and already flooding is a major problem. It's fairly standard for large sections of the downtown to have to shut down after a hard rain.
 
Mycroft said:
It doesn't matter. No need to play the game. She also says the world will end in about 12 years.

Miami is screwed either way.
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You think that you understand anything about game theory? :D
 
longview said:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez makes a stark prediction about climate change [Video]
She says that Miami will not exists, a then says we have to be realistic about these things.
My question is which is it? being realistic means Miami will be fine for many years.
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If Miami is left to nature's devices that may very well be the case. The bigger question is what we're going to do about protecting coastal areas from the encroachment of the rising sea levels. The more immediate course of action is to start planning for counter measures from an engineering perspective. The other step is to start finding ways to impact the environment less in order to help minimize the latter for future generations.
 
Phys251 said:
You think that you understand anything about game theory? :D
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I can know a losing game when I see one.

AOC is playing a losing game...of her own making.
 
MrWonka said:
You seem to be focusing way to heavily on how long a "few" is. Her point holds. It's a matter of time before cities like Miami are seriously threatened by climate change. I live in Charleston, SC and already flooding is a major problem. It's fairly standard for large sections of the downtown to have to shut down after a hard rain.
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It is not what a few is, but the cause. The sea level was rising long before CO2 levels started to increase.
Why would we believe that the sea level rise would slow down or stop because of our we limit CO2 emissions?
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Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides & Currents
Even the sea level rise in Charleston, SC, appears to be steady, compared to ether temperature or CO2 level.
Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides & Currents
We will have to address sea level rise, no matter what we do with CO2!
 
ElChupacabra said:
If Miami is left to nature's devices that may very well be the case. The bigger question is what we're going to do about protecting coastal areas from the encroachment of the rising sea levels. The more immediate course of action is to start planning for counter measures from an engineering perspective. The other step is to start finding ways to impact the environment less in order to help minimize the latter for future generations.
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I agree that we need to protect coastal areas from sea level rise, but is is very questionable if the observed
sea level rise has much to do with the other observations.
We should find a better energy solution then extracting past stored solar energy from oil, but for different reasons than AGW.
 
Mycroft said:
I can know a losing game when I see one.

AOC is playing a losing game...of her own making.
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Try me. Let me know how much you know about the science of game theory. You don't have to list everything, just a couple examples will do. :lol:
 
Phys251 said:
Try me. Let me know how much you know about the science of game theory. You don't have to list everything, just a couple examples will do. :lol:
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Not necessary.

You are the one who wants to use game theory to answer whether to help Miami or ignore Miami. I'm saying Miami is screwed either way.

But hey...you go ahead and play AOC's losing game. I pass.
 
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