"I'm a conservative Republican. Climate change is real."

Professor Richard Alley on Being a Republican Climate Scientist (2014)

PirateMk1 said:

I am not going to call him an idiot,....yet. He is misinformed, badly.

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Well, he’s from a state that has reported tropical diseases that have never occurred in the US before, and then storm drains back up onto the street at low tide.

But HE’s misinformed.......

Got it.

Part of a long post by a German car enthusiast I know.

"According to a German study the complete decarbonization of Germany is going to cost every single person in a German household 640,- Euros: per month. That’s 7680,- Euros a year, and just for one person. A family of four? Whoa!!! And those 640,- Euros per person are just a rough estimate with potential rising cost per year!"

Activists in Germany have begun disrupting car shows and damaging new cars. They don't even like EV's. A little over the top?

Geoist said:

"The Earth is cooling!"

"Antarctica is gaining ice!"

"The Earth is warming, but it is natural warming!"

"The warming is caused by the sun!"

"The warming is caused by volcanoes!"

The deniers need to get the arguments straight before they can ever expect to be taken seriously.

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Yes that the deniers can't even agree on if there are global warming, global cooling or something between right now.

"In an article for the Guardian, one of the researchers, Dana Nuccitelli points out another red flag with the climate-change-denying papers: “There is no cohesive, consistent alternative theory to human-caused global warming,” he writes. “Some blame global warming on the sun, others on orbital cycles of other planets, others on ocean cycles, and so on. There is a 97% expert consensus on a cohesive theory that’s overwhelmingly supported by the scientific evidence, but the 2–3% of papers that reject that consensus are all over the map, even contradicting each other.”'

The 3% of scientific papers that deny climate change are all flawed — Quartz

Republican politicians are also starting to see the great benefits of renewable energy.

Why Republican Leaders Love Renewable Energy

Alternate headline:

Democrats pretend to care what Republican lawmaker thinks - when he agrees with them.

What a moronic statement."Climate change is real" .
Climates always change at milli levels every second. Stasis is impossible.

Visbek said:

Politico article written by Republican House Representative Francis Rooney.
I'm a conservative Republican. Climate change is real.

I’m a conservative Republican and I believe climate change is real. It’s time for my fellow Republicans in Congress to stop treating this environmental threat as something abstract and political and recognize that it’s already affecting their constituents in their daily lives....

I’m from a coastal district that is directly affected by these issues every day. In fact, my home state of Florida is ground zero for the adverse effects of climate change. As these extreme weather events increase in frequency and intensity, Congress — especially my Republican colleagues — needs to recognize the costs, disruptions and global security risks that climate change will bring to both our domestic and foreign policy, and the federal budget.

Rooney is an outlier in the Republican party, but hopefully not for too much longer.

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Say for the sake of argument, climate change was real. Identifying a problem is different from solving the problem of climate change. These are tow separate things. Why does anyone think any quick talking politician/lawyer can solve this problem, without making things worse? What makes any of the current candidates experts in global climate remediation, when this science does not yet even exist, since it has never been done before?

Screwing up something is one things, but fixing the screw up is another thing, entirely. It is harder to fix something than it is to break it. If your son drives your car into a wall, backing out in reverse, does not fix your car. There is a thing called entropy, which requires an entirely different path for fixing compared to breaking. The deep sea diver can descend in one motion, but he has to ascend in stages.

The earth is an integrated system. Because of this integration, we can assume there is an added impact due to the human sourced CO2 and other global warming gases. The current trends in climate, today, are based on over a hundred years of a gradual CO2 increase, where the earth also gradually adapted, until we have the earth of today. The earth still works fine.

Say we were to quit adding CO2 and all the other greenhouse gases, cold turkey, as is proposed by the politicians. In the long term. we may restore the past concentrations and the 100 year old equilibrium. But in the short term, we all create a drastic non equilibrium state, that the earth cannot address, immediately. It took 100 years to get where we are. A one year change back to the past, would not allow the earth to keep pace. It would create a non equilibrium disaster transition state, that would take decades to stabilize. But in the mean time, climate will become more dynamic to remove the potential we will add.

In science, after you identify a problem, solutions are first proposed. The normal protocol is to do pilot scale tests of the best proposals, before jumping into full production mode. This is to make sure you do not make things worse, before you work out the bugs. Nobody has done this before. The politicians offering solutions, by not being scientists, have no clue about the normal protocol and fail safe called pilot studies.

As an example, in the 1980's, a deadly virus was discovered that was decimating the homosexual population. It took a few years to identify it as the AIDS virus. Here we are in 2019, nearly 40 years later and we still have not solved that tiny virus problem, compared to world climate change experiment. Imagine if Senator Granny Warren and others, had jumped at the first hopeful vaccine, in 1988, and made this a national war drive, to immunize everyone, without any pilot study. The result would have been a disaster without solving the problem.

The boneheads who wish to lead this cause, have no clue how to control the earth's climate. Not even the best scientists will claim this. The earth adapts to change, gradually, and in sometimes in unexpected ways. Backing out to quickly may not fix the car, without causing more damage.

Visbek said:

Politico article written by Republican House Representative Francis Rooney.
I'm a conservative Republican. Climate change is real.

I’m a conservative Republican and I believe climate change is real. It’s time for my fellow Republicans in Congress to stop treating this environmental threat as something abstract and political and recognize that it’s already affecting their constituents in their daily lives....

I’m from a coastal district that is directly affected by these issues every day. In fact, my home state of Florida is ground zero for the adverse effects of climate change. As these extreme weather events increase in frequency and intensity, Congress — especially my Republican colleagues — needs to recognize the costs, disruptions and global security risks that climate change will bring to both our domestic and foreign policy, and the federal budget.

Rooney is an outlier in the Republican party, but hopefully not for too much longer.

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Only foolish Republicans who listen to, and believe the political propaganda on FOX News, ignore the obvious facts.

Media_Truth said:

Only foolish Republicans who listen to, and believe the political propaganda on FOX News, ignore the obvious facts.

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Yes that federal agencies under Bush and now Trump could have easily funded and published research about any credible alternative theory. Instead even federal agencies under Trump acknowledge the urgent need for action on manmade global warming like for example NASA.

Effects | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Fossil fuel companies are also among the most profitable companies in the world so they could have easily funded and publishes research into any credible alternative theory. Instead even they have to acknowledge the urgent need for action on climate change.

Climate change and energy transitions | Shell Global