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    Re: Electric Vehicle Sales Are Up in California, but there's a catch...

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    FACT that most non-EV drivers don't know ---> Almost all EV charges are accomplished from the owner's garage, either with a 110-Volt outlet or a 220-Volt outlet. That's what "ordinary people" do.
    I pretty sure most folk DO know that. It's not rocket science.
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    Re: Electric Vehicle Sales Are Up in California, but there's a catch...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    I pretty sure most folk DO know that. It's not rocket science.
    I was responding to this your comment ---> "And I don't have to hunt around for the charging station in Buffalo Chip, Wyoming at 11:30pm; there a 24hr AM/PM on the main street." I live in Colorado. I've owned my car for more than a year, and I have never once charged it at a charging station.

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    Re: Electric Vehicle Sales Are Up in California, but there's a catch...

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    I was responding to this your comment ---> "And I don't have to hunt around for the charging station in Buffalo Chip, Wyoming at 11:30pm; there a 24hr AM/PM on the main street." I live in Colorado. I've owned my car for more than a year, and I have never once charged it at a charging station.
    Good for you - my point was for people who go on road trips for vacations and such. If the farthest you ever drive is a few miles to the office or the market or the beach an EV is fine.
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    Re: Electric Vehicle Sales Are Up in California, but there's a catch...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Good for you - my point was for people who go on road trips for vacations and such. If the farthest you ever drive is a few miles to the office or the market or the beach an EV is fine.
    Yup, EVs lack the versatility and fuel efficiency of gasoline cars. Why would someone limit themselves by choosing an inferior tech?

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    Re: Electric Vehicle Sales Are Up in California, but there's a catch...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Most Americans use their cars for basic commuting and errands functions, which EV cars are more than up to the task for what with the incredibly widespread availability of recharge stations in just about every populated area in California (not the least of which is one's own home), and with average ranges of newer EV's being 150-200 miles. Most families have more than one car, so for the rarer long range trips through particularly unpopulated areas, it makes the most sense right now for families to own one EV and one hybrid.

    And even for road trips, there are very few drives that will leave you stranded. I could go from Los Angeles to Las Vegas with enough recharge stations in between to meet my needs. That's a drive through sizable tracts of desert, if you're not already familiar with that route. I could also get to San Diego, San Francisco and Reno.

    So, yes, fear of range is largely irrational right now, and that's a messaging problem. Also, how many Californians know that driving an EV gives you access to the carpool lane?
    How far do you have to commute and what is the range of your electronic vehicle? Does your employer have adequate charging stations?

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    Re: Electric Vehicle Sales Are Up in California, but there's a catch...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    How far do you have to commute and what is the range of your electronic vehicle? Does your employer have adequate charging stations?
    I’ve taken into account an especially long commute in my neck of the woods...80 miles...which the average EV these days can handle. Keep in mind that that’s an unusually long haul for a work-home commute. More typical long commutes are about 40 miles each way, which the average EV can handle without breaking a sweat.

    Personally, I have a commute of 10 miles, so that’s obviously a non-issue.

    Regardless, if your purpose is commuting and errands, an EV can do it for you.

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    Re: Electric Vehicle Sales Are Up in California, but there's a catch...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The lack of enthusiasm seems to be due to an irrational fear of range. Better messaging about recharging availability as well as other perks would probably lead to a change in consumer choices.
    It depends on what you do with the vehicle. EV's are not as flexible as IC's PHEV's or HEV's. Most people buy a vehicle that is multi purpose because they on only have one or two. People like me have over 5 vehicles. I can afford a EV for bebopping around town. It also depends on your electric rates. You have to run the numbers for each vehicle and its proposed usage. For instance diesel vehicles dont really pay unless you put seriously high miles on them and diesel prices are near what gasoline prices are. The is simply because a premium is paid for diesel power and it is steep enough for a ROI to be years or never. EV's or HEV's are similar. California power gets up to 20 cents a kilowatt or better. If you live in the valley your electric bill could get very pricy. For instance I can get a 13,500 Chevy Spark, vs. a Chevy Bolt priced at 36,000. Even with subsidies the Bolt is substantially more expensive than the Spark even though they are the same size and type vehicle, small subcompact hatchbacks.
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    Re: Electric Vehicle Sales Are Up in California, but there's a catch...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I’ve taken into account an especially long commute in my neck of the woods...80 miles...which the average EV these days can handle. Keep in mind that that’s an unusually long haul for a work-home commute. More typical long commutes are about 40 miles each way, which the average EV can handle without breaking a sweat.

    Personally, I have a commute of 10 miles, so that’s obviously a non-issue.

    Regardless, if your purpose is commuting and errands, an EV can do it for you.
    Whch is great if you have the luxury of two cars...one for convenience runs and one to handle a 'real' workload. I have motorcycles for my local travel. I have an abnormal commute to a fairly remote location.There are no charging stations there.

    I havent seen the EV yet that can pull my boat a few hundred miles and spend time in the mountains and make it back safely. Im not opposed to electric cars once they get all those things conquered...but until then...

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    Re: Electric Vehicle Sales Are Up in California, but there's a catch...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Whch is great if you have the luxury of two cars...one for convenience runs and one to handle a 'real' workload. I have motorcycles for my local travel. I have an abnormal commute to a fairly remote location.There are no charging stations there.

    I havent seen the EV yet that can pull my boat a few hundred miles and spend time in the mountains and make it back safely. Im not opposed to electric cars once they get all those things conquered...but until then...
    No car is all purpose. Even gas powered cars are made with different functions. My hybrid Prius *can* be used in the country, but obviously its primary function is a commute/city car. A pickup truck *can* be used for the city, but obviously its primary function is a haul/country vehicle ideal for larger, open spaces. Insisting that an EV be all things is placing a unique burden on it not placed on gas powered cars.

    Not all households have two cars, but if you do then itís perfectly reasonable and a good idea that one of them be an EV.

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    Re: Electric Vehicle Sales Are Up in California, but there's a catch...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Electric vehicle sales rise in California. It'''s mostly due to Tesla - Los Angeles Times





    Yup, so it seems if you take Tesla out of the equation, then electric car sales really arent what they are hyped up to be. And as the quotes suggests, people dont buy Tesla because they are EVs, but because they are fans of the company.

    Reality hurts.
    I don't understand. You sound like you are celebrating this. Why is this a good thing? Would you be sad if if EV sales were higher?

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