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California raises the caution flag on "green jobs"

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California raises the caution flag on ‘green jobs’ - POLITICO

California’s experience is that jobs have materialized, but that it's been more trouble than it's worth to count them in the aggregate. While "green jobs" were the common argot in 2009, when Obama's American Recovery and Reinvestment Act injected $790 billion into the economy, the term has fallen out of favor since — as has calculating its number.
The federal Bureau of Labor Statistics stopped tabulating green jobs in 2013, as did California’s Employment Development Department after it found "no discernible evidence that green firms were more likely to create jobs than non-green firms." A 2008 California law required the creation of a "green-collar jobs council" and annual reports to the legislature, but they dropped off in 2010.
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Yup, the so-called green revolution is nothing more than a costly smokescreen.
 
PoS said:
California raises the caution flag on ‘green jobs’ - POLITICO



Yup, the so-called green revolution is nothing more than a costly smokescreen.
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Sure, in the U.S. it's all about directing the funding to yourself and your allies by whatever means necessary. Everything else is secondary.

The whole "green" thing is an example, but so too are the Wars on Drugs and Terror, and the Cold War.

You could probably run it right back to 1776, with a bit of effort.
 
PoS said:
California raises the caution flag on ‘green jobs’ - POLITICO

Yup, the so-called green revolution is nothing more than a costly smokescreen.
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As usual, deniers do not read the very links that they spam. :lol:

The very phrase that you highlighted, "no discernible evidence that green firms were more likely to create jobs than non-green firms," does not mean that green jobs would employ fewer people than non-green ones would. :)

Also why are you taking California's government at their word? Aren't they a bunch of corrupt librul soshalist envirnmentulist big guv'mint fashusts? ;)
 
Phys251 said:
As usual, deniers do not read the very links that they spam. :lol:

The very phrase that you highlighted, "no discernible evidence that green firms were more likely to create jobs than non-green firms," does not mean that green jobs would employ fewer people than non-green ones would. :)

Also why are you taking California's government at their word? Aren't they a bunch of corrupt librul soshalist envirnmentulist big guv'mint fashusts? ;)
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If you had actually read the article it states that California was no longer able to hide the fact that their so-called green initiatives werent what they were advertised as- something that supposedly would create more jobs than the industry they were trying to "replace." The truth ultimately came out, and they could no longer hide it. So much for your side, eh?
 
California’s green-collar jobs council has since morphed into state training programs, which received $12 million in funding from Prop. 39 to train disadvantaged workers, including women, foster youth and formerly incarcerated people. The programs placed 1,721 people into jobs, out of 2,609 people trained.
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That doesn't sound so terrible. Maybe next time around they'll place two thousand for 2600 people trained.
 
PoS said:
If you had actually read the article it states that California was no longer able to hide the fact that their so-called green initiatives werent what they were advertised as- something that supposedly would create more jobs than the industry they were trying to "replace." The truth ultimately came out, and they could no longer hide it. So much for your side, eh?
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So what? Did they take into account that California already has a lot of green jobs? Did they account for market saturation for green jobs in Cali compared to dirtier states such as West Virginia? What about the particular industries in Cali?

Speaking of West Virginia, if there's any part of the country that should be all-in on the green economy, it's them. How's the coal industry working out for that lagging state? :lol:
 
Phys251 said:
So what? Did they take into account that California already has a lot of green jobs? Did they account for market saturation for green jobs in Cali compared to dirtier states such as West Virginia? What about the particular industries in Cali?

Speaking of West Virginia, if there's any part of the country that should be all-in on the green economy, it's them. How's the coal industry working out for that lagging state? :lol:
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Tell a coal miner who has been pounding rock all their lives that he can be trained to install solar panels. I'm sure they will be thrilled.
 
nitroexpress said:
Tell a coal miner who has been pounding rock all their lives that he can be trained to install solar panels. I'm sure they will be thrilled.
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If they're literally addicted to a dying industry then that's on them. :shrug: They're fools to keep voting for politicians that keep promising corporate welfare to a dying industry instead of investing in one that could restore Appalachia's economy to its former glory.
 
nitroexpress said:
Tell a coal miner who has been pounding rock all their lives that he can be trained to install solar panels. I'm sure they will be thrilled.
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If the coal miner still hasn't figured out that time it is, there is no saving him. He can join the buggy whip maker, soda jerk and harpoonist…. :roll:

Course if the eastern tunnel coal miner manages to survive 20 years of tunnel collapse he can look forward to a few retirement years coughing up a lung from the coal dust...

WINNING!!!!!!! :peace
 
Phys251 said:
So what? Did they take into account that California already has a lot of green jobs? Did they account for market saturation for green jobs in Cali compared to dirtier states such as West Virginia? What about the particular industries in Cali?

Speaking of West Virginia, if there's any part of the country that should be all-in on the green economy, it's them. How's the coal industry working out for that lagging state? :lol:
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Ah, now its moving the goalpost fallacy. Stick to the topic or start your own if you want to talk about WV.
 
PoS said:
Ah, now its moving the goalpost fallacy. Stick to the topic or start your own if you want to talk about WV.
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Did you think you could get away with your pathetic OP without a thorough analysis of it? That kind of behavior is very typical from deniers. They feel entitled to spew as many lies and distortions as they can, but the second anyone calls them on it, that person who is pointing out the truth is somehow the bad guy. Typical denialism. :lol:
 
Phys251 said:
Did you think you could get away with your pathetic OP without a thorough analysis of it? That kind of behavior is very typical from deniers. They feel entitled to spew as many lies and distortions as they can, but the second anyone calls them on it, that person who is pointing out the truth is somehow the bad guy. Typical denialism. :lol:
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LOL the day you make a thorough analysis of anything is the day Jesus comes back. The facts are that the so-called green industry isnt any different from non-green stuff, and the facts show it. The benefits are zip, and only lemmings fall for such stuff.
 
PoS said:
LOL the day you make a thorough analysis of anything is the day Jesus comes back.
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Right back at you! P.S. Jesus is fake ;)
 
Phys251 said:
Right back at you! P.S. Jesus is fake ;)
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Since you love to deflect, I'm going to stay on topic and see how long until you fold.

Cite a news link that proves green firms create more jobs than non-green ones. Go on.
 
PoS said:
Since you love to deflect, I'm going to stay on topic and see how long until you fold.

Cite a news link that proves green firms create more jobs than non-green ones. Go on.
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More dishonest strawmen from you. :lol: You posted the OP, the burden is on you to defend the claim. You deniers really don't know how burden of proof works. ;)
 
Phys251 said:
More dishonest strawmen from you. :lol: You posted the OP, the burden is on you to defend the claim. You deniers really don't know how burden of proof works. ;)
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As expected, you have nothing. Im glad people who read this can see just how empty your arguments truly are.
 
PoS said:
As expected, you have nothing. Im glad people who read this can see just how empty your arguments truly are.
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Right back at you! :thumbs:
 
PoS said:
The facts are in the OP. You on the other hand.. have nothing.
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Which you failed to properly interpret, as I clearly pointed out. You probably lack the ability to know how a statistical hypothesis test works.
 
Phys251 said:
Which you failed to properly interpret, as I clearly pointed out. You probably lack the ability to know how a statistical hypothesis test works.
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The quote is right there in the OP: no evidence that green tech companies create more jobs than none green tech firms. Its obvious you didnt even bother to read it, because you just keep embarrassing yourself. Good job! :lamo
 
PoS said:
The quote is right there in the OP: no evidence that green tech companies create more jobs than none green tech firms. Its obvious you didnt even bother to read it, because you just keep embarrassing yourself. Good job! :lamo
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When you're ready to address the words of mine that are on your screen instead of the ones that are in your head, feel free to let me know. I'll be waiting. :)
 
Phys251 said:
As usual, deniers do not read the very links that they spam. :lol:

The very phrase that you highlighted, "no discernible evidence that green firms were more likely to create jobs than non-green firms," does not mean that green jobs would employ fewer people than non-green ones would. :)

Also why are you taking California's government at their word? Aren't they a bunch of corrupt librul soshalist envirnmentulist big guv'mint fashusts? ;)
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You spelt "gubmint" rawng.
 
notquiteright said:
If the coal miner still hasn't figured out that time it is, there is no saving him. He can join the buggy whip maker, soda jerk and harpoonist…. :roll:

Course if the eastern tunnel coal miner manages to survive 20 years of tunnel collapse he can look forward to a few retirement years coughing up a lung from the coal dust...

WINNING!!!!!!! :peace
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"...harpoonist.."

There's always Japan.
 
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