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Global Warming and Hurricanes

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On August 15 the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) issued a summary report, “Global Warming and Hurricanes: An Overview of Current Research Results”.

In short, they found no significant upward trend in storm numbers or severity from 1887 to 2006.

We find that, after adjusting for such an estimated number of missing storms, there remains just a small nominally positive upward trend in tropical storm occurrence from 1878-2006. Statistical tests indicate that this trend is not significantly distinguishable from zero [bold emphasis in original].

“The evidence for an upward trend is even weaker if we look at U.S. landfalling hurricanes, which even show a slight negative trend beginning from 1900 or from the late 1800s. . . In short, the historical Atlantic hurricane frequency record does not provide compelling evidence for a substantial greenhouse warming-induced long-term increase” [again, bold emphasis in original].

This doesn't keep them from using computer models to predict that storms will increase in the future.

Major hurricanes happen when they happen. The storm of 1900 that wiped out Galveston Island with the loss of thousands of lives, Hurricane Carla, a category 4 storm with winds up to 170 mph prompted the largest peacetime evacuation in history in 1961 close to the same area. There is a chance that such storms will occur in any given year. So far the probability of that happening has not increased despite assurances that we are in the grips of anthropogenic global warming.

Get Ready for a Hurricane of Nonsense | Power Line
 
AOC has determined that cow farts are the cause for all hurricanes. She suggests mandating Impossible Burgers.
 

Figure: Global Hurricane Frequency (all & major) -- 12-month running sums. The top time series is the number of global tropical cyclones that reached at least hurricane-force (maximum lifetime wind speed exceeds 64-knots). The bottom time series is the number of global tropical cyclones that reached major hurricane strength (96-knots+). Adapted from Maue (2011) GRL.

 

Figure: Last 4-decades of Global Tropical Storm and Hurricane frequency -- 12-month running sums. The top time series is the number of TCs that reach at least tropical storm strength (maximum lifetime wind speed exceeds 34-knots). The bottom time series is the number of hurricane strength (64-knots+) TCs.

 
Figure: Last 4-decades of Global Tropical Storm and Hurricane Accumulated Cyclone Energy -- Annual totals. The Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone season occurs from July-June each calendar year. The graph is constructed such that SH annual value for July 2014 - July 2015 is positioned in 2015.
 
On August 15 the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) issued a summary report, “Global Warming and Hurricanes: An Overview of Current Research Results”.

In short, they found no significant upward trend in storm numbers or severity from 1887 to 2006.



This doesn't keep them from using computer models to predict that storms will increase in the future.

Major hurricanes happen when they happen. The storm of 1900 that wiped out Galveston Island with the loss of thousands of lives, Hurricane Carla, a category 4 storm with winds up to 170 mph prompted the largest peacetime evacuation in history in 1961 close to the same area. There is a chance that such storms will occur in any given year. So far the probability of that happening has not increased despite assurances that we are in the grips of anthropogenic global warming.

Get Ready for a Hurricane of Nonsense | Power Line

Galveston was a bunch of tragic errors. The National Weather Service had predicted it would turn north at Florida so people didn't evacuate. It was just a really bad place for a storm to come in. A lot of people died during the eye trying to rescue other people.

One data point--even hurricane frequency--doesn't prove or disprove climate change.
 
On August 15 the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) issued a summary report, “Global Warming and Hurricanes: An Overview of Current Research Results”.

In short, they found no significant upward trend in storm numbers or severity from 1887 to 2006.



This doesn't keep them from using computer models to predict that storms will increase in the future.

Major hurricanes happen when they happen. The storm of 1900 that wiped out Galveston Island with the loss of thousands of lives, Hurricane Carla, a category 4 storm with winds up to 170 mph prompted the largest peacetime evacuation in history in 1961 close to the same area. There is a chance that such storms will occur in any given year. So far the probability of that happening has not increased despite assurances that we are in the grips of anthropogenic global warming.

Get Ready for a Hurricane of Nonsense | Power Line

Current trends are not that important. We are in the early years of the effects of climate change. At today increased temperatures, the atmosphere can hold about 7% more water, which could lead to more flooding from hurricanes. In about 10 years, that 7% will be 15%. After 20 years, 30%. That's the big picture.

Warmer oceans can also increase the likelihood of hurricanes in the future.
 
Current trends are not that important. We are in the early years of the effects of climate change. At today increased temperatures, the atmosphere can hold about 7% more water, which could lead to more flooding from hurricanes. In about 10 years, that 7% will be 15%. After 20 years, 30%. That's the big picture.

Warmer oceans can also increase the likelihood of hurricanes in the future.

As far as I'm aware, the jury is still out on the question of whether hurricanes will become more frequent or not. It's not obvious that that will be the case. There does seem to be more indication that they will become more powerful though, presumably for the reason you state.
 
Current trends are not that important. We are in the early years of the effects of climate change. At today increased temperatures, the atmosphere can hold about 7% more water, which could lead to more flooding from hurricanes. In about 10 years, that 7% will be 15%. After 20 years, 30%. That's the big picture.

Warmer oceans can also increase the likelihood of hurricanes in the future.

Nope. Global atmospheric humidity is going down. Yet another failure of the climate models.

Also, humidity isn't the only factor in storm formation. The same forces that might increase humidity would change other things, like wind shear. Too much wind shear and the storms won't form.
 
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As far as I'm aware, the jury is still out on the question of whether hurricanes will become more frequent or not. It's not obvious that that will be the case. There does seem to be more indication that they will become more powerful though, presumably for the reason you state.

So tell us then, what sort of apocalyptic catastrophe is to befall the world since you and Greta Thundberg are saying that something must be done now?
 
So tell us then, what sort of apocalyptic catastrophe is to befall the world since you and Greta Thundberg are saying that something must be done now?

You seem unfamiliar with the consequences of climate change.

Odd, as it’s very clearly laid out in the IPCC.
 
Nope. Global atmospheric humidity is going down. Yet another failure of the climate models.

Also, humidity isn't the only factor in storm formation. The same forces that might increase humidity would change other things, like wind shear. Too much wind shear and the storms won't form.

Rainfall is actually the weather phenomenon of releasing humidity from the atmosphere. It is a complex science that is being studied more and more.

First Global Rainfall, Snowfall Map from New Mission | NASA

If atmospheric humidity is down, this doesn't bode well for Deniers. That would mean that temperatures are way up, while water vapor, a greenhouse gas, is down. That implies that CO2 and methane are playing an even greater role. There is also evidence that droughts are getting worse worldwide. If overall humidity is down, because arid areas are dryer, and experiencing more drought, that doesn't bode well for the world at large. This will play out more in the future. As for hurricanes, as the world gets more and more into the effects of climate change, we'll see how warmer oceans affect the intensity. And it is scientific fact that warmer air can absorb more water, and eventually that water drops out of the sky, in the form of rainfall.
 
You seem unfamiliar with the consequences of climate change.

Odd, as it’s very clearly laid out in the IPCC.

Spare me the lies and show me some facts for once in your life.
 
You seem unfamiliar with the consequences of climate change.

Odd, as it’s very clearly laid out in the IPCC.

It's clear that none of you have ever read the IPCC report.
 
Rainfall is actually the weather phenomenon of releasing humidity from the atmosphere. It is a complex science that is being studied more and more.

First Global Rainfall, Snowfall Map from New Mission | NASA

If atmospheric humidity is down, this doesn't bode well for Deniers. That would mean that temperatures are way up, while water vapor, a greenhouse gas, is down. That implies that CO2 and methane are playing an even greater role. There is also evidence that droughts are getting worse worldwide. If overall humidity is down, because arid areas are dryer, and experiencing more drought, that doesn't bode well for the world at large. This will play out more in the future. As for hurricanes, as the world gets more and more into the effects of climate change, we'll see how warmer oceans affect the intensity. And it is scientific fact that warmer air can absorb more water, and eventually that water drops out of the sky, in the form of rainfall.

Temperatures are measured independently from humidity, and global temperatures haven't increased significantly for nearly 20 years.
 
Spare me the lies and show me some facts for once in your life.

It’s quite clear if you read it. There is literally an entire working group on impacts.

You’d know this if you spent time reading it.

I see no reason to spoon feed you something so basic.
 
On August 15 the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) issued a summary report, “Global Warming and Hurricanes: An Overview of Current Research Results”.

In short, they found no significant upward trend in storm numbers or severity from 1887 to 2006.



This doesn't keep them from using computer models to predict that storms will increase in the future.

Major hurricanes happen when they happen. The storm of 1900 that wiped out Galveston Island with the loss of thousands of lives, Hurricane Carla, a category 4 storm with winds up to 170 mph prompted the largest peacetime evacuation in history in 1961 close to the same area. There is a chance that such storms will occur in any given year. So far the probability of that happening has not increased despite assurances that we are in the grips of anthropogenic global warming.

Get Ready for a Hurricane of Nonsense | Power Line



“they found no significant upward trend in storm numbers or severity from 1887 to 2006.”

Oh, but they did. What “they” said in the report was:

“Existing records of past Atlantic tropical storm or hurricane numbers (1878 to present) in fact do show a pronounced upward trend, which is also correlated with rising SSTs (Sea Surface Temperatures)”

They then thought that since there were fewer ship crossings in earlier decades than now, they must have missed more ship reports of hurricanes back then than now. So, they made some type of adjustment, assumedly the same ratio as of ship crossings now to back then, applied to the previous period of time storms and compared those numbers. That makes sense to me, but I don’t know how scientific that actually is. It’s not been peer-reviewed.

“Major hurricanes happen when they happen. The storm of 1900 that wiped out Galveston Island with the loss of thousands of lives, Hurricane Carla, a category 4 storm with winds up to 170 mph prompted the largest peacetime evacuation in history in 1961 close to the same area. There is a chance that such storms will occur in any given year. So far the probability of that happening has not increased despite assurances that we are in the grips of anthropogenic global warming.”

Yet the report states, as cited in the article you linked:

“A review of existing studies, including the ones cited above, lead us to conclude that: it is likely that greenhouse warming will cause hurricanes in the coming century to be more intense globally and have higher rainfall rates than present-day hurricanes.”

By the evidence you, yourself, provided, your claim is thus refuted.

Also, based on the same report excerpt, it should be noted that damage from flooding due to hurricanes, and other water-cycle related flooding, is becoming a greater factor than before. Though not mentioned in the report, that I noticed, it is not just the rainfall rate, but that the storms are moving slower and thus sit over an area for a longer period of time.

Another point made in the report:

Item 2, Sec. F., last sentence

“…a strong body of scientific evidence that most of the global warming observed over the past half century is very likely due to human-caused greenhouse gas emissions.”

This statement is consistent with existing peer-reviewed reports and scientific consensus. What will be interesting is how this rather mixed NOAA report is received to do with its own independent indications.

I am most interested in peer review of and comment on this report in whole and this particular statement. Reason being, the period does not include the last 13 years when hurricane frequency and increased number of severe storms continued at a high rate, which would lend more to modeling future estimates and probably have assigned a higher weight to the more recent storms, at a guess. And, the fact is, the raw data shows that there is a marked increase in frequency of hurricanes and Cat5 severity as GW increases as does greenhouse gases. The NOAA report uses downscaling methods derived from reports not accepted by scientific consensus to make some of these stats seem less significant.
 
Temperatures are measured independently from humidity, and global temperatures haven't increased significantly for nearly 20 years.

This isn't FAKE NEWS. It's blatantly LYING NEWS.

2018GlobalTempReview_10_Warmest_years.jpg
 
It’s quite clear if you read it. There is literally an entire working group on impacts.

You’d know this if you spent time reading it.

I see no reason to spoon feed you something so basic.

The IPCC says nothing but lies. Try again.
 
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