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[W:109]Climate deniers go after AOC, Greta Thunberg with sexist attacks

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GreatNews2night said:
Why do glaciers matter? - Extreme Ice Survey

Something tells me that you're being a bit selfish. Sure, it might help the agriculture of your state, but it will adversely impact on billions of people elsewhere.

So, yeah, it seems like it is a bad thing, and I'm not as ignorant as you want to imply.
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I certainly don't dispute that glaciers are indicators of climate changes, but they always represent the past. It is the snowfields that form in the mountain ranges that determine whether glaciers advance or retreat. If there is an abundance of snow that continually feeds the snow fields, then glaciers will advance. When that snow becomes insufficient to feed the advancing glacier the glacier begins to retreat. Depending on the length of the glacier it can be a several hundred to several thousand year delay between what happens in the snowfield and what happens at the face of the glacier.

Which means that even if everything where to suddenly change today, those glaciers would continue to retreat for several hundred to several thousand more years before beginning their advance once again. And you had better hope the overwhelming majority of the world's glaciers do not start advancing again, because then it really will be a bad thing.

Right now, the warmer it gets the better it is for everything living in Alaska.
 
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Glitch said:
I certainly don't dispute that glaciers are indicators of climate changes, but they always represent the past. It is the snowfields that form in the mountain ranges that determine whether glaciers advance or retreat. If there is an abundance of snow that continually feeds the snow fields, then glaciers will advance. When that snow becomes insufficient to feed the advancing glacier the glacier begins to retreat. Depending on the length of the glacier it can be a several hundred to several thousand year delay between what happens in the snowfield and what happens at the face of the glacier.

Which means that even if everything where to suddenly change today, those glaciers would continue to retreat for several hundred to several thousand more years before beginning their advance once again. And you had better hope the overwhelming majority of the world's glaciers to not start advancing again, because then it really will be a bad thing.

Right now, the warmer it gets the better it is for everything living in Alaska.
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Yes, I've learned about that already, thank you.

Your last phrase confirms what I was saying. It's certainly good for Alaska, and bad for everybody else. But since you are from Alaska, it seems like you adopt the local view.

Also, according to NASA, the ice loss is *accelerating.* That's not the gradual change from the end of the Ice Age you're referring to. See the edits I made to the post you've just responded to.
 
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GreatNews2night said:
Yes, I've learned about that already, thank you.

Your last phrase confirms what I was saying. It's certainly good for Alaska, and bad for everybody else. But since you are from Alaska, it seems like you adopt the local view.

Also, according to NASA, the ice loss is *accelerating.* That's not the gradual change from the end of the Ice Age you're referring to. See the edits I made to the post you've just responded to.
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How is it bad for anyone? You've never explained that part.

It tickles me to death that the ice loss is accelerating. That means we don't have to worry about this interglacial period ending anytime in the near future. The change from the end of the Younger Dryas 11,700 years ago was hardly gradual. It just appears to be gradual when you get this far north because it is much slower to change. In the span of 3,700 years Earth's oceans increased by more than 60 meters, or an annual increase of 16.22mm. Compared to today's global average increase of 1.7mm

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The changes we are experiencing are extremely mild in comparison to what has already occurred. Even the current interglacial period has been the coldest of the last four interglacial periods. So hopefully there is room for improvement.
 

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GreatNews2night said:
I visited the majestic glaciers, some of the most beautiful and pristine natural landscapes I've ever seen, and I was in awe of that ecosystem (and yes, I saw whales; they are cool, and impressive).
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I would just like to point out that the reason you saw those whales is because you came to Alaska during the Summer, when the ocean is ice-free. Whales can't breathe if the surface of the ocean is frozen. Being relatively intelligent animals the whales comprehend this reality and only visit Alaskan waters when they are relatively ice-free.
 
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Glitch said:
How is it bad for anyone? You've never explained that part.

It tickles me to death that the ice loss is accelerating. That means we don't have to worry about this interglacial period ending anytime in the near future. The change from the end of the Younger Dryas 11,700 years ago was hardly gradual. It just appears to be gradual when you get this far north because it is much slower to change. In the span of 3,700 years Earth's oceans increased by more than 60 meters, or an annual increase of 16.22mm. Compared to today's global average increase of 1.7mm

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The changes we are experiencing are extremely mild in comparison to what has already occurred. Even the current interglacial period has been the coldest of the last four interglacial periods. So hopefully there is room for improvement.
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Yes, I have explained why it's bad for everybody else. Here, copied and pasted from one of my posts above:

rising sea levels will be a critical issue in many other parts of the planet, adversely affecting billions of people in India, Bangladesh and China as well as along the U.S. Gulf and Northwest coasts.
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So, billions of people, versus 710,249 people, the population of Alaska, seems like a net loss for the people of this planet, right?

And see, if Alaska's non-permafrost area expands, bringing up more arable lands, it will be great for the agriculture in Alaska, sure... but the effects of global warming elsewhere will actually be very bad for many other agricultural areas, with desertification, droughts and floods, and problems for many crops that can't stand the higher temperatures. Look at the HUGE impact here:

Climate Impacts on Agriculture and Food Supply | Climate Change Impacts | US EPA

So, again, you're thinking local... which is understandable since you live in Alaska.

Some examples:

More extreme temperature and precipitation can prevent crops from growing. Extreme events, especially floods and droughts, can harm crops and reduce yields. For example, in 2010 and 2012, high nighttime temperatures affected corn yields across the U.S. Corn Belt, and premature budding due to a warm winter caused $220 million in losses of Michigan cherries in 2012.
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Many weeds, pests, and fungi thrive under warmer temperatures, wetter climates, and increased CO2 levels. Currently, U.S. farmers spend more than $11 billion per year to fight weeds, which compete with crops for light, water, and nutrients.[1] The ranges and distribution of weeds and pests are likely to increase with climate change. This could cause new problems for farmers' crops previously unexposed to these species.
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Heat waves, which are projected to increase under climate change, could directly threaten livestock. In 2011, exposure to high temperature events caused over $1 billion in heat-related losses to agricultural producers.[1] Heat stress affects animals both directly and indirectly. Over time, heat stress can increase vulnerability to disease, reduce fertility, and reduce milk production.
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Well, I don't live in Alaska, so I'm thinking more globally.

It seems like the gains in Alaska from warmer climates will be offset by much bigger losses elsewhere in the United States, not to forget the rest of the world.

Even salmon, a staple of Alaska's economy, may be affected:

Some marine disease outbreaks have been linked with changing climate. Higher water temperatures and higher estuarine salinities have enabled an oyster parasite to spread farther north along the Atlantic coast. Winter warming in the Arctic is contributing to salmon diseases in the Bering Sea and a resulting reduction in the Yukon Chinook Salmon, Finally, warmer temperatures have caused disease outbreaks in coral, eelgrass, and abalone.
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[FONT=&quot]warmer water temperatures may affect the lifecycle of salmon and increase the likelihood of disease. Combined with other climate impacts, these effects are projected to lead to large declines in salmon populations.[/FONT]
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Beware of what you're asking for.
 
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Glitch said:
I would just like to point out that the reason you saw those whales is because you came to Alaska during the Summer, when the ocean is ice-free. Whales can't breathe if the surface of the ocean is frozen. Being relatively intelligent animals the whales comprehend this reality and only visit Alaskan waters when they are relatively ice-free.
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Yes, I was told that the whales go elsewhere when winter hits. But my point was just to explain how my "f... the whales" mantra has changed. And yes, being these majestic animals very much intelligent, it is kind of gross that you guys harvest them for food, no? Sure, I'm not the kind of tree-huger who keeps screaming "save the dolphins!" but I was reading a book on animal intelligence a few months ago, and it's speculated that the only reason why the dolphins don't have a technological civilization is because they lack arms and fingers to manipulate the environment... but otherwise, they are quite intelligent, being among the most intelligent beings on Earth, not too far from primates. So, I feel that it is kind of gross to kill them for sport like it's done in Japan. Similarly, some subspecies of whales are almost as intelligent as dolphins. Maybe we humans should respect them a bit more.

Not to forget, they are really beautiful and impressive. I went into one of the excursions, and we were shown bald eagles (including two beautiful juveniles) in the wild, and whales. Magnificent animals! I guess this non-tree-huger grew a bit of appreciation for nature.

Alaska is gorgeous. Congratulations for living in such a spectacular place. Please, don't spoil it.
 
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Glitch said:
I would just like to point out that the reason you saw those whales is because you came to Alaska during the Summer, when the ocean is ice-free. Whales can't breathe if the surface of the ocean is frozen. Being relatively intelligent animals the whales comprehend this reality and only visit Alaskan waters when they are relatively ice-free.
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By the way, regarding your avatar, I'm thankful that my nature excursions didn't include bears. I'm aware that most bears in the area of Alaska that I visited are black bears, who aren't as aggressive as grizzly bears, the one in your avatar, but I don't want to have anything to do with bears.

I saw a funny T-shirt with these words:

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. But don't mess with bears. Bears will kill you." LOL
 
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GreatNews2night said:
Yes, I was told that the whales go elsewhere when winter hits. But my point was just to explain how my "f... the whales" mantra has changed. And yes, being these majestic animals very much intelligent, it is kind of gross that you guys harvest them for food, no? Sure, I'm not the kind of tree-huger who keeps screaming "save the dolphins!" but I was reading a book on animal intelligence a few months ago, and it's speculated that the only reason why the dolphins don't have a technological civilization is because they lack arms and fingers to manipulate the environment... but otherwise, they are quite intelligent, being among the most intelligent beings on Earth, not too far from primates. So, I feel that it is kind of gross to kill them for sport like it's done in Japan. Similarly, some subspecies of whales are almost as intelligent as dolphins. Maybe we humans should respect them a bit more.

Not to forget, they are really beautiful and impressive. I went into one of the excursions, and we were shown bald eagles (including two beautiful juveniles) in the wild, and whales. Magnificent animals! I guess this non-tree-huger grew a bit of appreciation for nature.

Alaska is gorgeous. Congratulations for living in such a spectacular place. Please, don't spoil it.
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I found my appreciation for whales varied, depending on distance. When they were completely out of sight, I still enjoyed the flavor and texture of the meat. I can't really say I'm a fan of Muktuk, which is typically served frozen with a hot tea, but I think it is an acquired taste. When I viewed them from shore from a distance I was very impressed. However, when 50 foot humpbacks came swimming along side our 28 foot boat, I became extremely nervous and looking around for the nearest life boat. One flip of that tail and we would be swimming in waters that will kill us in about 20 minutes.

Dolphins, like humans, are also not on the top of the food chain in the sea. Unlike humans, who developed tools to defend themselves and eventually became the top predator, dolphins are still prey to killer whales. I think there is a lot about mammal and fish intelligence we still don't understand. We recently discovered a species of fish that uses tools, which changes everything we use to think about intelligence.

I hunt and fish, but only for food. The very first rule my father taught me about hunting was, "you kill it, you eat it." That was 57 years ago, and I still live by that rule. Alaska law also supports this philosophy. All game meat must be salvaged by law. You are not required to keep the meat. You can give it away, but you can't sell it. It doesn't matter if they are hunting for sport or not.

Moose season just ended two days ago. I didn't go this year, but I'm hoping a couple of my friends will remember me. Alaskan moose are very big. They can stand 7 feet tall at the shoulder and weigh 1,400 pounds. You also can't waste any time dressing them in the field. You have about an hour before the other predators start showing up. Alaska law prohibits defending your kill. Which means you have to be very quick, or do what a lot of Alaskans do and that is use an off-road big rig to haul the entire moose out of the field in one piece.

Alaska is gorgeous, and I never get tired of the view. Autumn in particular is the prettiest season of the year, with Winter being the second prettiest. I not into Winter sports, other than hunting, but I love Alaskan Winters. Mainly because the 1.5 million tourists that visit Alaska every Summer aren't here during the Winter. But we truly do appreciate your contribution to our economy. :mrgreen:
 
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GreatNews2night said:
By the way, regarding your avatar, I'm thankful that my nature excursions didn't include bears. I'm aware that most bears in the area of Alaska that I visited are black bears, who aren't as aggressive as grizzly bears, the one in your avatar, but I don't want to have anything to do with bears.

I saw a funny T-shirt with these words:

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. But don't mess with bears. Bears will kill you." LOL
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I love bears. They are very much like dogs in their demeanor. They have a great sense of humor and love to play, even as adults. However, I prefer to observe them from a safe distance. The majority are black bears and they are much smaller, usually under 250 pounds. All brown bears and grizzly bears are the same species. The difference is their diet. Brown bears are coastal bears and survive primarily on salmon. Which is why they grow 50% bigger than inland grizzly bears that do not consume salmon as part of their diet.

I carry a few firecrackers in my tackle box when I go fishing, and that is typically enough to keep them away. However, I am well armed should it ever become necessary. In the 28 years I've lived in Alaska it never has become necessary, and I truly hope that stays the case. The trick is to be aware of your surroundings. The overwhelming majority of people who are mauled by bears surprise the bear. If you are walking against the wind, then look for sign whether or not a bear has been in the area recently and make a little noise. If you are walking with the wind, then the odds are the bear has detected your presence long before you arrive.

People think it is okay to take their mountain bike through the forests, and that may work great in the lower-48. But in Alaska there are predators who chase prey in order to survive, and riding a mountain bike is not paying attention to one's surroundings. It never fails though, there is some bicyclist mauled by bear almost every year in Alaska.
 
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Glitch said:
I love bears. The overwhelming majority of people who are mauled by bears surprise the bear.
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Yes, it's the Darwin Award thing. If people are stupid enough to enter bear territory while being oblivious to the fact that they are powerful wild animals, and bump into bears especially when they have cubs they want to protect, yep, they'll be mauled, and one is tempted to say that it's deserved. Removing these idiots from the human gene pool is beneficial to the species.

Even though my wife and I didn't go to one of the tours that advertised that they'd show bears to the tourists, we did go in hikes so an encounter with a bear wasn't excluded, and I made a point of reading a lot about bears and how to behave if one is in the vicinity (as well as the behavior differences between black bears and brown/grizzly bears, and how to recognize them, color not always being reliable). Make noise so that you don't surprise the bear... give the bear as much distance as possible... walk away slowly... and so on. We didn't have firecrackers, and we didn't have bear spray... and no weapons. So there was some danger. But fortunately we didn't see any. We saw a porcupine, haha. From a safe distance, thankfully; these can also be dangerous; not life-threatening, but painful.

I think the most beautiful thing we saw were the two juvenile eagles. When they are young they don't have the white head... but they are gorgeous. Such beautiful birds! We saw these two from a very short distance, on an abandoned barge that our boat circled from 10 feet, and they kept studying us, looking at us, very fierce and proud and unafraid... and then they slowly opened their wings with a huge span, and flew away timidly (the guide explained that at that age, they were just learning to fly). Two adult eagles were in the vicinity, perched on trees. They observed the scene but did nothing.

We saw several eagles, in flight or on trees. We saw nests. I loved the totems, too. We saw beautiful waterfalls, gorgeous lakes, the White Pass railroad, but the part I liked best was Glacier Bay, which is in my opinion tied with Santorini (Greece) and Cappadocia (Turkey) as the three most beautiful places I've seen in my travels (it's hard for me to rank them 1-2-3, they are very different, but each is great). The Iguaçu Falls in the border between Brazil and Argentina is likely to be in fourth place. I'd say the Amalfi Coast (Italy) is fifth, to round up the top five beautiful places I've visited. I haven't been to New Zealand or China, and I'm aware that these two countries have stunning natural beauties too.

Glacier Bay, Santorini, Cappadocia... magical places. I'm talking about nature, mountains, scenery... if we talk about urban places then there are other spectacular cities I've visited too. I'd quote Rio de Janeiro (Brazil), Venice (Italy), Bruges (Belgium), Istanbul (Turkey), and Prague (Czech Republic) as the top five beautiful cities that I've visited. Of course Paris, Rome, Florence, London, Vienna, Berlin, Budapest, etc., are also very amazing cities and they all have their share of beautiful places, but I still prefer the five I've quoted, in terms of urban beauty. There are some smaller cities that I also like, such as Salzburg or Aix-en-Provence or Heidelberg or Luxembourg City or San Marino or Monaco or Siena or Evora that are also super beautiful.

The cities I have never visited and seem to be gorgeous too, are St. Peterburg, Moscow, Dubrovnik, Sydney, and while Auckland supposedly is not particularly beautiful, the rest of New Zealand must be spectacular. I would also like to visit some parts of China but not necessarily the large cities such as Beijing or Shanghai, which apparently have heavy air pollution and are too chaotic. In China I'd like to visit the scenic places like the Zhangjiajie National Forest.

I want to plan my next travels in the next five years (once a year) to first, Moscow and St. Petersburg (I'm thinking of the river cruise that goes from one to the other), then Croatia and Montenegro, then China and Singapore, then Australia and New Zealand. The fifth year, I'd visit Puglia, Calabria, and Sicilia, the only three parts of Italy that I have never visited (I know that country very well, and I've visited every other part of it; I'm actually a citizen of Italy as well (I have dual citizenship American and Italian, due to the fact that my father was Italian).
 
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Oh well, our conversation certainly went waaaaaay off-topic.

Or not. We have established that we have a wonderful planet, and I think we need to take good care of it.
 
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Threegoofs said:
No.

But here is Greta’s direct response.

Even after clarifying this, the irrational old men continue to slander her. Sad.

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She's just making excuses after the fact she made such a stupid statement.
 
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GreatNews2night said:
Yes, it's the Darwin Award thing. If people are stupid enough to enter bear territory while being oblivious to the fact that they are powerful wild animals, and bump into bears especially when they have cubs they want to protect, yep, they'll be mauled, and one is tempted to say that it's deserved. Removing these idiots from the human gene pool is beneficial to the species.
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Which is why whenever there is a problem with wildlife in Alaska, we relocate the tourist causing the problem. :mrgreen:

GreatNews2night said:
I think the most beautiful thing we saw were the two juvenile eagles.
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Eagles and ravens are just about the only birds we get during the Winter months. I hunt ptarmigan and grouse during the Winter, but they are not easy to find.

GreatNews2night said:
Glacier Bay, Santorini, Cappadocia... magical places.
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Yet you have only seen a tiny piece of Alaska, just the panhandle. There are many such magical places in Alaska, from the Kenai Fjords, Denali, the Arctic Circle and the Brooks Range, to the world's largest National Park that nobody has ever heard of, the Wragnell-St. Elias National Park. They all have fantastic scenery. Alaska is so huge that it is like traveling around Europe. You need several months to see it all.

There are other aspects of Alaska that are not so pleasant, like our frequent earthquakes and active volcanoes. In the last 5 years there have been just over 150,000 earthquakes, or an average of 82 per day. That includes 31 earthquakes greater than magnitude 6.0 and 4 earthquakes greater than magnitude 7.0. In the 28 years I've lived in Alaska I've been dumped on by two erupting volcanoes (Mt. Redoubt & Mt. Spurr) and experienced two large earthquakes above magnitude 7.0 in close proximity. I don't mind the earthquakes so much, but I can do without the erupting volcanoes.

It is a very beautiful State, but there are consequences for being geologically new.
 
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Phys251 said:
Misogyny, meet hypocrisy: Climate deniers go after AOC, Greta Thunberg with sexist attacks | Salon.com





It's bad enough to make misogynist attacks on a congresswoman for her stance on climate change. But to go after a sixteen-year-old girl this way is disgusting. Who's being the child here? The manbabies, that's who. They need to get back in their lane and shove their worthless opinions where the sun doesn't shine.
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Typical technique of the left. Play the PC victim when your ideas are attacked. These Marxists and their props like Cortez, Hogg, and this little girl make me sick
 
How much is Soros paying Salon for this Marxist drivel?
 
Mashmont said:
Typical technique of the left. Play the PC victim when your ideas are attacked. These Marxists and their props like Cortez, Hogg, and this little girl make me sick
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Typical technique of the right that was described precisely by the OP. Thank you for making its point. :thumbs:
 
Threegoofs said:
Thunberg was quite clear it was s metaphor.

But you don’t want to accept that because trashing little girls is a righteous thing to do.
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So much angst here over a young girl who has the temerity to demand a clean world to grow up in.
 
 
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Glitch said:
Which is why whenever there is a problem with wildlife in Alaska, we relocate the tourist causing the problem. :mrgreen:

Eagles and ravens are just about the only birds we get during the Winter months. I hunt ptarmigan and grouse during the Winter, but they are not easy to find.

Yet you have only seen a tiny piece of Alaska, just the panhandle. There are many such magical places in Alaska, from the Kenai Fjords, Denali, the Arctic Circle and the Brooks Range, to the world's largest National Park that nobody has ever heard of, the Wragnell-St. Elias National Park. They all have fantastic scenery. Alaska is so huge that it is like traveling around Europe. You need several months to see it all.

There are other aspects of Alaska that are not so pleasant, like our frequent earthquakes and active volcanoes. In the last 5 years there have been just over 150,000 earthquakes, or an average of 82 per day. That includes 31 earthquakes greater than magnitude 6.0 and 4 earthquakes greater than magnitude 7.0. In the 28 years I've lived in Alaska I've been dumped on by two erupting volcanoes (Mt. Redoubt & Mt. Spurr) and experienced two large earthquakes above magnitude 7.0 in close proximity. I don't mind the earthquakes so much, but I can do without the erupting volcanoes.

It is a very beautiful State, but there are consequences for being geologically new.
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I guess you relocate the the biggest imbeciles among the tourists... to the grave. LOL. Or the bears do it for you.

Interesting talk... but I'm a city dweller. Like my "f... the whales" jab, I used to say that "the outdoors are vastly over-rated." Yes, because the indoors have controlled and ideal conditions of temperature and pressure, no rain, no humidity, no UVAs and UVBs, no insects and spiders, no snakes, no bears and mountain lions, no crocodiles, no rocks to trip and fall, and so on... The predators are kept outside. The human species is thriving because we built our nice protected habitats to keep all the dangerous stuff out. LOL.

So, I used to say, you like the outdoors? Get a 70-inch 4K HD TV on a wall and put it on a loop playing high-def National Geographic documentaries, or screen savers with creeks and mountains and rivers and seas etc.; it's the best of two worlds; the beauty of the outdoors seen from the comfort and safety of the indoors...

I hear you, Alaska is beautiful... but I kind of liked the experience of touring it from the extreme comfort of my cruise ship and its gorgeous observation lounge with huge floor-to-high-ceiling glass windows, perfectly fine-tuned AC, and a nice bar right then and there with fine wine, spirits, and cocktails, plus delicious finger food.

So, active volcanoes, and earthquakes? Sir, thanks, but no thanks!

But OK, even someone like me did acknowledge that Alaska is in a different category as far as the outdoors are concerned. My wife went on an 8-mile each leg, 9-hour hike through rough terrain to the top of a glacier, with special shoes to walk on the glacier (it ended up taking 10 and a half hours, she got back to the ship exhausted). I chickened out, and went instead to a railroad excursion with nice beer and food. I did go with her to a much more modest 5-mile round trip hike through mild terrain to some water falls and a smaller glacier. I confess that I wasn't entirely happy with being outdoors... And was happy when we went back to the ship. My wife found the 5-mile hike too easy. But then, she's done much more extreme ones like the Peruvian Machu Picchu trail. Again, I chickened out, and went instead to a gourmet trip to Michelin-starred restaurants in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, while she was in Peru.

Usually we have vacations together... but when she starts with the extreme hikes stuff, I go to my nice gourmet indoor places, instead, hehe.

Anyway, I am in awe of Alaska and would consider a return trip to explore other areas of the state. Nature there is so gorgeous that even I will want to be outdoors.
 
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As observed before, AOC's most effective opponents are fact checkers.


Democrat On AOC Fracking Claim: ‘We Do Ourselves No Favors When We Ignore Science’

From The Daily Caller Jason Hopkins Immigration and politics reporter September 23, 2019 8:35 PM ET Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez visited a “fracking” site in Colorado, and tweeted out a video that purported to show it was releasing toxic emissions. However, several hydraulic fracturing experts noted that no fracking was actually taking place at the rig, and…
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  • Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez visited a “fracking” site in Colorado, and tweeted out a video that purported to show it was releasing toxic emissions.
  • However, several hydraulic fracturing experts noted that no fracking was actually taking place at the rig, and that the camera was not showing emissions, but heat signatures.
  • A Democratic politician tweeted back at Ocasio-Cortez, telling her that “we do ourselves no favors” when Democrats deny facts and science.
[FONT=&quot]Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez suggested to her millions of Twitter followers that a “fracking” site she visited was releasing toxic emissions, but experts pointed out that the site is not even fracking, and the video she tweeted about caught heat signatures — not emissions. . . . [/FONT]

 
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Greta Thunberg is doing the USA a favor if the right sees the opening. These stupid treaties open your country up to being sued by anyone, even someone not qualified to vote. Let this serve as a word to the wise.
 
JackA said:
So much angst here over a young girl who has the temerity to demand a clean world to grow up in.
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If you think this 'little girl' came up with this garbage, you are gullible. Do you really believe she doesn't have a sponsor? Do you really believe her family paid her way to America? Sorry, no. This weird kid is fully coached and financed by a Soros organization. The new tactic of the left is to find young people with an acting background, use them as props to spout lines pushing the Marxist agenda, and get the media to pretend these kids came up with it all on their own. Do you think dimbulb bartender Cortez thought up all these radical programs she's credited with authoring? Do you think the little bedwetter David Hogg actually organized massive rallies as a dumb 17-year-old high school kid?
 
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If you think this 'little girl' came up with this garbage, you are gullible. Do you really believe she doesn't have a sponsor? Do you really believe her family paid her way to America? Sorry, no. This weird kid is fully coached and financed by a Soros organization. The new tactic of the left is to find young people with an acting background, use them as props to spout lines pushing the Marxist agenda, and get the media to pretend these kids came up with it all on their own. Do you think dimbulb bartender Cortez thought up all these radical programs she's credited with authoring? Do you think the little bedwetter David Hogg actually organized massive rallies as a dumb 17-year-old high school kid?
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Ah, “by a Soros organization” no less. All this paranoia must get wearing.
 
 
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