12 yrs? Nah, More like 18 Months

Lord of Planar · Jul 24, 2019

calamity said:
:roll:

Translation: Currents will not continue to flow by sheer momentum when the heat energy and salinity goes away.

My God.

Please explain how you can be so ignorant as to think I implied oceans flowed by sheer momentum.

Physics dictates that as you remove energy moving a mass, that the mass will continue to move. Frictional forces will slow it down, and it will eventually stop.

I never said they wouldn't stop. I said the momentum would keep them moving for some time.

Please don't make me think you are stupid. It sure looks like that's how you want us to see you.

Lord of Planar · Jul 24, 2019

calamity said:
Admit you ****ed up with your "momentum" remark and move on. Currents will not just continue to flow by momentum, in fact momentum will be ground to a halt by opposing forces within a few days, at most. Maybe even hours.

Yes, they will stop if all forces moving them cease. For something the mass of the ocean, and it's insignificant frictional component, it will be far more than days.

Why do you think I implied otherwise?

Are you really that incompetent regarding words?

It's laughable you guys talk about the ocean currents stopping like it's around the corner.

Do you know what the phrase "around the corner" means?

Lord of Planar · Jul 24, 2019

calamity said:
:roll:

Translation: Currents will not continue to flow by sheer momentum when the heat energy and salinity goes away.

Please explain how they will go away....

My God.

D-K effect in full gear!

calamity · Jul 24, 2019

Lord of Planar said:
Please explain how they will go away....

My God.

D-K effect in full gear!

Explained in the the thread wherein was the poop you stepped in yesterday: undersaturation of ocean salinity due to too much ice melt.

calamity · Jul 24, 2019

Lord of Planar said:
Yes, they will stop if all forces moving them cease. For something the mass of the ocean, and it's insignificant frictional component, it will be far more than days.

Why do you think I implied otherwise?

Are you really that incompetent regarding words?

Do you know what the phrase "around the corner" means?

Scientists Say Ocean Circulation Is Slowing.

Scientists have found new evidence that the Atlantic Ocean's circulation has slowed by about 15 percent since the middle of the last century.

Yes, I win again.

PoS · Jul 24, 2019

calamity said:
I didn't think we could just keep going to town for 12 years and then flip a switch to turn off the furnace. It seems the smart people agree.

18 months now? LOL. If you want to sell your house and prepare for the apocalypse, I'll buy it for a $100 even.

calamity · Jul 24, 2019

PoS said:
18 months now? LOL. If you want to sell your house and prepare for the apocalypse, I'll buy it for a $100 even.

Ah, so you too choose not to read the op. Hint: it doesn't say what you wrote.

Media_Truth · Jul 24, 2019

X Factor said:
This is, like, the 827th time I’ve heard the end of the world due to global warming is just around the corner. I guess we’ll see.

"End of the World" - the article doesn't talk about the end of the world. It does mention this, however ---

One of the understated headlines in last year's IPCC report was that global emissions of carbon dioxide must peak by 2020 to keep the planet below 1.5C.

Current plans are nowhere near strong enough to keep temperatures below the so-called safe limit. Right now, we are heading towards 3C of heating by 2100 not 1.5.

As countries usually scope out their plans over five and 10 year timeframes, if the 45% carbon cut target by 2030 is to be met then the plans really need to be on the table by the end of 2020.

Lord of Planar · Jul 25, 2019

calamity said:
Scientists Say Ocean Circulation Is Slowing.

Yes, I win again.

Proxy evidence is not always accurate. Funny how you think accurate measurements are possible for then. I doubt any accuracy is within 25%.

PoS · Jul 25, 2019

calamity said:
Ah, so you too choose not to read the op. Hint: it doesn't say what you wrote.

I normally read OPs, but I make an exception in your case since I know what youre up to. :mrgreen:

calamity · Jul 25, 2019

PoS said:
I normally read OPs, but I make an exception in your case since I know what youre up to. :mrgreen:

Well, that explains why your strawman fell down before you could push it over.

calamity · Jul 25, 2019

Lord of Planar said:
Proxy evidence is not always accurate. Funny how you think accurate measurements are possible for then. I doubt any accuracy is within 25%.

PoS · Jul 25, 2019

calamity said:
Well, that explains why your strawman fell down before you could push it over.

Your entire OP is a strawman so pot meet kettle.

calamity · Jul 25, 2019

PoS said:
Your entire OP is a strawman so pot meet kettle.

Methinks you know not what straw means, man. Hint, it's not anything that would be found in the op. But, it's all over the post you wrote making up an argument I never made. :roll:

Jack Hays · Jul 29, 2019

Do Global Warming Hysterics Ever Tire of Being Wrong?
Frank Bullitt, Issues&Insights

longview · Jul 29, 2019

Jack Hays said:
Do Global Warming Hysterics Ever Tire of Being Wrong?
Frank Bullitt, Issues&Insights

The short answer is NO!, but I have noticed more of the shorter term more desperate predictions of late.
I think when you strip away the alarmist tripe, at the core of the concept of AGW are some weaknesses
that have date timers on them. Before the 2016 El Nino, someone had stated that if the pause went on for another few years,
it would be too significant to ignore. If the temperature continues to drop, then the pause will have continued,
and the El Nino will be what we always knew it was, a weather event.

polgara · Jul 29, 2019

Jack Hays said:
Do Global Warming Hysterics Ever Tire of Being Wrong?
Frank Bullitt, Issues&Insights

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

If this is going to be the way Prince Charles will rule as King - assuming he will actually have a shot at it - it makes me happy to realize that I live in America and not Europe! Most of the Algore "diehards" have already chosen the side they are on...the one that controls the money that is available at the UN, so everyone else is left to fight for the truth if they care enough to do so!

We know that a One-World-Government is being planned, so everything else is probably secondary at this point, and for all we know the hysterics about global warming are probably helpful! :damn:

Jack Hays · Jul 29, 2019

polgara said:
Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

If this is going to be the way Prince Charles will rule as King - assuming he will actually have a shot at it - it makes me happy to realize that I live in America and not Europe! Most of the Algore "diehards" have already chosen the side they are on...the one that controls the money that is available at the UN, so everyone else is left to fight for the truth if they care enough to do so!

We know that a One-World-Government is being planned, so everything else is probably secondary at this point, and for all we know the hysterics about global warming are probably helpful! :damn:

Greetings, Polgara.:2wave:

Truth always prevails, eventually.:usflag2:

calamity · Jul 29, 2019

polgara said:
Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

If this is going to be the way Prince Charles will rule as King - assuming he will actually have a shot at it - it makes me happy to realize that I live in America and not Europe! Most of the Algore "diehards" have already chosen the side they are on...the one that controls the money that is available at the UN, so everyone else is left to fight for the truth if they care enough to do so!

We know that a One-World-Government is being planned, so everything else is probably secondary at this point, and for all we know the hysterics about global warming are probably helpful! :damn:

Jack Hays said:
Greetings, Polgara.:2wave:

Truth always prevails, eventually.:usflag2:

Climate truthers?

Noodlegawd · Jul 31, 2019

If it's really 18 months, then we might as well forget about it and party like it's 1999, because there's no way in hell ANYTHING significant is going to happen in that amount of time.

longview · Jul 31, 2019

Tlrmln said:
If it's really 18 months, then we might as well forget about it and party like it's 1999, because there's no way in hell ANYTHING significant is going to happen in that amount of time.

Actually, something significant could well happen in the next 18 months, which might explain the urgency.
Before the 2016 El Nino, at least some scientist were concerned that if the pause continued for a few more years,
it would bring into question the climate models. If the next 18 months continue the current decline since 2016,
then the average will look like the pause has continued for over 20 years.
At some point the pause would be greater than the variability that can be accounted for in the models, and invalidate,
if not the entire models, then many of the high end assumptions used for the inputs.
Before the El Nino ended the pause, there were articles explaining where the missing heat was,
https://www.nature.com/news/climate-change-the-case-of-the-missing-heat-1.14525
but they conveyed other information in their description of what was wrong.

Stark contrast

On a chart of global atmospheric temperatures, the hiatus stands in stark contrast to the rapid warming of the two decades that preceded it. Simulations conducted in advance of the 2013–14 assessment from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) suggest that the warming should have continued at an average rate of 0.21 °C per decade from 1998 to 2012. Instead, the observed warming during that period was just 0.04 °C per decade, as measured by the UK Met Office in Exeter and the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, UK.

If the 2019 or 2020 temperatures are back in the 2013-2014 range, it will be like the pause never ended.
The urgency is based on the risk that if the alarmist do not get something codified into law, soon, their chance will have slipped away!

calamity · Jul 31, 2019

longview said:
Actually, something significant could well happen in the next 18 months, which might explain the urgency.
Before the 2016 El Nino, at least some scientist were concerned that if the pause continued for a few more years,
it would bring into question the climate models. If the next 18 months continue the current decline since 2016,
then the average will look like the pause has continued for over 20 years.
At some point the pause would be greater than the variability that can be accounted for in the models, and invalidate,
if not the entire models, then many of the high end assumptions used for the inputs.
Before the El Nino ended the pause, there were articles explaining where the missing heat was,
Climate change: The case of the missing heat : Nature News & Comment
but they conveyed other information in their description of what was wrong.

If the 2019 or 2020 temperatures are back in the 2013-2014 range, it will be like the pause never ended.
The urgency is based on the risk that if the alarmist do not get something codified into law, soon, their chance will have slipped away!

Bold: I call bull****

longview · Jul 31, 2019

calamity said:
Bold: I call bull****

What, you have a crystal ball, and know what the 2019 and 2020 temperatures will be?
Here is what I said again,
"If the 2019 or 2020 temperatures are back in the 2013-2014 range, it will be like the pause never ended."
That IF at the beginning of the sentence actually means something!

Buzz · Aug 1, 2019

longview said:
"If the 2019 or 2020 temperatures are back in the 2013-2014 range, it will be like the pause never ended."

:lamo

Yeah... The El Nino of 2015-2016 will be easy to make disappear with your trade-mark cherry-picking and bad math.

:lamo

longview · Aug 1, 2019

Buzz said:
:lamo

Yeah... The El Nino of 2015-2016 will be easy to make disappear with your trade-mark cherry-picking and bad math.

:lamo

It will be reported in the same data sets everyone uses, and the 2015-2016 El Nino will not disappear, but be rendered
a statistically unimportant weather event.

12 yrs? Nah, More like 18 Months

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