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    The psychology of climate change denial

    I have been very puzzled at the rhetoric and arguments of climate deniers. It has seemed really odd how readily, for example, they deny the strong and unanimous consensus of every single scientific organization on the entire planet, but jump all over a Manhattan real estate guy’s Declaration that it’s all just a Chinese hoax. No amount of evidence seems to be enough. They either deny it, or twist it, or just grasp at any crazy website or charlatan they can find who may have an opposing opinion. It just seems so disconnected from reality and reason.

    It did not make sense, until I saw this article about why otherwise rational people can become climate change deniers, young earth creationists, believe in ESP and UFO abduction stories, deny modern medicine and think they can treat their rececently diagnosed cancer with all-natural herbal teas and yoga, become an anti-vaxxer, etc...

    It’s a psychological optical illusion: when scientific facts are so unfamiliar, so uncomfortable, so against one’s view of what the world is like or should be, that it becomes preposterous to accept it. So they start to see their skepticism as being smart. The science, so readily accepted in other areas, becomes a conspiracy to destroy capitalism or give their kids autism or something. It’s not A matter of presenting even more evidence, or being more logical or rational. This is not about facts or logic.

    Great article on the psychology of such science-denial:

    Why So Many Americans Don't 'Believe' In Evolution, Climate Change And Vaccines | HuffPost Life

    I think the way to try to convince these folks is not to keep presenting more evidence for climate change. It’s not about the evidence. Clearly no amount of evidence is going to change their mind. The thing that bothers them is probably that if true, it is going to involve government intervention and spending. Or that they might lose their jobs. If they are convinced that’s what it’s going to necessarily involve, they are going to keep denying it. Maybe if they are reassured that the free-market may be able to address these issues, or that new and more jobs will be created, they will not deny the issues themselves so much anymore. Of course, then there is the fear of change that we will have to contend with.

    But at least this may be a blueprint for how to debate these folks. Because it is clear than trying to convince them just based on evidence and rationality is a losing proposition. You will just go against a brick wall and come back with a concussion. Because it’s not about that.
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    Re: The psychology of climate change denial

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    I have been very puzzled at the rhetoric and arguments of climate deniers. It has seemed really odd how readily, for example, they did Nied the strong and unanimous consensus of every single scientific organization on the entire planet, but jump all over a Manhattan real estate guy’s Declaration that it’s all just a Chinese hoax. No amount of evidence seems to be enough. They either deny it, or twist it, or just grasp at any crazy website or charlatan they can find who may have an opposing opinion. It just seems so disconnected from reality and reason.

    It did not make sense, until I saw this article about why otherwise rational people can become climate change deniers, young earth creationists, believe in ESP and UFO abduction stories, deny modern medicine and think they can treat their rececently diagnosed cancer with all-natural herbal teas and yoga, become an anti-vaxxer, etc...

    It’s a psychological optical illusion: when scientific facts are so unfamiliar, so uncomfortable, so against one’s view of what the world is like or should be, that it becomes preposterous to accept it. So they start to see their skepticism as being smart. The science, so readily accepted in other areas, becomes a conspiracy to destroy capitalism or give their kids autism or something. It’s not A matter of presenting even more evidence, or being more logical or rational. This is not about facts or logic.

    Great article on the psychology of such science-denial:

    Why So Many Americans Don't 'Believe' In Evolution, Climate Change And Vaccines | HuffPost Life


    "did Nied the strong and unanimous consensus of every single scientific organization on the entire planet...."

    First, Maurice Strong created the Global Warming agenda.

    He did that when he organized the first "climate" conference in Rio de Janeiro in 1992.

    There, in the opening statement to the conference attendees he laid out the plan for economic control of the West, Agenda 21, and the realignment of power throughout the Earth.


    Since then, when someone raises a hand to question the science has been conducted, or more critically, the prescribed mitigation, they are summarily attacked.

    If you are a Climate Scientists, or affiliated organization, you can get on the gravy train, or, be cut off and starve, depending on what kind of results you bring to the table.

    Climate Change has abandoned the Scientific Method. The whole agenda seeks to take control of the lives of all humans on Earth, demands the largest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind, and encourages punitive responses directed at anyone who gets in the way of it's objectives.

    Given these facts, is it really that difficult to understand why people question what is going on?
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    Re: The psychology of climate change denial

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post


    "did Nied the strong and unanimous consensus of every single scientific organization on the entire planet...."

    First, Maurice Strong created the Global Warming agenda.

    He did that when he organized the first "climate" conference in Rio de Janeiro in 1992.

    There, in the opening statement to the conference attendees he laid out the plan for economic control of the West, Agenda 21, and the realignment of power throughout the Earth.


    Since then, when someone raises a hand to question the science has been or more critically the prescribed mitigation, they are summarily attacked.

    If you are a Climate Scientists, or affiliated organization, you can get on the gravy train, or, be cut off and starve, depending on what kind of results you bring to the table.

    Climate Change has abandoned the Scientific Method. It seeks to take control of the lives of all humans on Earth, demands the largest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind, and encourages punitive responses to anyone who get in the way of it's objectives.

    Given these facts, is it really that difficult to understand why people question what is going on?
    The science behind climate change has been going on since the late 19th century. The first climate models came out in the 1960s. And it is not part of an agenda to control the west, just like evolutionary biology is not part of an agenda to make us all godless immoral heathens, and vaccines are not part of an agenda to make all our kids autistic and dependent on big government.

    Scientists who support this even include the ones work for Exxon mobile or the trump administration. It is not a conspiracy about scientists just trying to make some money.

    Really, we can try to address it with only free market solutions if you like. This is crazy.

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    Re: The psychology of climate change denial

    Then immediately in walks a science denying conservative that's never studied climate science a day in his life to tell us it's all an international liberal conspiracy.

    You are 100% correct in what you said, ataraxia. I've long since abandoned trying to reason with these people as they've abandoned reason long ago. I think the core of it is the death of respect for knowledge and expertise. Science is complicated so it's hard for the scientifically illiterate to understand, and if they can't understand it they have to defer to the experts in those fields. If however you don't understand enough about science to even understand what being an expert in a scientific field means, you're not going to respect the consensus. These people think scientists just make up things and that it's all squabbling about opinions like it's politics. They've never taken even a day of their lives to seriously study the science and objectively clear evidence.

    Ultimately, it's not worth even engaging these people as it just makes them more entrenched as they see it as a politicial issue and not a scientific one. It's about as productive as arguing with young earth creationists or flat earthers. The best you can do is just continue supporting science and let the deniers slowly fade away like the flat earthers did. The good news is even most deniers admit the earth is warming now (HUGE progress!) they've just shifted their argument to be that mankind could never, ever und any circumstance effect the environment because Jesus is protecting it or something.

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    Re: The psychology of climate change denial

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    The science behind climate change has been going on since the late 19th century. The first climate models came out in the 1960s. And it is not part of an agenda to control the west, just like evolutionary biology is not part of an agenda to make us all godless immoral heathens, and vaccines are not part of an agenda to make all our kids autistic and dependent on big government.

    Scientists who support this even include the ones work for Exxon mobile or the trump administration. It is not a conspiracy about scientists just trying to make some money.

    Really, we can try to address it with only free market solutions if you like. This is crazy.
    Going on since the 19th Century? What does that mean? The first climate models came out in the 1960's? Which ones?

    The issue of "Climate Change", as proven over and over, is about control and money.

    That's it.

    The science is just paid for frosting to use as a weapon against anyone who dares get in the way.

    Maurice Strong, and the UN Agenda 21 mapped that out.
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    Re: The psychology of climate change denial

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Going on since the 19th Century? What does that mean? The first climate models came out in the 1960's? Which ones?

    The issue of "Climate Change", as proven over and over, is about control and money.

    That's it.

    The science is just paid for frosting to use as a weapon against anyone who dares get in the way.

    Maurice Strong, and the UN Agenda 21 mapped that out.
    Seeing as how you've never spent a day in your life studying climate science your opinion is completely and totally irrelevant. If you'd like to prove your thesis that it's all a big liberal hoax, publish papers in the field proving it and collect your Nobel prize and unbelievable fame.

    That's how science works, it's not based on the politicial opinions of uneducated random jerkoffs on the internet who cherry pick to suit their pre-determined agenda. So what's stopping you?

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    Re: The psychology of climate change denial

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Going on since the 19th Century? What does that mean? The first climate models came out in the 1960's? Which ones?
    That’s all in the textbooks.

    Any standard textbook on the subject can help answer your questions. Have you read them?

    Do you believe in any other science? Or is it just this particular topic? Why?

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    Re: The psychology of climate change denial

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Then immediately in walks a science denying conservative that's never studied climate science a day in his life to tell us it's all an international liberal conspiracy
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    I know. I could not have planned a better exhibit A for my argument if I had tried!

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    Re: The psychology of climate change denial

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    That’s all in the textbooks.

    Any standard textbook on the subject can help answer your questions. Have you read them?

    Do you believe in any other science? Or is it just this particular topic? Why?
    I'm a fan of most sciences. Absolutely.

    I'm not a fan of junk science. I want science to be fully applied, questions answered, doubts raised and addressed.

    Climate Science is not science. It is agenda.

    No legitimate scientific effort crushes fellow scientists who question the results.

    No legitimate scientific effort throws out the Scientific Method to protect it's claimed results.

    If science believes it has found a cure for cancer, do you want scientists who question the results silenced?
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    Re: The psychology of climate change denial

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    I know. I could not have planned a better exhibit A for my argument if I had tried!
    Interacting with these people usually goes like this:

    Person A: It's been proven that the earth is spherical, here's a mountain of scientific evidence showing that's the case for you to examine and all of the scientists in related fields agree with 99.99% consensus.

    Science denier: I'm not going to look through all that science and mathy bull****! I found a blog from Dr. Crazypants in Belgium that claims its all just an illusion by aliens. So ha! Suck it liberals!

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