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The psychology of climate change denial

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[h=1]Unsettled Climate Science: 30 Years Apace[/h][FONT=&quot]Reposed from the Institute of Energy Research By Robert L. Bradley, Jr. February 14, 2020 Climate activist Emily Akin has called it “the most important climate story of the last 10 years: The quiet, concerted effort by fossil fuel interests to conceal and deny climate science, for the purposes of preventing climate action.” The bad…
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It is funny, in my world, everyone believes in climate change and they just don't care. How do you solve that problem?

By saying what the actual trouble is likely to be. Some sort of actual bad thing about a warmer world that is, well, you know, backed up with science.
 
It is funny, in my world, everyone believes in climate change and they just don't care. How do you solve that problem?

You don’t. That’s why they elected an idiot instead of brainy Hillary.
 

As you know I have read it and you have not.

You, that is YOU, will have to explain why there is at all going t be any sort of problem.

Why wont you read it? The evidence is right there
 
I have read it the evidence is no there. I challenge you to quote from it where it shows evidence of anything significant that stands up to any scrutiny.

No you have not. Please present any of it you claim is untrue.


Be specific
 
No you have not. Please present any of it you claim is untrue.


Be specific

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Why wont you read it? The evidence is right there

Your claim back it up.

I fully understand that you are functionally unable to do that as it both does no thave any such evidence and that you are incapable of reading it in the first place. At least that is the evidence so far.
 
Your claim back it up.

I fully understand that you are functionally unable to do that as it both does no thave any such evidence and that you are incapable of reading it in the first place. At least that is the evidence so far.

I can only show you the peer reviewed research.


I can not force you to understand it
 
You don’t. That’s why they elected an idiot instead of brainy Hillary.

I live in liberal hell!!! How do you explain that? they voted for Sanders and then Clinton and yet they still don't care.
 
Sign the Petition: Alan Kohler wants a Royal Commission into Climate Science (to convince the skeptics)



Alan Kohler thinks there is so much overwhelming evidence that a Royal Commission would persuade the skeptics. Skeptics say, yes please, lets do the due diligence that’s never been done. Over 50% of Australians are skeptical of the IPCC explanations (think that’s changed? See the last election). Over 60% don’t want to pay even $10 a month. So lay it out. We want a Royal Commission based on scientific evidence, not “scientific opinion”. It’s not enough to show the climate’s changed, we expect to see cause and effect. Let’s get all the uncertainties laid bare, not buried behind models and hidden by indignant namecalling. What are they afraid of? — Jo Nova
Sign Parliamentary Petition EN1231

Don A reminds Australians who sign the petition that they MUST confirm they’re not a robot, and tick the relevant boxes AND respond to a subsequent email. Make it count!


The PRESS RELEASE:
_________________________________
Cool Futures Funds Management
Climate and Energy Policies – Due Diligence Initiative​
We support Alan Kohler’s call for an Australian Royal Commission and the related House of Representatives e-Petition EN1231 to review the evidence on our Climate and Energy Policies.
If the Government is genuinely interested in dispassionately resolving the polarized climate and energy debate, it should welcome this Royal Commission.
No one among the public, the policy-making ministers, the bureaucrats, the corporate and management class, the public intellectuals, or indeed our journalists, has ever seen or understood the empirical evidence in support of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW). Why do the climate scientists believe in CAGW? Is there any empirical evidence? Can we see this evidence? What due diligence has been done so far?
This Royal Commission, as Alan Kohler suggests, will fill a critical need.
“… a review of the evidence on (climate change and energy) in which everyone is required (under oath) to tell the truth.”
The Australian Sept 21, 2019​
Alan is alluding to those who are sceptical of CAGW. He wants to convince everyone the evidence on ‘climate change’ demands a ‘carbon’ emissions drop. Policies are supposed to be “science based” and “evidence based,” so we all need to know precisely what the relevant terms mean and what the evidence is. The public only ever hear or see people, including scientists, giving their opinions on climate change. But opinions are not evidence.
Climate & energy policy due diligence – not only has to be done – but has to be seen to be done.
Dr David Evans, who built Australia’s forestry and agricultural carbon accounting system (FullCAM):
The reasons for believing CAGW are purely theoretical. CAGW is a theory based on basic physics models and large computerized models. That’s why there is no empirical evidence for it, and why we cannot simply point to some evidence and convince everyone that it is true. Because it is theoretical belief, that belief cannot be falsified in the eyes of the modelers with empirical evidence.”. . . .


 
Sign the Petition: Alan Kohler wants a Royal Commission into Climate Science (to convince the skeptics)



Alan Kohler thinks there is so much overwhelming evidence that a Royal Commission would persuade the skeptics. Skeptics say, yes please, lets do the due diligence that’s never been done. Over 50% of Australians are skeptical of the IPCC explanations (think that’s changed? See the last election). Over 60% don’t want to pay even $10 a month. So lay it out. We want a Royal Commission based on scientific evidence, not “scientific opinion”. It’s not enough to show the climate’s changed, we expect to see cause and effect. Let’s get all the uncertainties laid bare, not buried behind models and hidden by indignant namecalling. What are they afraid of? — Jo Nova
Sign Parliamentary Petition EN1231

Don A reminds Australians who sign the petition that they MUST confirm they’re not a robot, and tick the relevant boxes AND respond to a subsequent email. Make it count!


The PRESS RELEASE:
_________________________________
Cool Futures Funds Management
Climate and Energy Policies – Due Diligence Initiative​
We support Alan Kohler’s call for an Australian Royal Commission and the related House of Representatives e-Petition EN1231 to review the evidence on our Climate and Energy Policies.
If the Government is genuinely interested in dispassionately resolving the polarized climate and energy debate, it should welcome this Royal Commission.
No one among the public, the policy-making ministers, the bureaucrats, the corporate and management class, the public intellectuals, or indeed our journalists, has ever seen or understood the empirical evidence in support of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW). Why do the climate scientists believe in CAGW? Is there any empirical evidence? Can we see this evidence? What due diligence has been done so far?
This Royal Commission, as Alan Kohler suggests, will fill a critical need.
“… a review of the evidence on (climate change and energy) in which everyone is required (under oath) to tell the truth.”
The Australian Sept 21, 2019​
Alan is alluding to those who are sceptical of CAGW. He wants to convince everyone the evidence on ‘climate change’ demands a ‘carbon’ emissions drop. Policies are supposed to be “science based” and “evidence based,” so we all need to know precisely what the relevant terms mean and what the evidence is. The public only ever hear or see people, including scientists, giving their opinions on climate change. But opinions are not evidence.
Climate & energy policy due diligence – not only has to be done – but has to be seen to be done.
Dr David Evans, who built Australia’s forestry and agricultural carbon accounting system (FullCAM):
The reasons for believing CAGW are purely theoretical. CAGW is a theory based on basic physics models and large computerized models. That’s why there is no empirical evidence for it, and why we cannot simply point to some evidence and convince everyone that it is true. Because it is theoretical belief, that belief cannot be falsified in the eyes of the modelers with empirical evidence.”. . . .



Oh, yes. The beginning of the end is coming along!
 
Sign the Petition: Alan Kohler wants a Royal Commission into Climate Science (to convince the skeptics)



Alan Kohler thinks there is so much overwhelming evidence that a Royal Commission would persuade the skeptics. Skeptics say, yes please, lets do the due diligence that’s never been done. Over 50% of Australians are skeptical of the IPCC explanations (think that’s changed? See the last election). Over 60% don’t want to pay even $10 a month. So lay it out. We want a Royal Commission based on scientific evidence, not “scientific opinion”. It’s not enough to show the climate’s changed, we expect to see cause and effect. Let’s get all the uncertainties laid bare, not buried behind models and hidden by indignant namecalling. What are they afraid of? — Jo Nova
Sign Parliamentary Petition EN1231

Don A reminds Australians who sign the petition that they MUST confirm they’re not a robot, and tick the relevant boxes AND respond to a subsequent email. Make it count!


The PRESS RELEASE:
_________________________________
Cool Futures Funds Management
Climate and Energy Policies – Due Diligence Initiative​
We support Alan Kohler’s call for an Australian Royal Commission and the related House of Representatives e-Petition EN1231 to review the evidence on our Climate and Energy Policies.
If the Government is genuinely interested in dispassionately resolving the polarized climate and energy debate, it should welcome this Royal Commission.
No one among the public, the policy-making ministers, the bureaucrats, the corporate and management class, the public intellectuals, or indeed our journalists, has ever seen or understood the empirical evidence in support of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW). Why do the climate scientists believe in CAGW? Is there any empirical evidence? Can we see this evidence? What due diligence has been done so far?
This Royal Commission, as Alan Kohler suggests, will fill a critical need.
“… a review of the evidence on (climate change and energy) in which everyone is required (under oath) to tell the truth.”
The Australian Sept 21, 2019​
Alan is alluding to those who are sceptical of CAGW. He wants to convince everyone the evidence on ‘climate change’ demands a ‘carbon’ emissions drop. Policies are supposed to be “science based” and “evidence based,” so we all need to know precisely what the relevant terms mean and what the evidence is. The public only ever hear or see people, including scientists, giving their opinions on climate change. But opinions are not evidence.
Climate & energy policy due diligence – not only has to be done – but has to be seen to be done.
Dr David Evans, who built Australia’s forestry and agricultural carbon accounting system (FullCAM):
The reasons for believing CAGW are purely theoretical. CAGW is a theory based on basic physics models and large computerized models. That’s why there is no empirical evidence for it, and why we cannot simply point to some evidence and convince everyone that it is true. Because it is theoretical belief, that belief cannot be falsified in the eyes of the modelers with empirical evidence.”. . . .



And if you lose....you claim it's a conspiracy
 
Noteworthy that Nature has had two retractions in the past two weeks.

[h=2]Authors retract Nature paper on dramatic increases in streamflow from deforestation[/h][FONT=&quot]
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SourceThe authors of a 2019 Nature paper on hydrology have retracted it after commenters pointed out a slew of errors with the work.
The article, “Global analysis of streamflow response to forest management,” was written by Jaivime Evaristo, of the Copernicus Institute of Sustainable Development at Utrecht University, in The Netherlands, and Jeffrey McDonnell, of the Global Institute for Water Security at the University of Saskatchewan, in Canada. In it, Evaristo and McDonnell produced an estimate of the effects of deforestation on the volume of the world’s rivers.
Their conclusion: “forest removal can lead to increases in streamflow that are around 3.4 times greater than the mean annual runoff of the Amazon River” — nearly enough to double the volume of all the world’s rivers in total.
Disturbing (for those of us not in the field) thought experiment aside, the estimate turns out to be off the mark.
The retraction notice states:
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And if you lose....you claim it's a conspiracy

Also the fact that Trump have been president for thee years there the result is that federal agencies continue to acknowledge the urgent need for action. Because the evidence is so overwhelming.

Fourth National Climate Assessment

There Republican states are also starting to acknowledge the need for action.

"Utah have created a long term plan to tackle climate change and air pollution.

"In a move to protect its ski slopes and growing economy, Utah – one of the reddest states in the nation – has just created a long-term plan to address the climate crisis.

And in a surprising turnaround, some of the state’s conservative leaders are welcoming it.

“If we don’t think about Utah’s long-term future, who will?” Republican state house speaker Brad Wilson said at a recent focus group to discuss the proposals.

At the request of the Republican-dominated state legislature, a University of Utah economic thinktank produced the plan to reduce emissions affecting both the local air quality and the global climate."


Red-state Utah embraces plan to tackle climate crisis in surprising shift | Environment | The Guardian
 
Also the fact that Trump have been president for thee years there the result is that federal agencies continue to acknowledge the urgent need for action. Because the evidence is so overwhelming.

Fourth National Climate Assessment

There Republican states are also starting to acknowledge the need for action.

"Utah have created a long term plan to tackle climate change and air pollution.

"In a move to protect its ski slopes and growing economy, Utah – one of the reddest states in the nation – has just created a long-term plan to address the climate crisis.

And in a surprising turnaround, some of the state’s conservative leaders are welcoming it.

“If we don’t think about Utah’s long-term future, who will?” Republican state house speaker Brad Wilson said at a recent focus group to discuss the proposals.

At the request of the Republican-dominated state legislature, a University of Utah economic thinktank produced the plan to reduce emissions affecting both the local air quality and the global climate."


Red-state Utah embraces plan to tackle climate crisis in surprising shift | Environment | The Guardian

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[h=1]No raw data, no science: another possible source of the reproducibility crisis[/h][FONT=&quot]From Molecular Brain, Biomedical Central Molecular Brain volume 13, Article number: 24 (2020) Cite this article Abstract A reproducibility crisis is a situation where many scientific studies cannot be reproduced. Inappropriate practices of science, such as HARKing, p-hacking, and selective reporting of positive results, have been suggested as causes of irreproducibility. In this editorial, I…
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[h=1]BBC: Climate Education is Failing Because Some Graduates Become Oil Executives[/h][FONT=&quot]Guest essay by Eric Worrall A child activist interviewed by the BBC is disappointed that some “educated people” resist climate indoctrination enough to accept jobs from oil companies. Climate change: Schools failing us, say pupils By Judith BurnsEducation reporter “It’s educated people who are causing the most damage to the planet,” says sixth-former Joe Brindle. …
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Maybe we need a thread on the psychology of environmentalist racism.

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[h=1]NYT: White Supremacy Goes Green[/h][FONT=&quot]Guest essay by Eric Worrall NYT have just noticed that not all climate activists are PC hippies, though they still seem blind to the possibility that some of their own political fellow travellers could be bad. White Supremacy Goes Green Why is the Far Right Suddenly Paying Attention to climate change? By Beth Gardiner
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This is an example of why the "consensus" has no credibility.

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[h=1]Fact-checking the NY Times’ “Lies”[/h][FONT=&quot]News Review by Kip Hansen – 4 March 2020 The NY Times has been at it again – this time printing bald-faced inaccuracies (some might call it lying….). Hiroko Tabuchi, a climate reporter for The New York Times, penned “A Trump Insider Embeds Climate Denial in Scientific Research” in the 2 March 2020 online…
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This is an example of why the "consensus" has no credibility.

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Hiroko Tabuchi, a climate reporter for The New York Times, penned “A Trump Insider Embeds Climate Denial in Scientific Research” in the 2 March 2020 online version of the Times. I have tried, but I have found it difficult to find anything true in the story.

What a shock....
 
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