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The psychology of climate change denial

Tim the plumber said:
No it does not. Apply actually reading things and thinking about them. You will make less stupid statements this way.
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Yes it does. I said show me one where it is not accelerating.


You cant
 
Tim the plumber said:
1, It does not and you did not say that there is any showing no acceleration.

2, That is the problem. You do not understand how to read a graph.
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Again you cant post anything not showing accelerating.


Hahahahaha
 
vegas giants said:
I cant find any that do not show temps rising by 2100
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Neither can I, but I can find several that don 't show acceleration. The first one "out of the box"

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definitely shows negative acceleration for the "Lower emissions scenario"

It even shows an "Even higher emissions scenario" Oh My! Gotta love those dot gov charts.
 
The evidence of manmade global warming is now overwhelming but powerful economical and political interest that want do delay action on climate change is not giving up. Instead there are just changing their tactics for their disinformation there sadly personal attacks are a big part of it.

"The fossil fuel industry, political lobbyists, media moguls and individuals have spent the past 30 years sowing doubt about the reality of climate change - where none exists. The latest estimate is that the world’s five largest publicly-owned oil and gas companies spend about US$200 million a year on lobbying to control, delay or block binding climate policy.

Their hold on the public seems to be waning. Two recent polls suggested over 75% of Americans think humans are causing climate change. School climate strikes, Extinction Rebellion protests, national governments declaring a climate emergency, improved media coverage of climate change and an increasing number of extreme weather events have all contributed to this shift. There also seems to be a renewed optimism that we can deal with the crisis.

But this means lobbying has changed, now employing more subtle and more vicious approaches – what has been termed as “climate sadism”. It is used to mock young people going on climate protests and to ridicule Greta Thunberg, a 16-year-old young woman with Asperger’s, who is simply telling the scientific truth."

The five corrupt pillars of climate change denial
 
Bergslagstroll said:
The evidence of manmade global warming is now overwhelming but powerful economical and political interest that want do delay action on climate change is not giving up. Instead there are just changing their tactics for their disinformation there sadly personal attacks are a big part of it.

"The fossil fuel industry, political lobbyists, media moguls and individuals have spent the past 30 years sowing doubt about the reality of climate change - where none exists. The latest estimate is that the world’s five largest publicly-owned oil and gas companies spend about US$200 million a year on lobbying to control, delay or block binding climate policy.

Their hold on the public seems to be waning. Two recent polls suggested over 75% of Americans think humans are causing climate change. School climate strikes, Extinction Rebellion protests, national governments declaring a climate emergency, improved media coverage of climate change and an increasing number of extreme weather events have all contributed to this shift. There also seems to be a renewed optimism that we can deal with the crisis.

But this means lobbying has changed, now employing more subtle and more vicious approaches – what has been termed as “climate sadism”. It is used to mock young people going on climate protests and to ridicule Greta Thunberg, a 16-year-old young woman with Asperger’s, who is simply telling the scientific truth."

The five corrupt pillars of climate change denial
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Can you point out a single bad aspect of a warmer world as per the IPCC's climate numbers that will be significantly bad in any particular place?
 
Tim the plumber said:
Can you point out a single bad aspect of a warmer world as per the IPCC's climate numbers that will be significantly bad in any particular place?
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It'll be bad for people like AOC since she predicted the world will end in about 10 years (down from 12 years since 2 years have passed).
 
Tim the plumber said:
Can you point out a single bad aspect of a warmer world as per the IPCC's climate numbers that will be significantly bad in any particular place?
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I have done this with you several times.
 
vegas giants said:
I have done this with you several times.
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Yes and even federal agencies under Donald Trump, like NASA, warns about the devastating effects climate change will have in different parts of the US.

"Northeast. Heat waves, heavy downpours and sea level rise pose growing challenges to many aspects of life in the Northeast. Infrastructure, agriculture, fisheries and ecosystems will be increasingly compromised. Many states and cities are beginning to incorporate climate change into their planning.

Northwest. Changes in the timing of streamflow reduce water supplies for competing demands. Sea level rise, erosion, inundation, risks to infrastructure and increasing ocean acidity pose major threats. Increasing wildfire, insect outbreaks and tree diseases are causing widespread tree die-off.

Southeast. Sea level rise poses widespread and continuing threats to the region’s economy and environment. Extreme heat will affect health, energy, agriculture and more. Decreased water availability will have economic and environmental impacts.

Midwest. Extreme heat, heavy downpours and flooding will affect infrastructure, health, agriculture, forestry, transportation, air and water quality, and more. Climate change will also exacerbate a range of risks to the Great Lakes.

Southwest. Increased heat, drought and insect outbreaks, all linked to climate change, have increased wildfires. Declining water supplies, reduced agricultural yields, health impacts in cities due to heat, and flooding and erosion in coastal areas are additional concerns."

Effects | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

That we are now running out of time in avoiding many of the devastating effects of climate change.

Tipping Points That Could Unleash a Planetary Emergency Are Now Active, Scientists Warn

Last decade ‘almost certain’ to have been hottest on record, climate experts warn | The Independent

'Unprecedented' Rains in East Africa Offer a Glimpse of the Climate Emergency
 
Fossil fuel companies and other powerful interest group have started to give up on denying climate change in their propaganda. While they still continue to try delay action on climate change but with new tactics.

"“First of all, there is an attempt being made by them to deflect attention away from finding policy solutions to global warming towards promoting individual behaviour changes that affect people’s diets, travel choices and other personal behaviour,” said Mann. “This is a deflection campaign and a lot of well-meaning people have been taken in by it.”

Mann stressed that individual actions – eating less meat or avoiding air travel – were important in the battle against global warming. However, they should be seen as additional ways to combat global warming rather than as a substitute for policy reform.

“We should also be aware how the forces of denial are exploiting the lifestyle change movement to get their supporters to argue with each other. It takes pressure off attempts to regulate the fossil fuel industry. This approach is a softer form of denial and in many ways it is more pernicious.”

Climate change deniers’ new battle front attacked | Science | The Guardian
 
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“Not Worthy Of Any Consensus” …4 Renowned Scientists Expose Major IPCC Shortcomings: “Models Clearly Erroneous”

By P Gosselin on 6. December 2019
The Munich Climate Conference 2019

By Dr. Andreas Mueller
(Summarized by P. Gosselin)
Last weekend the climate conference by the Germany-based European Institute for Climate and Energy EIKE took place in Munich, despite threats by leftist radicals.
More than a dozen leading international climate experts presented views that severely challenge mainstream alarmist climate science.
1. Alps glaciers smaller than today during much of the Holocene
Among the speakers was Prof. em. Christian Schlüchter is a leading Swiss geologist who studied the glaciers of the Alps in great detail for decades. In his talk he reported his findings from very old timber found in and below glaciers, and what those ancient tree remnants tell us about the glacial epochs of the Alps.

Image: EIKE​
Schlüchter’s findings involve paleoclimatic records (timber, turfs, insects, etc.) found and dated using 14C as a standard method. The most important slide of his talk shows the last 12,000 years:
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His findings show that for long periods of time in the last 12,000 years, temperatures were higher than in 2005. Early on, from 10,000 to 8,800 BC, and again in the last few hundred years, temperatures were significantly lower.
The key message is that the alpine glacier extent was often smaller than in 2005. The timberline was at least 300 meters higher, which indicates a minimum of 1.8° C higher temperatures than today. An example of this is Hannibal, who managed to cross the Alps with elephants during the Roman times.
Schlüchter summarized that more than 50% of the last 11000 years alpine glaciers were smaller than 2005 and that events of glacier growth were fast and short. Also the little ice age (from the end of the medieval warm period to about 1850) was the longest glacier extension since the last ice age 12,000 years ago,
2. IPCC models have substantial shortcomings

Also speaking at the conference was Italian physicist and climate modeler Nicola Scafetta, a well-known critic of IPCC climate models. His talk in Munich again examined the substantial shortcomings of IPCC climate models:

Image: EIKE​
Scafetta discussed several areas where the climate models constantly fail. A key case is the Medieval Warm Period, which he showed together with the Roman Warm Period and the Modern Warm Period:
On the following slide, Prof. Scafetta shows how the IPCC models (light blue line) fail to reproduce the Medieval Warm Period (red real data) in the left part of the chart:
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Image: EIKE​
According to Scafetta, the models the IPCC uses are not capable of reproducing climate variations, which follow periodic solar activity.
The following chart compares the IPCC 2013 models to that of his own model (yellow area):
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Both are not perfect and so indeed contradict any claim that the “science is settled”. But Scafetta’s model appears to be much more on track than the IPCC models.
Scafetta concludes:
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continued . . . .
 
3. Nir Shaviv: CO2 climate sensitivity largely overestimated

Renowned Israeli astrophysicist Nir Shaviv continued where Scafetta left off, presenting the IPCC world and its errors. Shaviv emphasized that the climate sensitivity of CO2 is unknown and largely overestimated by the IPCC:

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The Israeli astrophysicist judged the IPCC leaving out the sun as a driver “a severe shortcoming”, saying that the IPCC overestimates climate sensitivity of CO2 at the expense of solar influences.
While IPCC modelers managed to hide this for 20th century data, it will lead to a serious overestimate of temperatures in the 21st when solar influences will be cooling, according to the the Israeli scientist. Shaviv therefore expects a much lower temperature rise than that predicted by the IPCC.
Shaviv summarized:
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Image: EIKE​
4. Sun, clouds have huge impact on climate, IPCC ignores
Danish physicist and climate researcher Henrik Svensmark talked how he found it more and more difficult to raise funding for his research because the results contradict the IPCC.
Svensmark investigated the mechanism of how cosmic rays impact the creation of climate-crucial clouds. This happens through creation of ions which serve as clouding seeds in the atmosphere:
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Image: EIKE​
By experiments and by correlation measurements, Svensmark investigated the mechanism of cloud creation by cosmic rays. IPCC researchers already cite a reduction of cloud creation as a possible positive feedback mechanism, which could escalate global warming to catastrophic levels, and so Svensmark’s research needs to be addressed seriously.
The importance of cloud creation as a cooling climate factor is regarded as undisputed, Svensmark’s conclusion:
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Image: EIKE​
Scientific summary

Overall, as a physicist, I found the 4 ground-breaking scientists presented results that make it seem highly improbable that the IPCC climate models are complete and reliable. The IPCC models are hardly worthy of any 97% consensus.
 
Greta Thunberg's response to the deniers.

"The endless conspiracy theories and denial of facts.
The lies, the hate and the bullying of children who communicate and act on the science.
All because some adults - terrified of change - so desperately don't want to talk about the #ClimateCrisis
This is hope in disguise.
We're winning."

Greta Thunberg - The endless conspiracy theories and... | Facebook
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Here is some links their you can read about the science and the urgent need for action.

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Fourth National Climate Assessment

That even federal agencies under Donald Trump have to acknowledge the urgent need for action.
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I will not read things that plainly you have never read.

You will need to quote from them, with quotes that supporty your arguments, for me to think you have read them.

Religious types always refer to some irrelavent too long to read drivel to avoid actually discussing the issue.
 
Tim the plumber said:
I will not read things that plainly you have never read.

You will need to quote from them, with quotes that supporty your arguments, for me to think you have read them.

Religious types always refer to some irrelavent too long to read drivel to avoid actually discussing the issue.
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Here are quote from the sources.

"The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1

Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale. This body of data, collected over many years, reveals the signals of a changing climate."

The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.2 Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. There is no question that increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response."

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

"The impacts of climate change are already being felt in communities across the country. More frequent and intense extreme weather and climate-related events, as well as changes in average climate conditions, are expected to continue to damage infrastructure, ecosystems, and social systems that provide essential benefits to communities. Future climate change is expected to further disrupt many areas of life, exacerbating existing challenges to prosperity posed by aging and deteriorating infrastructure, stressed ecosystems, and economic inequality. Impacts within and across regions will not be distributed equally. People who are already vulnerable, including lower-income and other marginalized communities, have lower capacity to prepare for and cope with extreme weather and climate-related events and are expected to experience greater impacts. Prioritizing adaptation actions for the most vulnerable populations would contribute to a more equitable future within and across communities. Global action to significantly cut greenhouse gas emissions can substantially reduce climate-related risks and increase opportunities for these populations in the longer term."

Fourth National Climate Assessment

There Trump also have tried to influence the agencies by for example appointing a former climate deniers as head for NASA, but there Trump failed because the evidence is so overwhelming.

Trump's NASA Chief Changed His Mind on Climate Change. He Is a Scientific Hero. | Space
 
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