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Close to Half of All Cars Sold in Norway so Far This Year Are Electric

Lord of Planar said:
Here in Portlandia, we get an average of 42" of rain a year. Then on top of that, my chances of dying on my commute probably increase by a factor of 100,000 or so.
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Are you a wimp? Portland is one of the best bicycling cities in the US. I cycled for many years in bike-friendly Colorado, and I always heard the stories - that Portland was even more bike-friendly.

Bicycling in Portland | Fodor's Travel

Bicycling is a cultural phenomenon in Portland—likely the most beloved mode of transportation in the city. Besides the sheer numbers of cyclists you see on roads and pathways, you'll find well-marked bike lanes and signs reminding motorists to yield to cyclists.
 
Media_Truth said:
Are you a wimp? Portland is one of the best bicycling cities in the US. I cycled for many years in bike-friendly Colorado, and I always heard the stories - that Portland was even more bike-friendly.

Bicycling in Portland | Fodor's Travel

Bicycling is a cultural phenomenon in Portland—likely the most beloved mode of transportation in the city. Besides the sheer numbers of cyclists you see on roads and pathways, you'll find well-marked bike lanes and signs reminding motorists to yield to cyclists.
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Yes, we know you are part of, and believe all the media propaganda out there.

I didn't say people didn't like it. I said there was a greater chance of dying on commutes.
 
My God Media Propaganda.

I have lived in Portlandia since 1994, and the metro area longer. Do you really think you know more from some article than I do?
 
Media_Truth said:
Are you a wimp? Portland is one of the best bicycling cities in the US. I cycled for many years in bike-friendly Colorado, and I always heard the stories - that Portland was even more bike-friendly.

Bicycling in Portland | Fodor's Travel

Bicycling is a cultural phenomenon in Portland—likely the most beloved mode of transportation in the city. Besides the sheer numbers of cyclists you see on roads and pathways, you'll find well-marked bike lanes and signs reminding motorists to yield to cyclists.
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Yes there are a lot of thing cities can do to make biking more easy, fun and safe. Another positive example is Copenhagen, the capital of Denmark. That 41 percent of all trips to work and study to/from Copenhagen is by bike and 62 percent of Copenhageners choose to bike to work and study in Copenhagen.

http://www.cycling-embassy.dk/2017/07/04/copenhagen-city-cyclists-facts-figures-2017/
 
Lord of Planar said:
My God Media Propaganda.

I have lived in Portlandia since 1994, and the metro area longer. Do you really think you know more from some article than I do?
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Well, many climate scientists have been studying climate since before 1994, and you seem to think you know more than all of them because you (mis)read a few papers...
 
Threegoofs said:
Well, many climate scientists have been studying climate since before 1994, and you seem to think you know more than all of them because you (mis)read a few papers...
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Why are you too dense to understand my simple words?

The scientists do not say what the media pundits lie about. There is only a very small number of scientists who actually say what the pundits do. Most are very careful about the words they choose in their papers, leaving the interpretation up to the confirmation bias of the reader.

Like the consensus papers. With the exception of Cook's paper, they are carefully written and clearly do not state the 97% number as most, yet the pundits lie about the results.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Why are you too dense to understand my simple words?

The scientists do not say what the media pundits lie about. There is only a very small number of scientists who actually say what the pundits do. Most are very careful about the words they choose in their papers, leaving the interpretation up to the confirmation bias of the reader.

Like the consensus papers. With the exception of Cook's paper, they are carefully written and clearly do not state the 97% number as most, yet the pundits lie about the results.
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Look at the scientific organizations. It’s almost unanimous agreement.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Now that is a cool concept.
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It is, but it also can’t really be true.

You can’t have 100% efficiency, so you can’t regenerate all the energy from braking- that would be a perpetual motion machine.

But it’s pretty amazing, and undeniably super efficient.
 
Threegoofs said:
It is, but it also can’t really be true.

You can’t have 100% efficiency, so you can’t regenerate all the energy from braking- that would be a perpetual motion machine.

But it’s pretty amazing, and undeniably super efficient.
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I'm sorry you didn't comprehend what the article said.

That said, it doesn't surprise me. Your lack of science has been well noted.
 
Threegoofs said:
No- there is no large protest against these statements by members, and obvious widespread acceptance, based on survey data.
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They are smart enough not to be black-listed. Just look at what happens to the scientists who speak out against the dogma.
 
Threegoofs said:
What did I not ‘comprehend’?
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How could you miss it?

The dump truck, at 45 tons, ascends the 13-percent grade and takes on 65 tons of ore. With more than double the weight going back down the hill, the beast's regenerative braking system recaptures more than enough energy to refill the charge the eDumper used going up.
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Threegoofs said:
Yes, we know. It’s a giant conspiracy.

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Words have meaning. Once again, proving your lack of knowledge in things. That does not constitute a conspiracy.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Yes, we know you are part of, and believe all the media propaganda out there.

I didn't say people didn't like it. I said there was a greater chance of dying on commutes.
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Show your data. It should be available. How many car deaths in the Portland versus how many bike deaths, on a per user basis? Note: Bikes travel at a much slower speed, and are seldom involved in "death" accidents. There are some, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Here’s a pretty amazing electric vehicle.

It looks like it doesn’t need charging much...

World's largest EV never has to be recharged
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Cool, as long as the ore destination is downhill, and the load is shed at the bottom, this could work. Regenerative braking is a huge advantage for all EVs. As this article points out, the heavier the vehicle, the more regenerative efficiency.

Regenerative braking: how it works and is it worth it in small EVs? - Electrek

Fortunately, a number of Tesla drivers have reported back energy contribution data using different data tracking apps. Model S drivers have reported recapturing as much as 32% of their total energy use while driving up and then back downhill. This would effectively increase a 100 mile car’s range to 132 miles, for example. A Model S P85D owner reported approximately 28% energy recapture (forum in Danish) and still others have reported recapturing between 15-20% of their total kWh usage on average during normal trips.
 
Media_Truth said:
Show your data. It should be available. How many car deaths in the Portland versus how many bike deaths, on a per user basis?
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Bike deaths in general are higher per mile traveled than cars. I believe the total nationwide average ranged between 3 to 10 times higher between studies when I looked it up. The data is that broad because there is no solid data.

You sure as a prissy snowflake. You stick to what ever article agrees with your confirmation bias, and demand others prove their point. No matter what I produce, you will call it invalid for some reason, like you always do.

You linked an article from Foders Travel. Hardly an authority on fact, since it's travel guide that gets input from advertisers. For you to expect me to do better, when you should easily find the same research...

I have better things to do, than look up something I did before.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
48.4% of the cars sold in Norway during the first half of this year were powered by a completely electric engine.

Norway Sold More Electric Vehicles in First Half of Year

You also have intersting trials with electrified roads in several countries.

World's first electrified public road opens in Sweden - The Local

Germany Installed Cables Over a Highway to Power Electric Trucks
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Most electricity produced in Norway is hydroelectric or geothermal, which make electrical cars environmentally practical.

This does not apply to the US, where most electricity is generated from carbon fuels.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Bike deaths in general are higher per mile traveled than cars. I believe the total nationwide average ranged between 3 to 10 times higher between studies when I looked it up. The data is that broad because there is no solid data.

You sure as a prissy snowflake. You stick to what ever article agrees with your confirmation bias, and demand others prove their point. No matter what I produce, you will call it invalid for some reason, like you always do.

You linked an article from Foders Travel. Hardly an authority on fact, since it's travel guide that gets input from advertisers. For you to expect me to do better, when you should easily find the same research...

I have better things to do, than look up something I did before.
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You never look up anything.
 
LowDown said:
Most electricity produced in Norway is hydroelectric or geothermal, which make electrical cars environmentally practical.

This does not apply to the US, where most electricity is generated from carbon fuels.
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Over 3 million US homeowners have installed solar PV systems, and that number is on a steady ascent. Many are using SolarEdge systems to recharge their electric cars from the sun. I have a usage statement from a gentleman in Vancouver, which is a relatively cloudy area. Even in a cloudy climate, his average generation would charge a Tesla Model 3 with 2 days of solar production. And that's good for 300 miles, almost 10x as much as the average commute. If you doubt this, I would be glad to post his summary. His excess generation pays for his household electricity use.
 
Media_Truth said:
Show your data. It should be available. How many car deaths in the Portland versus how many bike deaths, on a per user basis? Note: Bikes travel at a much slower speed, and are seldom involved in "death" accidents. There are some, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree.
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You also have the fact that for example European countries with less car dependency and more trips by bike, walking and public transport have overall a lot less traffic deaths per capita compared to the US.

List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia
 
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