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Arctic Ocean and Greenland ice sheet see record June melting

vegas giants said:
There it is folks.


He has no data


Hahahahaha
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Oh I have it....but you stated you wont accept it befote I even posted it. Which lets face it.....thats what being a lefty is all about. If you were actually interested in Science you would have worked with me to find the actual facts.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Oh I have it....but you stated you wont accept it befote I even posted it. Which lets face it.....thats what being a lefty is all about. If you were actually interested in Science you would have worked with me to find the actual facts.
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You have nothing


Nada


Zilch



You should be embarrased and skulk away. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
You have nothing


Nada


Zilch



You should be embarrased and skulk away. Lol
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says the guy that thinks Manhattan is being flooded by meltwater from the arctic.....no wait...it was just Battery Park....lol. no wait..no one sees any water rise there either but its there! I love the gravity holding it there armchair science. Priceless...I'm thinking you hunt for bigfoot and aliens as well donchya? Bigfoot is real..thats your argument here. Bigfoot.
 
AlphaOmega said:
says the guy that thinks Manhattan is being flooded by meltwater from the arctic.....no wait...it was just Battery Park....lol. no wait..no one sees any water rise there either but its there! I love the gravity holding it there armchair science. Priceless...I'm thinking you hunt for bigfoot and aliens as well donchya? Bigfoot is real..thats your argument here. Bigfoot.
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For days and days you have been bragging about all these maps you have


But nothing


Nada



Zilch



You lost



You got crushed



Hahahahaha
 
vegas giants said:
For days and days you have been bragging about all these maps you have


But nothing


Nada



Zilch



You lost



You got crushed



Hahahahaha
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You stated you wont accept this factual science. Why would I bother doing real science only for you to apply bigfoot is real mentality to it. Facebook is ideal for many like you. You can go squatchin all you want there. Hey, who would win in a fight..bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster?
 
AlphaOmega said:
You stated you wont accept this factual science. Why would I bother doing real science only for you to apply bigfoot is real mentality to it. Facebook is ideal for many like you. You can go squatchin all you want there. Hey, who would win in a fight..bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster?
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Your posts have been moved to beta level status. I feel like I am just beating up on you now. Feel free to carry on. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
Your posts have been moved to beta level status. I feel like I am just beating up on you now. Feel free to carry on. Lol
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bigfoot or loch ness...<That is what your 9" gravity water rise at battery park sounds like to real scientists. Pretty bad when you were so afraid of actual science you had to deny it before I even posted it. You sound like a science guy...lol
 
Buzz said:
While I truly appreciate you trying to back yourself up for once... what good is a pay-walled study I'm not going to pay to look at?

Do you mind providing some quotes that back you up?
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My God man. Just stop. Beach restoration on the east coast is a common thing. They've been doing it since the 20's.
 
[h=2]New Study: Arctic Waters Were 4°C Warmer Than Today And Nearly Sea-Ice Free Year-Round ~4100 Years Ago[/h]By Kenneth Richard on 28. May 2020
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[h=4]Today, the region north of Svalbard is encrusted with sea ice for all but a few weeks per year and summer sea surface temperatures (SSTs) hover near 0°C. Scientists (Brice et al., 2020) have determined this same region had sea ice-free conditions last about 10 months per year while SSTs reached 4°C just ~4100 years ago.[/h]In early September, 2019, Arctic explorers once again needed to be rescued from the “disappearing” sea ice that had captured their ship in central Svalbard. This region is presently free of sea ice for only a few weeks per year (late August).
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[h=6]Image Source: electroverse.net[/h]Observational measurements (Rösel et al., 2018) of the sea ice north of Svalbard indicate the ice has actually been significantly thicker in recent years (1.56 to 1.65 meters in 2015, 2017) than it was in 1955 (0.94 of a meter). . . .
 
In Greenland’s Melting Ice, A Warning on Hard Climate Choices - Yale E360

Greenland is melting at an unprecedented rate, causing vast quantities of ice to disappear and global sea levels to rise. The fate of the ice sheet is not sealed, but unless CO2 emissions are sharply cut, the long-term existence of Greenland’s ice is in doubt.
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I know this was only written by a science journalist and stuck to evidence and quoting scientists, so there’s that.

Not sure why they haven’t consulted the armchair scientists here or random UK plumbers who took physics in high school, but it is what it is...
 
Threegoofs said:
In Greenland’s Melting Ice, A Warning on Hard Climate Choices - Yale E360



I know this was only written by a science journalist and stuck to evidence and quoting scientists, so there’s that.

Not sure why they haven’t consulted the armchair scientists here or random UK plumbers who took physics in high school, but it is what it is...
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The loss is miniscule, and would take thousands of years to make a noticeable difference.

Greenland Endures

annual ice mass loss to the amount of ice in the Greenland ice sheet. The Greenland ice sheet contains ... of the Greenland ice sheet: ... Figure 3. Changes in the total mass of the Greenland ice sheet.

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[h=4]Greenland retained 99.7% of its ice mass in 20th Century!!![/h][FONT=&quot]December 30, 2015[/FONT]
 
Threegoofs said:
In Greenland’s Melting Ice, A Warning on Hard Climate Choices - Yale E360



I know this was only written by a science journalist and stuck to evidence and quoting scientists, so there’s that.

Not sure why they haven’t consulted the armchair scientists here or random UK plumbers who took physics in high school, but it is what it is...
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Jon Gertner is a journalist and historian
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Maybe becaue the charlitan would be forced to understand that his is lying.
 
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[h=1]Forget Sea Level Rise: Ocean Deepening Is Here![/h][FONT=&quot]Guest “truth is stranger than friction” by David Middleton Alternate Title: The Cretaceous Sea Level Paradox Oceans are at their deepest in 250 million yearsAnd they have hardly been deeper in the last 400 million years than now. Lasse BiørnstadJOURNALISTPUBLISHED Monday 08. june 2020 – 12:24“It moves absurdly slowly,” says Krister Karlsen. He is a…
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[h=2]Greenland’s Kilometers-Thick Ice Sheet Routinely Disappears (‘Ice-Free’) When CO2 Levels Hover Below 280 ppm[/h]By Kenneth Richard on 22. June 2020
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[h=4]There is no apparent connection between Greenland’s ice melt and atmospheric CO2 concentrations.[/h]The ice that blankets Greenland today stands over 3 kilometers high. This ice volume can almost completely vanish – with just a tiny ice cap in the eastern highlands remaining – when CO2 concentrations only reach pre-1750 levels, or 260 to 280 ppm.
For about 280,000 of the last 2.6 million years (encompassing the Pleistocene Ice Age), Greenland was ice-free (Schaefer et al., 2016).
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[h=6]Image Source: Schaefer et al., 2016[/h]For the last few centuries, the volume of ice on the Greenland ice sheet has been much larger than it has been for all of the last 10,000 years (Mikkelson et al., 2018). . . .
 
The extreme heatwave in Siberia is causing massive ice loss as well as thawing permafrosts.

"The ice along the shores of Siberia has the appearance of Swiss cheese right now in satellite images, with big areas of open water that would normally still be covered. The sea ice extent in the Laptev Sea, north of Russia, is the lowest recorded for this time of year since satellite observations began.

The loss of sea ice also affects the temperature, creating a feedback loop. Earth’s ice and snow cover reflect the Sun’s incoming energy, helping to keep the region cool. When that reflective cover is gone, the dark ocean and land absorb the heat, further raising the surface temperature.

Sea surface temperatures are already unusually high along parts of the Siberian Coast, and the warm ocean waters will lead to more melting...

When permafrost thaws under homes and bridges, infrastructure can sink, tilt and collapse. Alaskans have been contending with this for several years. Near Norilsk, Russia, thawing permafrost was blamed for an oil tank collapse in late May that spilled thousands of tons of oil into a river.

Thawing permafrost also creates a less obvious but even more damaging problem. When the ground thaws, microbes in the soil begin turning its organic matter into carbon dioxide and methane. Both are greenhouse gases that further warm the planet.

In a study published last year, researchers found that permafrost test sites around the world had warmed by nearly half a degree Fahrenheit on average over the decade from 2007 to 2016. The greatest increase was in Siberia, where some areas had warmed by 1.6 degrees. The current Siberian heat wave, especially if it continues, will regionally exacerbate that permafrost warming and thawing."

100 degrees in Siberia? 5 ways the extreme Arctic heat wave follows a disturbing pattern
 
[h=2]Surprise: North Atlantic Region Has Cooled By Almost 1°C Over Past 120 Years[/h]By P Gosselin on 15. July 2020
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By Die kalte Sonne

Atlantic region near Iceland has cooled over the past 120 years. Image: NASA (public domain)​
(German text translated by P. Gosselin)
There are areas of the world that stubbornly resist “global warming”. These include an oceanic region near Iceland where sea surface temperatures have cooled by almost 1°C in the last 120 years.
Allan & Allan 2019 have examined the “cold blob” more closely and suspect that the summer ice melt will cause cold melt water to flow into the ocean, which will then lead to the winter cold of the sea area.
The researchers disagree with the model by Stefan Rahmstorf from Potsdam, who suggested a weakening of the Gulf Stream as the cause of the “cold blob”.
Here’s the abstract of Allan & Allan 2019:
Seasonal Changes in the North Atlantic Cold Anomaly: The Influence of Cold Surface Waters From Coastal Greenland and Warming Trends Associated With Variations in Subarctic Sea Ice Cover
Worldwide sea surface temperatures (SST) have increased on average by about 1 °C since 1900 with the exception of a region of the North Atlantic subpolar gyre near 50°N which has cooled by up to 0.9 °C over the same period, generating the negative feature on temperature anomaly maps which has been colloquially described by Rahmstorf et al. (2015, https://doi.org/10.1038/nclimate2554) as the “cold blob” (abbreviated here CB). This unique long‐term surface cooling trend is most evident in February, but in August net warming is observed even at CB epicenter and the CB itself is reduced to a mere “warming hole.” These seasonal changes in the intensity of the CB are the product of two separate factors: (1) a long‐term winter cooling specific for the CB region which appears to be associated with cooling of Greenland coastal waters in autumn, plausibly linked to summer meltwater from icebergs and sea ice and (2) summer warming effects which derive from (a) dramatic reduction in summer sea ice cover in the sub‐Arctic over the last 30 years that allows enhanced absorption of sunlight by the new open water in summer and (b) an unusual period of increased summer sub‐Arctic ice cover in the early twentieth century, which lowers the SST baseline measured from 1900, thus increasing the calculated linear rate of change of SST with time. Both of these effects could contribute to the observed Arctic amplification of warming.”
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Jack Hays said:
[h=2]Surprise: North Atlantic Region Has Cooled By Almost 1°C Over Past 120 Years[/h]By P Gosselin on 15. July 2020
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By Die kalte Sonne

Atlantic region near Iceland has cooled over the past 120 years. Image: NASA (public domain)​
(German text translated by P. Gosselin)
There are areas of the world that stubbornly resist “global warming”. These include an oceanic region near Iceland where sea surface temperatures have cooled by almost 1°C in the last 120 years.
Allan & Allan 2019 have examined the “cold blob” more closely and suspect that the summer ice melt will cause cold melt water to flow into the ocean, which will then lead to the winter cold of the sea area.
The researchers disagree with the model by Stefan Rahmstorf from Potsdam, who suggested a weakening of the Gulf Stream as the cause of the “cold blob”.
Here’s the abstract of Allan & Allan 2019:
Seasonal Changes in the North Atlantic Cold Anomaly: The Influence of Cold Surface Waters From Coastal Greenland and Warming Trends Associated With Variations in Subarctic Sea Ice Cover
Worldwide sea surface temperatures (SST) have increased on average by about 1 °C since 1900 with the exception of a region of the North Atlantic subpolar gyre near 50°N which has cooled by up to 0.9 °C over the same period, generating the negative feature on temperature anomaly maps which has been colloquially described by Rahmstorf et al. (2015, https://doi.org/10.1038/nclimate2554) as the “cold blob” (abbreviated here CB). This unique long‐term surface cooling trend is most evident in February, but in August net warming is observed even at CB epicenter and the CB itself is reduced to a mere “warming hole.” These seasonal changes in the intensity of the CB are the product of two separate factors: (1) a long‐term winter cooling specific for the CB region which appears to be associated with cooling of Greenland coastal waters in autumn, plausibly linked to summer meltwater from icebergs and sea ice and (2) summer warming effects which derive from (a) dramatic reduction in summer sea ice cover in the sub‐Arctic over the last 30 years that allows enhanced absorption of sunlight by the new open water in summer and (b) an unusual period of increased summer sub‐Arctic ice cover in the early twentieth century, which lowers the SST baseline measured from 1900, thus increasing the calculated linear rate of change of SST with time. Both of these effects could contribute to the observed Arctic amplification of warming.”
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Hey Jack, do you know the difference between the North Atlantic Region and a region of the North Atlantic?
 
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