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Arctic Ocean and Greenland ice sheet see record June melting

Tim the plumber said:

Tell me what is the total surface area of thos glaciers?

Then multiply by .007. That will give you the Gt number. Then divided that by 360 to get the number of mm the sea level will rise by. Easy even for you.
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Surface area?

Mass balance, dude.

That’s the measurement.
 
Tim the plumber said:
The measurement is, for those who can't read a graph or look up the link hwere it came from, per square meter.
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I guess I don’t understand science as well as you do.

I thought that ‘mass balance’ on the graph meant mass balance.

Now I see that the greatest scientists among us know that it really means ‘surface area’.

Those stupid glaciologists thinking glaciers can lose mass from anywhere other than the top!

Thank god we have smart cookies like Tim who never saw a glacier on his life or took a course on glaciology to let us all know the people who have studied this for 30+ years are totally confused.
 
Threegoofs said:
Yes.

It’s sure suspicious they only follow SOME of the worlds glaciers in detail.

And they obviously picked the ones that were going to melt when they picked them 30 years ago.

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I find it hilarious how you just deny everything you can possibly think of, even if it’s totally bst**** crazy.

And you ignore the post that it responded to- stating ‘glaciers are returning stronger than evah!’
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I'm saying the amount is small. Doesn't much matter. First, we haven't finished coming out of the last ice age. Second of all, albedo decreases melt ice faster than warming increases.

How about telling us how much these glaciers add to the sea level rise? Bet you can't...
 
Lord of Planar said:
I'm saying the amount is small. Doesn't much matter. First, we haven't finished coming out of the last ice age. Second of all, albedo decreases melt ice faster than warming increases.

How about telling us how much these glaciers add to the sea level rise? Bet you can't...
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Denier apologist working OT.
 
Threegoofs said:
I guess I don’t understand science as well as you do.

I thought that ‘mass balance’ on the graph meant mass balance.

Now I see that the greatest scientists among us know that it really means ‘surface area’.

Those stupid glaciologists thinking glaciers can lose mass from anywhere other than the top!

Thank god we have smart cookies like Tim who never saw a glacier on his life or took a course on glaciology to let us all know the people who have studied this for 30+ years are totally confused.
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No. The mass balance per square meter.

It is so hard to get through to you. The secret is to read the link......
 
Jan 2020: Coldest ever day in Greenland -65C comes, goes, no one notices


The coldest ever day recorded in Greenland stands at -63.3 C (minus 81 F). But on January 2nd in 2020, after Greenland suffered a century of global warming, the thermometer at Summit Camp sunk to at least -64.9C. I say, at least, because it may have been even colder. Sharp eyes of Cap Allon at Electroverse saw it hit minus 66C. Ryan Maue also saw it and predicted there would be cold as the Arctic Oscillation broke down.

4:13 AM · Jan 4, 2020​
I sought confirmation at the time (among the Bushfire days in Australia). I looked for any official tweet even, but couldn’t find any. How’s that work — a new all time record for a whole continent for any month of the year, and no one who was paid to care about these things even writes a paragraph?
Good for Paul Homewood, who wrote to the DMI (Danish Met Institute) and has now confirmed that the NOAA GeoSummit records showed it got down to -64.9 C, an all time record.

John Cappelen: I have now had the opportunity to go through the American observations from NOAA GeoSummit from January 2, 2020 . I have at NOAA’s wab-site found January 2020 ftp data up to January 15, 2020.
January 2, 2020 was a cold day at SUMMIT and 23:13 utc the temperature had a minimum -64,9C…the same temperature was registered 23:15 and also 23:16 utc….data looks all right…

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That’s nearly three degrees cooler than the record for January at Summit Camp:
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Paul Homewood writes that it’s a record one way or the other:
Although the DMI equipment has now been closed, it was at the same location as the Geo Summit, so readings should be comparable.
Quite clearly then, a new record low has been set for both Summit and Greenland. Whether it is –64.9C, as stated by John Cappelen, or the graphic reading from Electroverse remains a mystery.
Nevertheless, we await the new record to be officially declared by NOAA, and reported in the world’s press!
Compare this to the rush to declare the highest ever June temperature in Greenland last year which was announced in the newspapers but turned out to be wrong and was quietly corrected a week later. From Anthony Watts at WUWT August 2019 “Shoot out the headlines first, ask questions later.”
Danish climate body wrongly reported Greenland heat record
The Danish Meteorological Institute, which has a key role in monitoring Greenland’s climate, last week reported a shocking August temperature of between 2.7C and 4.7C at the Summit weather station, which is located 3,202m above sea level at the the centre of the Greenland ice sheet, generating a spate of global headlines.
But on Wednesday it posted a tweet saying that a closer look had shown that monitoring equipment had been giving erroneous results.
“Was there record-level warmth on the inland ice on Friday?” it said. “No! A quality check has confirmed out suspicion that the measurement was too high.”. . . .

 
Tim the plumber said:
The measurement is, for those who can't read a graph or look up the link hwere it came from, per square meter.
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And the glaciers are losing square meters constantly. It’s not like they are just getting thinner.. they’re thinner AND smaller.
 
Threegoofs said:
And the glaciers are losing square meters constantly. It’s not like they are just getting thinner.. they’re thinner AND smaller.
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The graph, the data you presented, shows mass loss per square meter. It does not say anything about loss of area of glacier. Try to keep on subject.
 
Tim the plumber said:
The graph, the data you presented, shows mass loss per square meter. It does not say anything about loss of area of glacier. Try to keep on subject.
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In n other words, it’s all fine. We just have to pretend glaciers are not shrinking.

Brilliant. [emoji849]
 
Threegoofs said:
In n other words, it’s all fine. We just have to pretend glaciers are not shrinking.

Brilliant. [emoji849]
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That the reduction in glacier area is somewhat relavent to the thread is not the same as it being all that relavent to the ice mass loss. You would have to understand very basic maths to work that out.
 
Tim the plumber said:


That the reduction in glacier area is somewhat relavent to the thread is not the same as it being all that relavent to the ice mass loss. You would have to understand very basic maths to work that out.
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Yes.

It all returns to your awesome mastery of simple arithmetic.
 
[h=2]Exchange Of Arctic Research Crew Gets Delayed As Supply Ice Breaker Blocked By Unexpected “Dense Sea Ice”[/h]By P Gosselin on 26. February 2020
Lately we’ve been hearing reports of how Arctic sea ice has (unexpectedly) reached normal levels this winter. This is a bit of good news which the media avoid mentioning.
But the resurgence of Arctic ice has hardly been good news for global warming alarmists, and especially for the 300 crew members of German high-tech research vessel Polarstern of the Alfred Wegener Institute (AWI), now currently on expedition in the mid Arctic.

Exchange of Polarstern research vessel crew will have to sit tight as Russian supply ice breaker gets held up. Image: Alfred Wegener Institute. ​
Yesterday NDR German public broadcasting reported that it appears the Polarstern’s crew will have to sit tight for awhile longer because a Russian ice breaker for exchanging the crew has had too much difficulty breaking its way through the ice to the research vessel. The sea ice is thicker than anticipated.
The NDR reports: “There are problems with the Arctic expedition of the Alfred Wegener Institute in Bremerhaven. The crew on the research vessel ‘Polarstern’ have to stay on site longer than expected.”
“Dense ice”

The problem is that the Russian supply icebreaker became bogged in “the dense sea ice of the Arctic” and now “is making little progress”. The ice has been too thick for the Russian ice breaker to make its way as planned.
The Polarstern research vessel of the AWI MOSAiC expedition departed mainland Europe last September and has since lodged itself in the middle of the Arctic ice through the winter as part of an Arctic research expedition. It will return back to its home-port of Bremerhaven in early October of this year.
The “MOSAiC” expedition is one of the largest Arctic expeditions ever with scientists from 20 nations studying “the climate processes of the central Arctic”. The crew of 300 on board the Polarstern is supplied and exchanged at about every three months by “an international fleet of icebreakers, helicopters and aircraft,” Radio Bremen reported.
Thick ice caused breaker to run out of fuel
Just recently Russian supply ice breaker “Captain Dranitsyn” was headed over to carry out a scheduled “crew exchange” but ended up consuming too much fuel trying to break through the “up to 160 centimeters thick” sea ice, Radio Bremen reported. Now the supply icebreaker “no longer has enough fuel for the return trip because of the high energy consumption in the ice.”
There were “few open or thin spots,” one official explained.
“According to a spokesperson, the Alfred Wegener Institute (AWI) in Bremerhaven is now looking for solutions, and several options already prepared for such situations are being examined,” writes Radio Bremen.
The cost of the Polarstern MOSAiC expedition is 160 million euros.
 
Finnish Meteorological Institute Reports Northern Hemisphere Snow Mass “Highest Levels In Year”!

By P Gosselin on 8. March 2020
German broadcaster RTL here reported how Northern Hemisphere snow mass has reached the highest level in years.
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The Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) reports the total amount of snow in the northern hemisphere this winter season has been well above the long-term average from 1982 to 2012.
This will come as a surprise to Europeans, who have seen one of the mildest winters on record. According to RTL, “In those places where it was cold enough for snow at all, there was a lot of snow. The snow is meters high, higher than usual.”
Snow cover trending upwards since 1990

Looking at the northern Hemisphere snow cover charts from Rutgers University Global Snow Lab, northern hemisphere snow cover (area) has been on the rise since reaching a low in 1990.

Record-breaking snow across Montana and South Dakota
Meanwhile weather site Electroverse reports of “record breaking February snowfall” burying Montana and South Dakota. According to Electroverse, “The cold times are returning” due to reversing natural cycles.

Record Breaking February Snowfall Buries the U.S. States of Montana and South Dakota

It was snowiest Feb on record across Montana and South Dakota — the cold times are returning in line with historically low solar activity, cloud-nucleating Cosmic Rays, and a Meridional jet stream flow…




 
Ice sheet alarmism debunked:

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[h=1]Graphing The Icy Reality[/h][FONT=&quot]Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach Today I saw some scary headlines. I post them up along with snippets of the stories. First, from the BBC: Greenland and Antarctica ice loss accelerating Earth’s great ice sheets, Greenland and Antarctica, are now losing mass six times faster than they were in the 1990s thanks to warming conditions.…
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