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Arctic Ocean and Greenland ice sheet see record June melting

code1211 said:
You forgot to mention the desertification of Northern Africa, the filling of the Mediterranean Sea with Salt Water and the commencement of regularly occurring Ice Ages.

Damn those SUV's!
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The Mediterranean Sea might be where the Garden of Eden was. It was most likely in my view where Noah built his ark.
 
calamity said:
I hope you are joking
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Do you think it was a sea during the ice age?

Lower elevation, warmer weather, etc.

Do you understand the basics of how topography affects climate?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Do you think it was a sea during the ice age?

Lower elevation, warmer weather, etc.

Do you understand the basics of how topography affects climate?
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I know exactly what the Med Sea was for about 5 million years. :roll:

You should too. Google it.
 
calamity said:
I know exactly what the Med Sea was for about 5 million years. :roll:

You should too. Google it.
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Maybe so, but such sciences with geological proxies are not definitive.
 
Lord of Planar said:
The Mediterranean Sea might be where the Garden of Eden was. It was most likely in my view where Noah built his ark.
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Black sea. Mediterranean was there before humans. There were species of dwarf elephant we hunted to death on various islands.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Black sea. Mediterranean was there before humans. There were species of dwarf elephant we hunted to death on various islands.
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Yes, our current understanding has the Mediterranean around ten times older than homosapians. I'm only saying we really don't know with certainty, the timelines. I would be interesting to be able to go back in time and see that area before the gates broke.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Yes, our current understanding has the Mediterranean around ten times older than homosapians. I'm only saying we really don't know with certainty, the timelines. I would be interesting to be able to go back in time and see that area before the gates broke.
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Salt deposits 2 miles thick I hear.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I wonder if their defective digital thermometers were by accident or design, that they wouldn't register below -10 C?


Heat waves are normal. So are cold spells. We are increasing temperatures in rural and urban areas. It;s called the urban heat island effect. Consider that even though more people may die from this heat, less people will die from the cold.


In rural and urban areas again, right?

Can you say URBAN... HEAT... ISLAND... EFFECT???

Climate is always changes. Are you so arrogant to think we can control nature?
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Are you so arrogant that you make a claim, WITHOUT A LINK, that contradicts all the leading scientific organizations in the world?
 
Media_Truth said:
Are you so arrogant that you make a claim, WITHOUT A LINK, that contradicts all the leading scientific organizations in the world?
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My statement is the known truth. Do you have a legitimate source that disagrees that heat cycles and cold spells are not cyclical? Are you claiming the heat island effect does not exists?

You have gone off the rails again...
 
calamity said:
I know exactly what the Med Sea was for about 5 million years. :roll:

You should too. Google it.
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"Google it". When is the last time you saw a link posted by LOP? He doesn't need to link to the study of any of the experts, because he knows it all.
 
[h=2]Arctic Sea Ice Surprise Global Warming Experts By Remaining Stable This Decade[/h]By P Gosselin on 28. June 2019
[h=2]Reports of shrinking sea ice are fake news[/h]By Snowfan (June 19)
The Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI) expects sea ice extent growth in June 2019:

The DMI plot for the development of Arctic sea ice area (extent) from June 1979 to the PROGNOSE for June, 2019. Since 2010, i.e. 9 years ago, the sea ice areas of the Arctic have been growing in trend. Reports about disappearing sea ice in the Arctic are fake news. See also: No ice melting in the Arctic in this decade. Source: DMI-Plots Ice Cover


 
Threegoofs said:
Believes in the Great Flood.

Tells others that they don’t understand science.

Classic.
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I don't deny things that are possible. I never said it was a certainty, did I...

Your confirmation must lead you astray in life often.

I pity you.

Even with Mediterranean existing in the early Biblical times, heavy rains and the river waters would have overwhelmed the sea level of the area. Have you ever seen underwater pictures of areas that were once ancient cities? Remember than man existed before the ice age ended. The sea level was a few hundred meters lower. The Straits of Gibraltar may have been a waterfall instead of at sea level.

Ever look at Google Maps, where there are clear examples of rivers under the ocean?

Look what the Mighty Columbia River has done west of Astoria:

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Ocean levels were quite a bit lower during the ice ages. Then here, looks like four head waters in the Mediterranean, off of Spain:

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[h=2]“Sled Dogs In Water” Climate Alarmism Photo Gets Exposed As Bogus By Danish Experts[/h]By P Gosselin on 29. June 2019
Again and again photos are being taken out of context and wild climate alarm stories are being fabricated from them. And once the pictures have made it around the world, those involved end up having to backpedal a few later. In June 2019 it happened again. This time it was a dog sled photo from Greenland. Now German public television
Hat-tip Die kalte Sonne.
[h=3]“Underscores how thick the ice is”[/h]Now NTV German public television reported on 25th June 2019 that a Danish researcher at the Danish Meteorological Institute has since commented on the meltwater photo.
A picture with sled dogs in Greenland arouses emotions worldwide – because it supposedly illustrates climate change. And it does. But only symbolically, as the author of the picture emphasizes. The melt depicted is quite normal.
The picture shows several sled dogs ankle-deep by meltwater off the city of Qaanaaq in northwestern Greenland. A Twitter post with the picture goes viral, has been shared more than 7500 times to date. […] In the meantime, however, Olsen from the Danish Meteorological Institute in Copenhagen has deflated the supposedly explosive message of his photo. He agrees that the picture has “more of a symbolic than a scientific value”, twittered the researcher.
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According to him, the photo in fact underscores how thick the ice is.‘Because the ice is so thick, there are no holes through which the water can run out of the melted snow,’ said Mathiassen, adding that the water pictured, through which the sled dogs at Qaanaaq are scrambling, is not ice melt water, but apparently from melted snow.”
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[h=3]Water on ice in Greenland “entirely normal” in June[/h]
Also sharply criticizing the photo trickery was Björn Lomborg, a Danish statistics professor. A Twitter he posted:
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Bjorn Lomborg@BjornLomborg





Oops
Remember that viral sled-on-water picture showing "our ongoing climate catastrophe" (CNN)?
Turns out it is entirely normal, happened in the 1800s, will probably happen *less* with higher temps
But Al Gore wants permission to use it in his slideshowhttps://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/spring-in-greenland-interpreted-as-climate-change-this-is-completely …


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Greenland ice thickening?
Also recent reports now show that Greenland glacier melt has slowed down markedly. For example, since 2013 the ice at the terminus of the Jakobshavn Isbrae glacier “has stopped decreasing in height and started to thicken”. Read here.
Moreover we reported here yesterday how Arctic sea ice volume has remained steady over the past 15 years.
 
calamity said:
Once again....the heat is on.

Temperatures leap 40 degrees above normal as the Arctic Ocean and Greenland ice sheet see record June melting



Not good.
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It's amazing the Arctic, Greenland, and Alaska have seen such a warm winter and spring. Much of the continental US had a cooler-than-normal winter. Of course, Asia, Europe, Australia and other areas of the world have also experienced extreme heat. Overall trend is looking like 2019 will be the second warmest year ever. Of course, that will further warm the oceans, which will cause even more melting.
 
Media_Truth said:
It's amazing the Arctic, Greenland, and Alaska have seen such a warm winter and spring. Much of the continental US had a cooler-than-normal winter. Of course, Asia, Europe, Australia and other areas of the world have also experienced extreme heat. Overall trend is looking like 2019 will be the second warmest year ever. Of course, that will further warm the oceans, which will cause even more melting.
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Crazy heat waves in Europe and Asia and in the Arctic. US was chilly because a cold air mass that should have been up in the arctic was shoved south.
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=2]Growth Of The Petermann Glacier Since 2012[/h][FONT="]Posted on [URL="https://realclimatescience.com/2019/07/growth-of-the-petermann-glacier-since-2012-2/"]July 1, 2019[/URL] by tonyheller[/FONT]
Greenland’s most famous glacier has grown nearly 10km over the past seven years.
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Wow, the Petermann Glacier grew? Now that is NEWS - especially if bucked the trend of the other 197,999 glaciers in the world.
 
[h=2]Scientist Spots High Geothermal Heat Flux In East Greenland – ‘Dramatic Consequences For Ice Basal Melting’[/h]By Kenneth Richard on 5. July 2019
[h=4]Geothermal heat flux can foment upper mantle temperature anomalies of 800–1000 °C, and these extreme heat intensities have been found to stretch across 500 km of central-east Greenland. This could result in “a significant contribution of ice melt to the ice-drainage system of Greenland” (Artemieva et al., 2019).[/h]Evidence of more than 100,000 formerly or currently active volcanic vents permeate the Earth’s sea floor (Kelley, 2017).
Active volcanoes spew 380°C sulfuric acid and “metal-laden acidic fluids” into the bottom waters of the world ocean on a daily basis. In other words, literal ocean acidification is a natural phenomenon.
The carbon dioxide concentrations present in these acidic floods reach “astounding” levels, dwarfing the potential for us to even begin to appreciate the impact this explosive geothermal activity has on the Earth’s carbon cycle (Kelley, 2017).
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[h=6]Image Source: Kelley, 2017[/h]
 
[h=4]High geothermal heat flux has “dramatic consequences” for ice basal melting in central-eastern Greenland[/h]In a new paper, Dr. Irina Atemieva employs a new method to assess the accelerated basal melting occurring across wide swaths (extending 500 kilometers inland) of the Greenland ice sheet associated with high geothermal heat flux.
“Huge” near-surface temperature anomalies reaching amplitudes of 800–1000 °C have been spotted.
Geothermal heat flux is suggested to be “an important contributor to the Northeast Greenland Ice Stream in Central Greenland.”
[h=2]Artemieva, 2019[/h][h=3]Lithosphere thermal thickness and geothermal heat[/h][h=3]flux in Greenland from a new thermal isostasy method[/h][h=6]“East Greenland has anomalous crustal structure, thin (50-100 km) lithosphere, high mantle temperatures and a strong GHF [geothermal heat flux] anomaly of >100 mW/m2 centered in the Fjordland region. … High GHF [geothermal heat flux] promotes basal ice melting. The moderately high GHF anomaly (>70 mW/m2 and possibly >90 mW/m2), where intensive ice melting may occur, extends inland below the ice sheet, and its western and northern boundaries cannot be established with the present data coverage on the Moho depth.”[/h][h=6]“In East Greenland this anomalous belt merges with a strong GHF anomaly of >100 mW/m2 in the Fjordland region. The anomaly is associated with a strong lithosphere thinning, possibly to the Moho, that requires advective heat transfer such as above active magma chambers, which would accelerate ice basal melting. The anomaly may extend 500 km inland with possibly a significant contribution of ice melt to the ice-drainage system of Greenland.”[/h][h=6]“The present results also show a huge temperature anomaly in the upper mantle of central-east Greenland (Domain 3) with the amplitude of ca. 800–1000 °Cwith respect to the cratonic stations. Such a temperature anomaly cannot be explained by conductive nor radiogenic mechanisms.”[/h][h=6]“A high heat flux from the Earth’s interior enhanced by a hot fluid percolation above active magma chambers at the edge of the ice cap may have dramatic consequences for ice basal melting in the central-eastern Greenland, and may be an important contributor to the Northeast Greenland Ice Stream in Central Greenland.”[/h]
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[h=6]Image Source: Artemieva, 2019[/h]
 
I wonder how much modeling has been done regarding the gravitational pulls of the orbits of the planets. on the changing geothermal hot spots?
 
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