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Will 5G help or hurt the planet?

Thoreau72

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Thoreau72 said:
Any thoughts on this issue?
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The yearbook answer so far is "According to studies we have so far there is nothing to suggest 5G mmWave posses a significant health risk, but more research is needed to ensure."

Best I can tell no relevant regulation agency in the US has classified 5G mmWave as cancer causing, but we had this argument back in the 2G and 3G days also talking about increases to "RF radiation" that is nothing more than another term for radio waves.

There may be some increased concerns over all this but I doubt it will be near enough to suggest we cannot go to 5G.
 
OrphanSlug said:
The yearbook answer so far is "According to studies we have so far there is nothing to suggest 5G mmWave posses a significant health risk, but more research is needed to ensure."

Best I can tell no relevant regulation agency in the US has classified 5G mmWave as cancer causing, but we had this argument back in the 2G and 3G days also talking about increases to "RF radiation" that is nothing more than another term for radio waves.

There may be some increased concerns over all this but I doubt it will be near enough to suggest we cannot go to 5G.
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Thanks. With 5G compared to 3 and 4G, the frequency changes.

You refer to studies we have so far. Might you be familiar with any of them? I have not been able to find any actual results of such studies. Much speculation, of course, and reassurances that all will be well, but no actual studies. Part of that, I'm sure, is because no such systems exist with which to actually conduct any such tests.

I cannot help but compare it to the case with cigarettes, which were passed out free to US troops in the old days, long before the internal discussions of tobacco companies were discovered. Or the assurances of pharmaceutical companies who brought us the "harmless" opioids.
 
Thoreau72 said:
It seems the telecoms and assorted industries are implying that 5G will be as harmless to us, rather as the tobacco companies told us cigarettes are harmless.

Many scientists say otherwise, and that all biological species will suffer from RF radiation, and that seems logical.

Radio Frequency Radiation (EMF) Threatens Plant and Animal Species with Extinction - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

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5G runs in the 3 to 5 Ghz band, roughly the same area already covered by Wifi,
so if using those frequencies all over the place, would have done something, it already would have happened.
We all live with those frequencies around us every day, and have for almost 20 years.
 
Thoreau72 said:
You refer to studies we have so far. Might you be familiar with any of them?
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That is where it gets fun...

Turns out regulation of "electromagnetic radiation emitting devices" falls under the Food and Drug Association (FDA) and has for sometime now, so I went to that website which references studies without really naming them or who performed them. Similar story from the American Cancer Society.

General internet searching ends up with a plethora of articles on these studies without much link to these studies. Sorry.

If I recall correctly, this was the same story with 4G... 3G... on back. Many talked about it of course, unsure of their sources.
 
longview said:
5G runs in the 3 to 5 Ghz band, roughly the same area already covered by Wifi,
so if using those frequencies all over the place, would have done something, it already would have happened.
We all live with those frequencies around us every day, and have for almost 20 years.
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Yes, and by many standards, we're all crazy as hell with all sorts of strange health conditions. :lol:

But I do understand your point. I have WiFi in my house now, but only for a few years, and I've wondered about what effects it has on my sleep.

I'm too old to really worry about this 5G proposal, but I do wonder about future generations including my children and grandchildren. I don't even have a smartphone, and do not intend to buy one.
 
Thoreau72 said:
It seems the telecoms and assorted industries are implying that 5G will be as harmless to us, rather as the tobacco companies told us cigarettes are harmless.

Many scientists say otherwise, and that all biological species will suffer from RF radiation, and that seems logical.

Radio Frequency Radiation (EMF) Threatens Plant and Animal Species with Extinction - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Any thoughts on this issue?
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I think the problem will present itself when they try to use the upper frequency bands of 5G (20GHz+). Since those frequencies will be affected by moisture, weather, buildings, etc it will require more antennas in an area to transmit the signals. As long as 5G stays in the bands close to 4G (I believe they are going to 6GHz to start with), I think you will see marginal differences.
 
Praxas said:
I think the problem will present itself when they try to use the upper frequency bands of 5G (20GHz+). Since those frequencies will be affected by moisture, weather, buildings, etc it will require more antennas in an area to transmit the signals. As long as 5G stays in the bands close to 4G (I believe they are going to 6GHz to start with), I think you will see marginal differences.
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I guess it's not in that article I linked to, but I'm pretty sure I've read in other articles that the frequencies to be used are above 30 gig.

The Europeans have done more work in studying the effects, especially in Holland. The results are not encouraging. IMO the harmful effects on the human body will be greater than cigarettes were.
 
Thoreau72 said:
It seems the telecoms and assorted industries are implying that 5G will be as harmless to us, rather as the tobacco companies told us cigarettes are harmless.

Many scientists say otherwise, and that all biological species will suffer from RF radiation, and that seems logical.

Radio Frequency Radiation (EMF) Threatens Plant and Animal Species with Extinction - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Any thoughts on this issue?
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Yes, we are being used as guinea pigs. They just don't know what is going to happen. I don't like it, the 5G towers will be many more than exist now.

If I understand what is going on, correctly.
 
OP source is a CT garbage website.


Globalresearch is an "anti-Western" website that can't distinguish between serious analysis and discreditable junk — and so publishes both. It's basically the moonbat equivalent to Infowars or WND.

While some of GlobalResearch's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian concerns, its view of science, economics, and geopolitics is conspiracist — if something goes wrong, the Jews West didit! The site has long been a crank magnet: If you disagree with "Western" sources on 9/11, or HAARP, or vaccines, or H1N1, or climate change, or anything published by the "mainstream" media, then GlobalResearch is guaranteed to have a page you will love...

Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites GlobalResearch, they are almost certainly wrong.

Do not confuse Globalresearch with globalnews.ca, which is a perfectly ordinary news site.
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Globalresearch - RationalWiki
 
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Thoreau72 said:
It seems the telecoms and assorted industries are implying that 5G will be as harmless to us, rather as the tobacco companies told us cigarettes are harmless.

Many scientists say otherwise, and that all biological species will suffer from RF radiation, and that seems logical.

Radio Frequency Radiation (EMF) Threatens Plant and Animal Species with Extinction - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

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I don't believe in Chem Trails either.
 
OscarLevant said:
Yes, we are being used as guinea pigs. They just don't know what is going to happen. I don't like it, the 5G towers will be many more than exist now.

If I understand what is going on, correctly.
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Yes, you understand it I think.

As I understand it, fully built out the system will need small antennae every 100 feet or so, but they won't be towers as we have now, they are small and will be placed on existing structures or very small new structures.

Here is a bit more: "The 5G Rollout Is Absolutely Insane." How Wireless Technologies Affect Human Cells. Dr. Martin Pall - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
 
Thoreau72 said:
Your link discusses gold, not chem trails or 5G, so I'm not really sure of your point.
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Maybe there was a glitch and you were linked to the wrong YouTube.
Who knows?

The link I put ups shows at time mark 9:16, a slide with the title;
"Aircraft spraying nozzles hidden in plain sight"

I didn't watch the whole thing but it was certainly about Chem Trails.

Thoreau72 said:
I too am skeptical of the chem trails theory.
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Chem Trails is total BS - but let's not quibble.
 
Thoreau72 said:
It seems the telecoms and assorted industries are implying that 5G will be as harmless to us, rather as the tobacco companies told us cigarettes are harmless.

Many scientists say otherwise, and that all biological species will suffer from RF radiation, and that seems logical.

Radio Frequency Radiation (EMF) Threatens Plant and Animal Species with Extinction - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Any thoughts on this issue?
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Yes, I am against it, unless they are able to use very, very low levels.

The 28 ghz wavelengths are 1.07 cm. This make a 1/2 wavelenth dipole antenna for it at just over 5 mm. This will most definitely cause electromagnetic interference with an insects abilities, and possibly all life.

I am one that believes part of the bee syndrome is caused by cell phone usage. They started dying off when we implemented nationwide usage, and Europe followed as cell phone development followed there. I have no hard data on this, but it is my belief.

FYI. My first career in life was microwave communications.
 
To add, I'll lay odds that anyone living near such towers will get cataracts earlier than normal.
 
Praxas said:
I think the problem will present itself when they try to use the upper frequency bands of 5G (20GHz+). Since those frequencies will be affected by moisture, weather, buildings, etc it will require more antennas in an area to transmit the signals. As long as 5G stays in the bands close to 4G (I believe they are going to 6GHz to start with), I think you will see marginal differences.
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My understanding is 28 ghz.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I guess it's not in that article I linked to, but I'm pretty sure I've read in other articles that the frequencies to be used are above 30 gig.

The Europeans have done more work in studying the effects, especially in Holland. The results are not encouraging. IMO the harmful effects on the human body will be greater than cigarettes were.
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Post the studies you claim to have read
 
ecofarm said:
OP source is a CT garbage website.


Globalresearch - RationalWiki
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was just thinking that this was all CT stuff and was about to check the source. thanks for saving me the trouble.

There was a similar topic in the Academia section where they were fearmongering about it affecting meteorological equipment, and there's no evidence of that either, plus it just doesn't make any sense if you're familiar with the technology.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Yes, I am against it, unless they are able to use very, very low levels.

The 28 ghz wavelengths are 1.07 cm. This make a 1/2 wavelenth dipole antenna for it at just over 5 mm. This will most definitely cause electromagnetic interference with an insects abilities, and possibly all life.

I am one that believes part of the bee syndrome is caused by cell phone usage. They started dying off when we implemented nationwide usage, and Europe followed as cell phone development followed there. I have no hard data on this, but it is my belief.

FYI. My first career in life was microwave communications.
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I think it was prayer. Christians started claiming to pray more. Thoughts and prayers killed the bees.

I have no hard data on this.
 
Praxas said:
In the beginning they said they would start with 6GHz is what I’ve read.
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Maybe, but the atmospheric opacity and bandwidth they want to use would limit the channels in that region, and 6 ghz is already a pretty active band dedicated to other communications.

The next sweet spot for low atmospheric attenuation to microwave centers at about 35 ghz, and is not very active yet.
 
Thoreau72 said:
It seems the telecoms and assorted industries are implying that 5G will be as harmless to us, rather as the tobacco companies told us cigarettes are harmless.

Many scientists say otherwise, and that all biological species will suffer from RF radiation, and that seems logical.

Radio Frequency Radiation (EMF) Threatens Plant and Animal Species with Extinction - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Any thoughts on this issue?
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The answer is that we don't know because no government will do long-term studies on the effects of these technologies on living systems. We only have partial data, which is what has caused some European countries to act. The telecoms have a lot of power and they profit directly from massive roll outs of new tech.

Basically 5G is a mass experiment and we are the guinea pigs.
 
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