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    Re: Earth just had its second-hottest April on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Proof provided in #37. And btw, to be a liar someone has to know what they're posting is false. I don't think he does.
    You proved nothing. I saw no details or analysis of European electricity rates. You posted some data. He posted some data. You would need to show the differences and explain the differences, perhaps citing actual budgeting statistics, before calling him a LIAR (or calling his data LIEs).

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    Re: Earth just had its second-hottest April on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    You proved nothing. I saw no details or analysis of European electricity rates. You posted some data. He posted some data. You would need to show the differences and explain the differences, perhaps citing actual budgeting statistics, before calling him a LIAR (or calling his data LIEs).
    Interesting to see you doubling down on the "Energy Girl" blog.

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    Re: Earth just had its second-hottest April on record

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    I'm not peer reviewing papers because I'm not qualified in that field to. People on the internet pretending they are qualified to do just that and declare the entire field a liberal conspiracy should be called out and ridiculed.

    And yes, POS is not in any way, shape, or form qualified or educated in climate or atmospheric science and has not spent a day of his life researching it, and neither have you. So both of your conspiracy theory opinions are completely meaningless.
    I have no conspiracy theories. That is your conspiracy theory to play around with..

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    Re: Earth just had its second-hottest April on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Interesting to see you doubling down on the "Energy Girl" blog.

    As you wish. My source is:

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    I think you've totally lost track of your argument. Not surprising. Those blogs can be confusing.

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    Re: Earth just had its second-hottest April on record

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    I think you've totally lost track of your argument. Not surprising. Those blogs can be confusing.
    No such luck for you.

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    Re: Earth just had its second-hottest April on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    After all that, you repeat the same link. Are you going to call Berg a "liar" again, because he used a different link? This thread is about the 2nd Hottest April ever. How do your electricity prices refute this occurrence?

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    Re: Earth just had its second-hottest April on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Media_Truth View Post
    After all that, you repeat the same link. Are you going to call Berg a "liar" again, because he used a different link? This thread is about the 2nd Hottest April ever. How do your electricity prices refute this occurrence?
    He cited faulty stats. I called him on it.
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    Re: Earth just had its second-hottest April on record

    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredUSN View Post
    The earth is 4.5 billion years old.

    139 years isn't even a adequate sample to determine trends.
    Sure, only problem is - did you ever try to check how many of those 4.5 billion years were livable for humans?

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    Re: Earth just had its second-hottest April on record

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    So what action do we take ?
    We reduce GHG emissions. That basically means:

    • Apply carbon taxes
    • Do more R&D on sustainable energy supplies and GHG mitigation (e.g. CO2 capture)
    • Fix the grid to make it more efficient (and while we're at it, more robust)
    • Enhance public transportation, human-powered vehicles and electric vehicle charging
    • Help developing nations as well as Brazil, India and China switch to sustainable energy instead of building fossil fuel infrastructure
    • Realize that emitting huge amounts of GHGs is not sustainable and has consequences


    What empirical proof is there it will work ?
    We know carbon taxes will work.
    Does a Carbon Tax Work? Ask British Columbia - The New York Times

    Carbon capture is in early stages. We know it can't single-handedly fix the problems, but it might help.

    We know that sustainable energy works, and its main challenges.

    We know that revising transportation can be efficient and effective.

    We also know that doing nothing will cause massive problems in the not-too-distant future.


    What is this 'ideal' temperature target and why are todays temperatures somehow all wrong?
    sigh

    The planet doesn't have a thermostat. It's not that there is a One True Temperature that it's supposed to be at. The issue is that the rapid rise in temperatures is causing issues, and locking in further warming, in time scales that doesn't give humans or other wildlife much time to adjust.

    That said, we'd be in much better shape if CO2 levels had stayed around 200ppm.

    As to what's wrong? Here's a highly condensed and nowhere near complete list:
    • Sea levels are rising rapidly, which is a huge threat to coastal areas, where 40% of the world's population lives
    • Higher temperatures means more heat waves, more forest fires, more deforestation, more desertification
    • Higher temperatures increases water vapor in the atmosphere, which means more extreme weather events
    • Wildlife populations are negatively impacted by higher temperatures (including oceans warming and becoming more acidic)
    • Higher temperatures puts strains on both agricultural capacity and fresh water supplies
    • Global temperatures are already reaching tipping points that will lock in decades, if not centuries, of additional warming (e.g. melting permafrost will result in massive amounts of carbon and methane releases into the atmosphere)


    How many in the third world should be denied affordable electrification in order to achieve it ?
    Ideally, none. That's why we should try to ensure that they construct a sustainable energy generation infrastructure.


    Why aren't you outside the Chinese and Indian embassies protesting their emissions ?
    India has one of the most aggressive GHG targets in the world. China also has aggressive targets. There is also lots of international pressure already put on those nations.

    While China and India definitely have more work to do, it should be obvious that right now it's the government of the United States that needs to get its act in gear.


    If extra CO2 is so bad why is the planet actually 'greening' as a consequence of it ?
    The greening is mostly due to human activity, notably increased agriculture and forest conservation programs in China.
    Human Activity in China and India Dominates the Greening of Earth | NASA


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    Then maybe you should show it, by caring about the impacts of climate change on our species -- and millions of other species as well.
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    Re: Earth just had its second-hottest April on record

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    We reduce GHG emissions. That basically means:

    • Apply carbon taxes
    • Do more R&D on sustainable energy supplies and GHG mitigation (e.g. CO2 capture)
    • Fix the grid to make it more efficient (and while we're at it, more robust)
    • Enhance public transportation, human-powered vehicles and electric vehicle charging
    • Help developing nations as well as Brazil, India and China switch to sustainable energy instead of building fossil fuel infrastructure
    • Realize that emitting huge amounts of GHGs is not sustainable and has consequences
    And what empirical proof is there this would make the slightest difference ?

    We know carbon taxes will work.
    Only for the governments that promote them and this agenda. All it will do will make us all poorer as it is already has via rising energy poverty


    sigh

    The planet doesn't have a thermostat. It's not that there is a One True Temperature that it's supposed to be at. The issue is that the rapid rise in temperatures is causing issues, and locking in further warming, in time scales that doesn't give humans or other wildlife much time to adjust.

    That said, we'd be in much better shape if CO2 levels had stayed around 200ppm.
    The paleoclimatic record clearly shows that colder is most certainly NOT better. And how on Earth do you think 200PPM would be ideal or remotely achievable unless you are a lover of famine ?


    As to what's wrong? Here's a highly condensed and nowhere near complete list:
    • Sea levels are rising rapidly, which is a huge threat to coastal areas, where 40% of the world's population lives
    • Higher temperatures means more heat waves, more forest fires, more deforestation, more desertification
    • Higher temperatures increases water vapor in the atmosphere, which means more extreme weather events
    • Wildlife populations are negatively impacted by higher temperatures (including oceans warming and becoming more acidic)
    • Higher temperatures puts strains on both agricultural capacity and fresh water supplies
    • Global temperatures are already reaching tipping points that will lock in decades, if not centuries, of additional warming (e.g. melting permafrost will result in massive amounts of carbon and methane releases into the atmosphere)
    So prove these things haven't happened over previous even warmer periods over recent millennia ? The instrumental record is nowhere near long enough to be making such sweeping pronouncements of impending doom on any of these points

    Ideally, none. That's why we should try to ensure that they construct a sustainable energy generation infrastructure.
    So meanwhile they have to keep living wretched impoverished lives until your 'sustainable' becomes affordable which will be never for them

    India has one of the most aggressive GHG targets in the world. China also has aggressive targets. There is also lots of international pressure already put on those nations.

    While China and India definitely have more work to do, it should be obvious that right now it's the government of the United States that needs to get its act in gear.
    BS. These countries are currently the biggest polluters in the world as any view from space will easily confirm. I've seen it first hand too

    The greening is mostly due to human activity, notably increased agriculture and forest conservation programs in China.
    Human Activity in China and India Dominates the Greening of Earth | NASA
    Much of the semi desert is greening too. Why is any of this a bad thing unless you hate our species and want to see it fail ?

    Deserts 'greening' from rising CO2 - CSIRO
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