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Deniers are about to lose the Argument

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...as if they ever had one.

Extraordinary thinning’ of ice sheets revealed deep inside Antarctica

“From a standing start in the 1990s, thinning has spread inland progressively over the past 25 years – that is rapid in glaciological terms,” said Prof Andy Shepherd, of Leeds University in the UK, who led the study. “The speed of drawing down ice from an ice sheet used to be spoken of in geological timescales, but that has now been replaced by people’s lifetimes.”

He said the thinning of some ice streams had extended 300 miles inland along their 600-mile length. “More than 50% of the Pine Island and Thwaites glacier basins have been affected by thinning in the past 25 years. We are past halfway and that is a worry.”

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Separate research published in January found that ice loss from the entire Antarctic continent had increased six-fold since the 1980s, with the biggest losses in the west. The new study indicates West Antarctica has caused 5mm of sea level rise since 1992, consistent with the January study’s findings.
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"About to lose"? LOL, they lost a long time ago. You have to remember, this is not about facts or rationality any more. It's about the power of fossil fuel propaganda and the poor science education in the American public school system.

The deniers don't think they lost when they did, and they still won't, no matter what facts or observations you throw at them. Good luck trying.
 
ataraxia said:
"About to lose"? LOL, they lost a long time ago. You have to remember, this is not about facts or rationality any more. It's about the power of fossil fuel propaganda and the poor science education in the American public school system.

The deniers don't think they lost when they did, and they still won't, no matter what facts or observations you throw at them. Good luck trying.
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That brings up a good point. When is refusing to acknowledge that which is easily observable considered lying?
 
calamity said:
That brings up a good point. When is refusing to acknowledge that which is easily observable considered lying?
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I don’t think that’s a very simple question. I am not sure many of them are deliberately lying, although I am sure a few of them are. The real problem may be all sorts of thorny psychological and sociological issues of denial, suppression, social influence and groupthink, racism and bigotry, propaganda, personality disorders, PTSD from the Cold War, etc...

I really do think there is a large part of this country in the throes of a serious case of narcissism. It seems they are willing to jeopardize even their own children and grandchildren‘s future for a very greedy and short sighted interest in cheap oil and gas.

Such issues are beyond my pay grade. This country needs professional help at this point. The problem is, like most people who need professional help, they refuse to admit there is even a problem and seek help. That’s why one of the most difficult steps in alcoholics anonymous is getting people to admit they even have a problem.
 
calamity said:
...as if they ever had one.

extraordinary thinning’ of ice sheets revealed deep inside antarctica
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President 'has four years to save earth'
us must take the lead to avert eco-disaster!
Robin McKie in New York
The Observer, Saturday 17 January 2009
barack Obama has only four years to save the world. That is the stark assessment of NASA scientist and leading climate expert Jim Hansen who last week warned only urgent action by the new President could halt the devastating climate change that now threatens the Earth. Crucially, that action will have to be taken within Obama's first administration, he added.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
 
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Wayne Jr said:
President 'has four years to save earth'
us must take the lead to avert eco-disaster!
Robin McKie in New York
The Observer, Saturday 17 January 2009
barack Obama has only four years to save the world. That is the stark assessment of NASA scientist and leading climate expert Jim Hansen who last week warned only urgent action by the new President could halt the devastating climate change that now threatens the Earth. Crucially, that action will have to be taken within Obama's first administration, he added.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
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Ecologically speaking, it kind of is. Just saying.
 
calamity said:
Ecologically speaking, it kind of is. Just saying.
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Well, then we're all dead anyway, so I'm not going to worry about it. Obama was supposed to save the world, and he didn't. So that's it everyone, enjoy your time while you have it. I for one welcome global warming so we can get some archaeology teams to the polls and learn about the civilizations we can already prove once lived there. I'm sure you're going to have a blog ready to explain how those people went extinct even though we won't find vehicles, factories, plastics, or oil products. I'm sure whatever government they had in place tried to guilt them into a tax for their version of a carbon footprint, however.

As for ocean levels rising....look, that's just going to kill Liberal/Democrat cities. I'm the last person who's ever going to cry about fewer Liberal/Democrats in the world.

Fewer Liberals and more History Channel content. Man that just makes me want to buy an SUV and leave it on 24/7.
 
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Wayne Jr said:
Well, then we're all dead anyway, so I'm not going to worry about it. Obama was supposed to save the world, and he didn't. So that's it everyone, enjoy your time while you have it. I for one welcome global warming so we can get some archaeology teams to the polls and learn about the civilizations we can already prove once lived there. I'm sure you're going to have a blog ready to explain how those people went extinct even though we won't find vehicles, factories, plastics, or oil products. I'm sure whatever government they had in place tried to guilt them into a tax for their version of a carbon footprint, however.

As for ocean levels rising....look, that's just going to kill Liberal/Democrat cities. I'm the last person who's ever going to cry about fewer Liberal/Democrats in the world.

Fewer Liberals and more History Channel content. Man that just makes me want to buy an SUV and leave it on 24/7.
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lol...you can kiss the bottoms of glorious Mississippi and Louisiana goodbye, and the panhandle of Florida too.

Come to think of it. You may have a point.
 
Once the stuff hits the fan, they will whine....well why didn't you convince us earlier....:roll:
 
Wayne Jr said:
President 'has four years to save earth'
us must take the lead to avert eco-disaster!
Robin McKie in New York
The Observer, Saturday 17 January 2009
barack Obama has only four years to save the world. That is the stark assessment of NASA scientist and leading climate expert Jim Hansen who last week warned only urgent action by the new President could halt the devastating climate change that now threatens the Earth. Crucially, that action will have to be taken within Obama's first administration, he added.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
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Exactly. Doomsayers have been saying the same thing for decades, and every time their predicted deadline passes, they wait a bit and then predict the same thing all over again.
 
calamity said:
...as if they ever had one.

Extraordinary thinning’ of ice sheets revealed deep inside Antarctica
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From your link, in places the Antartica has lost over 100 meters of ice. That's about the length of a football field. Can you imagine?

The warming of the Southern Ocean is resulting in glaciers sliding into the sea increasingly rapidly, with ice now being lost five times faster than in the 1990s. The West Antarctic ice sheet was stable in 1992 but up to a quarter of its expanse is now thinning. More than 100 metres of ice thickness has been lost in the worst-hit places.
 
Media_Truth said:
From your link, in places the Antartica has lost over 100 meters of ice. That's about the length of a football field. Can you imagine?

The warming of the Southern Ocean is resulting in glaciers sliding into the sea increasingly rapidly, with ice now being lost five times faster than in the 1990s. The West Antarctic ice sheet was stable in 1992 but up to a quarter of its expanse is now thinning. More than 100 metres of ice thickness has been lost in the worst-hit places.
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including both endzones.
 
beefheart said:
Once the stuff hits the fan, they will whine....well why didn't you convince us earlier....:roll:
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Actually no, that’s not what’s going to happen. They are going to blame it on the godless liberals. :lamo
 
No one denies volcanoes.

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[h=1]Scientists discover 91 volcanoes below Antarctic ice sheet[/h][FONT=&quot]From The Guardian This is in addition to 47 already known about and eruption would melt more ice in region affected by climate change This is in addition to 47 already known about and eruption would melt more ice in region affected by climate change Robin McKie Saturday 12 August 2017 18.11 EDT Last modified…
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August 14, 2017 in Antarctic.
 
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[h=1]Volcanic heat source discovered under Pine Island Glacier, the poster child for Antarctic melting[/h][FONT=&quot][heat source] Plays critical role in movement, melting Via Eurekalert KINGSTON, R.I. — June 22, 2018 — A researcher from the University of Rhode Island’s Graduate School of Oceanography and five other scientists have discovered an active volcanic heat source beneath the Pine Island Glacier in Antarctica. The discovery and other findings, which are critical…
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June 26, 2018 in Antarctic.
 
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[h=1]New map of Antarctic geothermal heat suggests Steig & Mann 2009 weren’t measuring ‘global warming’[/h][FONT=&quot]This is quite interesting. Remember the claim in on the front cover of Nature in 2009 by Steig and Mann that Antarctica was warming, thanks to that “special Mannian PCA math sauce” that was applied to air temperature data to smear surface temperature trends over the entire continent? It was dashed by climate skeptics who…
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November 15, 2017 in Antarctic.
 
Ooo neato pixies
 
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Say this isn't so !!!! Now we're going to have to come up with some theory as to how to connect human caused CO2 activity with volcanic hot spots under West Antarctica.
 
If this supposed ice loss is due to climate change then how did that happen? The temperatures there never get over freezing, and the ocean hasn't warmed. The authors of this paper appear to have forgotten that the region is a geothermal hot spot.

Loss of West Antarctic ice has been a topic for 50 years or more. Besides which, like the Arctic, we haven't observed the area long enough to know what's normal.
 
Jack Hays said:
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[h=1]New map of Antarctic geothermal heat suggests Steig & Mann 2009 weren’t measuring ‘global warming’[/h][FONT="][FONT=inherit]This is quite interesting. Remember the claim in on the front cover of Nature in 2009 by Steig and Mann that Antarctica was warming, thanks to that “special Mannian PCA math sauce” that was applied to air temperature data to smear surface temperature trends over the entire continent? It was dashed by climate skeptics who…[/FONT]
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[URL="https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/15/new-map-of-antarctic-geothermal-heat-suggests-steig-mann-2009-werent-measuring-global-warming/"]November 15, 2017[/URL] in Antarctic.
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Yes, and the increased volcanic thermal activity will cause more melt.
 
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