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What The Doomsayers Want

PoS

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We've all heard the loud talking from the chicken littles who blame humans as the cause for all the so-called CO2 rise thats in the atmosphere, but very little admittance from the doomsayers as to what should be done about it. Well, here is what the IPCC is demanding:

We have 12 years to limit climate change catastrophe, warns UN | Environment | The Guardian

The IPCC maps out four pathways to achieve 1.5C, with different combinations of land use and technological change. Reforestation is essential to all of them as are shifts to electric transport systems and greater adoption of carbon capture technology.
Carbon pollution would have to be cut by 45% by 2030 – compared with a 20% cut under the 2C pathway – and come down to zero by 2050, compared with 2075 for 2C. This would require carbon prices that are three to four times higher than for a 2C target. But the costs of doing nothing would be far higher.
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Yup, the IPCC is obsessed with maintaining a 1.5C rise at the maximum, and squarely puts the blame on humanity (even though there is no definite proof that we are causing a slight rise in temp, nor is there proof that more severe weather or mass extinction will happen).

In order to get to specifics, here is an article from the BBC on how to achieve a net zero carbon footprint in the UK.

Extinction Rebellion: What do they want and is it realistic? - BBC News

Gas boilers across the UK would have to be replaced with electricity, and you'd need to massively ramp up renewable energy, on a scale not yet seen, to meet this extra demand.
Researchers at Zero Carbon Britain suggested that if the UK wanted to get to net zero by 2030, Britain would need to get about 130 gigawatts of electricity from wind, meaning around 13,000 extra wind turbines off shore. This would take up an area twice the size of Wales. The UK would also need about 7 gigwatts of onshore wind, meaning another 3,500 turbines.

There would also have to be significant dietary changes, with people cutting back on meat and dairy.

Flying would have to be restricted. Severely.

"You could have an air flight every couple of years, but we can't allow the world to continue flying for hen parties in New York every couple of weeks," said Paul Allen who co-ordinates the Zero Carbon Britain research project.

"The numbers don't stack up. We can't do this, we have to be honest with ourselves."
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So there you go:

- Every available space has to be allocated for wind farms (how this can be reconciled with reforestation is not explained)
- No more cars with fossil fuels.
- You are allowed to take a flight on an airliner once every two years
- You will be forced to eat a mainly vegetarian diet
- No mention about how to get China, India or any other countries to adopt this (War? Economic sanctions?)

There you have it, folks. This is the world they want you to live in (even though all this doomsday stuff is unproven).
 
or you just don't want to belve humanity is affecting the climate because that would cost you and you want to rally support by getting people to belve it will cost them a lot if they acept man made global warming as true
 
blarg said:
or you just don't want to belve humanity is affecting the climate because that would cost you and you want to rally support by getting people to belve it will cost them a lot if they acept man made global warming as true
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I havent seen any facts that point out to an inevitable rise in world temp, nor do I see any problems if it does. On the other hand, if you have no issues living with these kinds of new rules, be my guest.
 
PoS said:
I havent seen any facts that point out to an inevitable rise in world temp, nor do I see any problems if it does. On the other hand, if you have no issues living with these kinds of new rules, be my guest.
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no problems with changing weather rising sea levels mass extinction and mass migrations and more intense weather related disasters? are you blind?


you seem to be dishonest what with this crap you posted



Every available space has to be allocated for wind farms (how this can be reconciled with reforestation is not explained)
- No more cars with fossil fuels.
- You are allowed to take a flight on an airliner once every two years
- You will be forced to eat a mainly vegetarian diet
 
blarg said:
no problems with changing weather rising sea levels mass extinction and mass migrations and more intense weather related disasters? are you blind?


you seem to be dishonest what with this crap you posted



Every available space has to be allocated for wind farms (how this can be reconciled with reforestation is not explained)
- No more cars with fossil fuels.
- You are allowed to take a flight on an airliner once every two years
- You will be forced to eat a mainly vegetarian diet
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Those are based on direct quotes from the article, which I quoted and you clearly didnt even read. Try again.

As far as proof of changing sea levels and all your other doomsday stuff, show me a link that proves its humans who are behind it. I'm waiting.
 
Even if the doomsday reasonable predictions are true - an IF I believe is false - the cure is far worse. Sort of like claiming the cure for a bad headache is to shoot yourself in the head.
 
PoS said:
Those are based on direct quotes from the article, which I quoted and you clearly didnt even read. Try again.

As far as proof of changing sea levels and all your other doomsday stuff, show me a link that proves its humans who are behind it. I'm waiting.
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Sea levels rise and fall, as does most land. For the known history of the human race when it had evolved to organizing permanent structure cities, the way they dealt with dangers from the sea is to build dikes and/seawall - both for rising water or hurricanes - or by relocating to higher ground.

The climate change Chicken Littles sob, rant and demand that instead the human race must be forced to revert to a pre-industrial society for which you will be gardening in the sun in a garden or field or you starve to death, and you will be wearing multiple layers of clothing all winter in basements and other underground locations - or migrate South for the winter to work in fields and gardens there, living in a tent you made on a hand operated spinning wheel. That is their only solution possible.

I prefer building dikes and relocating for areas where dikes wouldn't work.
 
Accepting the scientific fact that mankind has a serious effect on the atmosphere would be at odds with your libertarian beliefs that the invisible hand of the market will magically fix everything, so you pretend you're an expert on the subject and make **** up and whine about scientific facts. You've really gone off the deep end with the rest of the nutters.

You don't believe this because you're highly informed and actively involved in the science, it's purely so you can continue believing whatever the hell you want to believe. Some people are just that stupid and arrogant apparently.
 
joko104 said:
~ The climate change Chicken Littles sob, rant and demand that instead the human race must be forced to revert to a pre-industrial society for which you will be gardening in the sun in a garden or field or you starve to death, and you will be wearing multiple layers of clothing all winter in basements and other underground locations - or migrate South for the winter to work in fields and gardens there, living in a tent you made on a hand operated spinning wheel. That is their only solution possible ~
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No it's not. More efficient batteries are being developed and used, more efficient houses developed and used and several aircraft companies have been looking at alternative power supplies. Train networks are taking people faster and more cheaply.

Besides, the "chicken little" ad hominem is countered by the "ostrich, head in the sand" approach. Somewhere in the middle is the future.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Accepting the scientific fact that mankind has a serious effect on the atmosphere would be at odds with your libertarian beliefs that the invisible hand of the market will magically fix everything, so you pretend you're an expert on the subject and make **** up and whine about scientific facts. You've really gone off the deep end with the rest of the nutters.

You don't believe this because you're highly informed and actively involved in the science, it's purely so you can continue believing whatever the hell you want to believe. Some people are just that stupid and arrogant apparently.
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Lol, that's really all it is, idealogues who are desperately trying to cling to their nonsense despite it being contradicted by reality.
 
Small modular THORIUM reactors can help a great deal.
A very safe and reliable source of electricity, LOTS of it.
That is all I am saying.

Oh by the way, electric commercial aircraft will be a reality in about ten years.
Maybe not for transoceanic use but for commuter hops, most definitely.
And in ten years electric cars will most likely reach parity with gas machines, and coal and gas generated electric MIGHT be on the wane, if we are willing to explore great ideas like THORIUM.
China and India are already doing it.
 
PoS said:
So there you go:

- Every available space has to be allocated for wind farms (how this can be reconciled with reforestation is not explained)
- No more cars with fossil fuels.
- You are allowed to take a flight on an airliner once every two years
- You will be forced to eat a mainly vegetarian diet
- No mention about how to get China, India or any other countries to adopt this (War? Economic sanctions?)

There you have it, folks. This is the world they want you to live in (even though all this doomsday stuff is unproven).
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These nuts would be more than happy to tie a touniquet around the collective throat of humanity in order to staunch some imagined future nosebleed.

Its all about punishing 'that great capitalist satan' the USA. If there were any legitimacy to these protests then where were the demonstrators outside the Chinese and Indian embassies worldwide ?

Nuff said :wink:
 
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blarg said:
no problems with changing weather rising sea levels mass extinction and mass migrations and more intense weather related disasters? are you blind?
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Todays climate is well within the natural variability of recent millennia as ice core data from both poles demonstrate . The sky isn't falling but its almost as if you want it to nonetheless

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RabidAlpaca said:
Accepting the scientific fact that mankind has a serious effect on the atmosphere would be at odds with your libertarian beliefs that the invisible hand of the market will magically fix everything, so you pretend you're an expert on the subject and make **** up and whine about scientific facts. You've really gone off the deep end with the rest of the nutters.

You don't believe this because you're highly informed and actively involved in the science, it's purely so you can continue believing whatever the hell you want to believe. Some people are just that stupid and arrogant apparently.
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Why do you have to resort to ad homs when someone disagrees with you? For the record science is not certain there will be a global catastrophe. The only thing we know for sure is a rise of 1C in world average temp, which took place over decades. The other stories like polar bears dying out because of CC is BS.

Infinite Chaos said:
No it's not. More efficient batteries are being developed and used, more efficient houses developed and used and several aircraft companies have been looking at alternative power supplies. Train networks are taking people faster and more cheaply.
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Even with today's technology, it wont be enough. Heck, people in your own country are estimating they have to build wind farms twice the size of Wales, so where exactly are they going to place it at?

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Small modular THORIUM reactors can help a great deal.
A very safe and reliable source of electricity, LOTS of it.
That is all I am saying.

Oh by the way, electric commercial aircraft will be a reality in about ten years.
Maybe not for transoceanic use but for commuter hops, most definitely.
And in ten years electric cars will most likely reach parity with gas machines, and coal and gas generated electric MIGHT be on the wane, if we are willing to explore great ideas like THORIUM.
China and India are already doing it.
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Electric aircraft in 10 years? Not likely.

Thorium plants are actually a good idea, but lots of luck in convincing the nutty environmentalists that since they immediately think any form of nuclear power is bad and must be banned. ;)
 
The push for green energy is also an utter failure. Germany is a huge example of this- if they cant do it, how would the rest of the world fare if we stick to what the doomsayers want?

Germany’s Shift to Green Power Stalls, Despite Huge Investments - The New York Times

Germany has spent an estimated 189 billion euros, or about $222 billion, since 2000 on renewable energy subsidies. But emissions have been stuck at roughly 2009 levels, and rose last year, as coal-fired plants fill a void left by Germany’s decision to abandon nuclear power. That has raised questions — and anger — over a program meant to make the country’s power sector greener.
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PoS said:
We've all heard the loud talking from the chicken littles who blame humans as the cause for all the so-called CO2 rise thats in the atmosphere, but very little admittance from the doomsayers as to what should be done about it. Well, here is what the IPCC is demanding:

We have 12 years to limit climate change catastrophe, warns UN | Environment | The Guardian


Yup, the IPCC is obsessed with maintaining a 1.5C rise at the maximum, and squarely puts the blame on humanity (even though there is no definite proof that we are causing a slight rise in temp, nor is there proof that more severe weather or mass extinction will happen).

In order to get to specifics, here is an article from the BBC on how to achieve a net zero carbon footprint in the UK.

Extinction Rebellion: What do they want and is it realistic? - BBC News



So there you go:

- Every available space has to be allocated for wind farms (how this can be reconciled with reforestation is not explained)
- No more cars with fossil fuels.
- You are allowed to take a flight on an airliner once every two years
- You will be forced to eat a mainly vegetarian diet
- No mention about how to get China, India or any other countries to adopt this (War? Economic sanctions?)

There you have it, folks. This is the world they want you to live in (even though all this doomsday stuff is unproven).
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It is you deniers that are doomsayers. For example that you claim that "Every available space has to be allocated for wind farms (how this can be reconciled with reforestation is not explained)". Even if your own link states that most of the wind farms will be off shore, second that the off shore wind farms represent twice the size of Wales that is the same as 20 percent the size of the the entire UK. There UK also is seven times more densely populated than the US.

You also have Denmark that already get 40 percent of their electricy from windpower and 68 percent from renewables.

As Wind Turned Down A Notch, Solar Soared -- 2018 Renewable Energy Report Denmark | CleanTechnica

As Wind Turned Down A Notch, Solar Soared -- 2018 Renewable Energy Report Denmark | CleanTechnica

That last decades of doomsday propaganda from the deniers and delayes have lead to that countries like the US doesn't even have a carbon tax. Beause the propagande claim it will lead to financial ruin.

Even if for example Sweden have had a carbon tax since 1995 while at the same time rank second on best country for business list.

How Sweden Became the World’s Most Sustainable Country: Top 5 Reasons - The ADEC Innovations Blog

https://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/#tab:overall
 
Bergslagstroll said:
It is you deniers that are doomsayers. For example that you claim that "Every available space has to be allocated for wind farms (how this can be reconciled with reforestation is not explained)". Even if your own link states that most of the wind farms will be off shore, second that the off shore wind farms represent twice the size of Wales that is the same as 20 percent the size of the the entire UK. There UK also is seven times more densely populated than the US.
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So? Do you know how much it will cost to build an offshore platform of windfarms twice the size of Wales in the middle of the sea? How are they going to maintain it?

You didnt think this through, did you? :lol:
 
Reality is, man is ruining the earth and there is nothing he can do to stop it because he is too greedy/selfish/self absorbed/short-sighted to change his ways...
 
blarg said:
or you just don't want to belve humanity is affecting the climate because that would cost you and you want to rally support by getting people to belve it will cost them a lot if they acept man made global warming as true
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Do you understand the power of Mother Nature vs. the power of CO2 forcing? You should learn real science and quantification of such energy forces.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Small modular THORIUM reactors can help a great deal.
A very safe and reliable source of electricity, LOTS of it.
That is all I am saying.

Oh by the way, electric commercial aircraft will be a reality in about ten years.
Maybe not for transoceanic use but for commuter hops, most definitely.
And in ten years electric cars will most likely reach parity with gas machines, and coal and gas generated electric MIGHT be on the wane, if we are willing to explore great ideas like THORIUM.
China and India are already doing it.
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Are there any commercial thorium power reactors?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Do you understand the power of Mother Nature vs. the power of CO2 forcing? You should learn real science and quantification of such energy forces.
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nature seems to allow different gases to hold on to warmth from sunlight humans can change the world nature dosent care
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Accepting the scientific fact that mankind has a serious effect on the atmosphere would be at odds with your libertarian beliefs that the invisible hand of the market will magically fix everything, so you pretend you're an expert on the subject and make **** up and whine about scientific facts. You've really gone off the deep end with the rest of the nutters.

You don't believe this because you're highly informed and actively involved in the science, it's purely so you can continue believing whatever the hell you want to believe. Some people are just that stupid and arrogant apparently.
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TrueScotsman said:
Lol, that's really all it is, idealogues who are desperately trying to cling to their nonsense despite it being contradicted by reality.
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Henrik Svensmark: Force Majeure – The Sun’s Role In Climate Change (PDF)
 
PoS said:
We've all heard the loud talking from the chicken littles who blame humans as the cause for all the so-called CO2 rise thats in the atmosphere, but very little admittance from the doomsayers as to what should be done about it. Well, here is what the IPCC is demanding:

We have 12 years to limit climate change catastrophe, warns UN | Environment | The Guardian


Yup, the IPCC is obsessed with maintaining a 1.5C rise at the maximum, and squarely puts the blame on humanity (even though there is no definite proof that we are causing a slight rise in temp, nor is there proof that more severe weather or mass extinction will happen).

In order to get to specifics, here is an article from the BBC on how to achieve a net zero carbon footprint in the UK.

Extinction Rebellion: What do they want and is it realistic? - BBC News



So there you go:

- Every available space has to be allocated for wind farms (how this can be reconciled with reforestation is not explained)
- No more cars with fossil fuels.
- You are allowed to take a flight on an airliner once every two years
- You will be forced to eat a mainly vegetarian diet
- No mention about how to get China, India or any other countries to adopt this (War? Economic sanctions?)

There you have it, folks. This is the world they want you to live in (even though all this doomsday stuff is unproven).
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PoS said:
We've all heard the loud talking from the chicken littles who blame humans as the cause for all the so-called CO2 rise thats in the atmosphere, but very little admittance from the doomsayers as to what should be done about it. Well, here is what the IPCC is demanding:

We have 12 years to limit climate change catastrophe, warns UN | Environment | The Guardian


Yup, the IPCC is obsessed with maintaining a 1.5C rise at the maximum, and squarely puts the blame on humanity (even though there is no definite proof that we are causing a slight rise in temp, nor is there proof that more severe weather or mass extinction will happen).

In order to get to specifics, here is an article from the BBC on how to achieve a net zero carbon footprint in the UK.

Extinction Rebellion: What do they want and is it realistic? - BBC News



So there you go:

- Every available space has to be allocated for wind farms (how this can be reconciled with reforestation is not explained)
- No more cars with fossil fuels.
- You are allowed to take a flight on an airliner once every two years
- You will be forced to eat a mainly vegetarian diet
- No mention about how to get China, India or any other countries to adopt this (War? Economic sanctions?)

There you have it, folks. This is the world they want you to live in (even though all this doomsday stuff is unproven).
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